Depressed Weeks After MDMA Use

[djbuddha55]

Hey, this is my first post here.

Thought I'd mention swim suffers from ADHDI, OCD, Seasonal Affective Disorder, and used to have social anxiety
So his neuro-chemistry is a bit different than normal.

He took E or MDMA , about once every week or two weeks for over a month. He had some good highs but near the end of my his use he got these really uncomfortable highs where he pretty much wanted to die, he felt nice and high, but extremely uncomfortable, unmotivated and out of energy, he said wanted to go home and sleep the whole time. he also get bad week long hangovers where hes in a really low mood and anxious.
The last time he took it, he didn't get high, he got extremely depressed and speedy, then a few hours later he was high (not that high) for about half an hour to an hour, then he went back down. The first few days after swim doesn't really remember because he was sick, but the next week I got smashed and then I remember being hungover and felt the E crash more, and as usual felt really bad and didnt want to go out or do anything. This usually goes away for him in about a week, then hed go take some E again. (lol)

But this time, after that bizzare high, it has been 3 weeks and he still feels depleted of motivation, energy, he feels agitated and he doens't look forward to doing things he used to.


He thinks it is improving though.
Also he had neck problems from Ecstasy a while back, and it took over a month to get better, then sometimes it was still there when he ran, then it was gone.
Can ecstasy recovery be like that mentally too?

 

[Rio Fantastic]

I'd suggest quitting ALL drugs (yes, that includes weed), try and force yourself to excercise and just wait. If you're seeing improvements now then it's likely you'll fully recover eventually.

 

[eLW]

Thought I'd mention I suffer from ADHDI, OCD, Seasonal Affective Disorder, and used to have social anxiety
So my neuro-chemistry is a bit different than normal.
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Quit drugs or suffer..

 

[somedud]

Listen bro, your brain right now is basically saying "WTF man, I need some rest". You've basically put a strain on your brain by throwing MDMA into your system on too of your issues you mentioned. The cognitive problems are probably related to serotonin, since you drained quite a bit of it and I have sources saying it inhibits the TPH releas which can take 1-3 months to recover from, basically getting your serotonin up to par. To sum it up, youve basically given your brain the flu, it needs time and lots of sleep to recover, so clearly your cognition isn't going to be as sharp. That's like trying to go running when you have a chest cold and being surprised you can run to your premorbid standards.

I can get into the real nitty gritty of what's going down with your brain right now, but that might freak you out. From what I've gathered, you havnt done any serious/permanent damage with that type of use, as you never mentioned redosing, or even rolling very weekend for a long time.

Basically treat it like the flu, but with the brain it takes a bit of time to recover from, so instead of cough syrup, eat healthly, run 5 times weekly, maybe take 5HTP for a week or two, a good multi vitamin, b vitamin complex wouldn't hurt and probably some tyrosine if you need a bit of motivation, and lots of sleep, 8 hours minimum and I'll be surprised if you don't feel back to yourself in 1-2 months time.

Word from the wise, your brain is easy to trick, and can easily trick you back i.e. the worst thing you can do right now is stress about it, regret it, or try and figure out "why" because that'll lead to some nasty negative neural connections that only get stronger the longer you stimulate them, which can be a worse of a problem for you than the minor "poke" you did to your brain, believe me.

Read aswell, and were a daily journal of your progress, and every little detail of your day at night. Trust me on this one, I've be there and back.

Cheers, you'll be fine, just chillllllllllll, and don't go reading up to much on it, like I said your brain is easy to trick and can play mean back.

Hope this helps.

Edit: Honestly I don't think you should go to your drug specialty appointment thing, I can gaurentee you that people on these forums know a good 5 times more info on mdxx related issues than any psychiatrist, neurologist or docter. I can tell you this from experience, I've been to them all. They're just going to either scare you, or diagnose you with something thinking it's all in your head, these people can be quite arrogant when it comes to such a touchy drug bc there's no conclussive studies to go by. For an example, my psychiatrist told memit eats holes in your brain, and I said that study was discredited a longgggg time ago and basically laughed, and she was like " no no no, this is in our very advanced study portfolios that only doctors can access."

 

[Lazyscience]

fucking anxiety and depression is a bitch and you never know what to do about it

 

[somedud]

"Effects on Tryptophan Hydroxylase
-Administration of MDMA results in irreversible inhibition of TPH, suspected time to replenish TPH is 1-3 months
-Not directly caused by MDMA but rather from redox/quinone metabolites
-MDMA increases ROS and nitric oxide, nitric oxide itself inhibits TPH"

 

[djbuddha55]

"suspected time to replenish TPH is 1-3 months

Would a daily combination of 5htp and vitamin b6 be okay to keep me going untill that time? Or would it hinder the recovery. I took it today and it lifted me out of the depression for a few hours, I felt the same kind of body buzz as E.

Also I get the opportunity to smoke weed regularly, and have been for about a year. So it wont be too easy for me to stop that.
How much would smoking weed hurt the recovery?

 

[somedud]

Would a daily combination of 5htp and vitamin b6 be okay to keep me going untill that time? Or would it hinder the recovery. I took it today and it lifted me out of the depression for a few hours, I felt the same kind of body buzz as E.

Also I get the opportunity to smoke weed regularly, and have been for about a year. So it wont be too easy for me to stop that.
How much would smoking weed hurt the recovery?

Too be honest, I'm on a neuroreplete program which has tons of 5 HTP it helps I suppose, it could help you boost serotonin butttt could lead to downregulation (which is completely reversible) over time, which you have going on now I'd say from your use, and I'm guessing that quotes refering to the body's natural process.. B vits are generally great for you man so definately.

Well, the weed won't help with anxiety depression or memory, atleast they didn't for me. As for repair, that's a tough one, cannabinoids have been shown to increase neurogenesis and synaptogenesis in virto..

If it helps it man go for it, just cut back I'd say, one of my boys over done e and says smokin dope was the only thing that kept him sane, it's really subjective I suppose, I analyze too much when I'm high.

 

[somedud]

Btw that's a greattt sign that 5htp lifted you, basically means you havnt done any damage that's even worth questioning or worrying about. How was your trip? Sometimes psycho active stimulants trips "mood/overall feel" can stick around for quite a while.. That's why I'm guessing it works for PTSD sufferers.

 

[djbuddha55]

Btw that's a greattt sign that 5htp lifted you, basically means you havnt done any damage that's even worth questioning or worrying about. How was your trip? Sometimes psycho active stimulants trips "mood/overall feel" can stick around for quite a while.. That's why I'm guessing it works for PTSD sufferers.

I was actually taking the 5 htp before and it wasn't doing anything(except for a few weeks ago, i took it a few days after the mdma trip and it worked), but it was the vitamin b6 on top of it that gave me energy, for some reason.

 

[djbuddha55]

How much would smoking mary jane hurt the recovery process?

Bcause it helps a lot with numbing the depression...

 

[somedud]

^^ Cabbanoids have been shown to increase neurogeneisis and synaptogeneis in virto, however it's known to exaberate the symptoms of MDMA induced cognitive deficits and anxiety in ex abusers (also 'normal' people too) Also could cause you some DP/dr which you'll probably want to avoid, it's pretty nasty.

Honestly, it really depends on what's stressing you out, if your worried about your cognition and memory then stick it out, cover ups never work in the long run IMO.

But I've got a few buddies who abused and said it was the only thing that keep them sane/down to earth.

But IMO I'd just leave it to late nights, or weekends would be even better, all in all it's you call, but it certainly won't cause anymore damage.

 

[Keaton]

Thought I'd mention I suffer from ADHDI, OCD, Seasonal Affective Disorder, and used to have social anxiety
So my neuro-chemistry is a bit different than normal.
____________________________________________________________________________
Quit drugs or suffer..

What the hell is ADHDI?

 

[djbuddha55]

^^ Cabbanoids have been shown to increase neurogeneisis and synaptogeneis in virto, however it's known to exaberate the symptoms of MDMA induced cognitive deficits and anxiety in ex abusers (also 'normal' people too) Also could cause you some DP/dr which you'll probably want to avoid, it's pretty nasty.

Honestly, it really depends on what's stressing you out, if your worried about your cognition and memory then stick it out, cover ups never work in the long run IMO.

But I've got a few buddies who abused and said it was the only thing that keep them sane/down to earth.

But IMO I'd just leave it to late nights, or weekends would be even better, all in all it's you call, but it certainly won't cause anymore damage.

What is DP/dr?
I'm not familiar with most of these terms yet. guess i should have started psychology this semester haha.

Thanks a lot for shedding some light on my situation man, it helped a lot, and im still seeing improvement in my mood.

 

[somedud]

What is DP/dr?
I'm not familiar with most of these terms yet. guess i should have started psychology this semester haha.

Thanks a lot for shedding some light on my situation man, it helped a lot, and im still seeing improvement in my mood.

Haha no problem dude, glad I could help.

Honestly, if you dont know what it is I probaly shouldnt tell you, you'd know if you had it trust me you'd be freaking out.. It's mainly a route of intense anxiety which you don't seem to have which is a GREAT sign might I add.

But yeah man, keep optimistic, that's the hardest part but the most beneficial IMO. If you don't fall into a negative mindset you'll recover alot quicker, just keep busy. Btw dont expect to feel good right away, so don't stress if it takes a while, it's suppose to, the brain takes a while, honestly you don't want it doing such a complex job in a week do you?

Cheers

 

[djbuddha55]

About the intense anxiety thing.
Yesterday I took another 5htp + vitamin b complex + 3 vitamin b6's
It lifted my mood significantly most of the day, but i had a crash from it where it was an extremely uncomfortable feeling, kinda like the body buzz of e , it was good but horrible, i almost decided to go to the doctor . But the feeling went away after about an hour and a half, and then i was depressed again (lol..) .
It felt like being jacked up on way too much caffiene or something and im wondering what the hell it was/where it came from.
and It actually reminded me of my bad E high where I feel a huuuge body buzz but it SUCKS.
I had to take big breaths or ride my buddys skate (excercise) to get rid of the pain.
edit: I don't think it was anxiety though because it felt nothing like a panic attack or any kind of anxiety im used to.

 

[somedud]

^^ Well certain b vits can be naturally stimulating, which is why there nessecary for your brain, typically your CNS.

Think about it this way, when you abuse your body, especially with something as intense as MDMA, your body naturally burns up your reserves of many many vitamins and minerals for energy, repair, and functioning in general. These take a while to build up again with a sufficient diet.

Now, you said it wasnt typical anxiety? Then the best bet could give you is that your low on your vit supply naturally, and when your body finally got some decent supply of bvits, they burned them up right away, giving you your lift in depression and kind of a "caffeine" like feeling. That little rush, with your offset minestate could have gave you that weird E like comeup feeling. I'd suggest just keep taking them, because without a doubt their great for you, and you'll build a tolerance to them if that's what set you off.

Something else I'd recommend is some niacin (vit b3). It's been proven to treat various types of mental disorders, from depression to schizophrenia, read up on it. It had a good mood boosting effect and anti anxiety effect at higher doses. Around 1 g works good for me, you'll get a red flush for a bit but thats natural, it also dialtes your blood vessels in your brain which is great for cirulation etc..

Another one is picamilon, its a neuroenhanced version of niacin and GABA and has a high permeability to cross the blood brain barrier where its released as GABA and niacin, which should really chill you out. It's almost as good as benzos to me IMO.

If you go to the doc tell her what's up, but I'd say stay away from SSRIs, they hindered me, and don't go near benzos, their addicitive and regular use leads to cogntive problems that have been persisitant for up to 6 months; permanent in others.

Exercise is the best route to go for that IMO, cause it sounds like anxiety to me..

You might be interested in reading this thread, particularly First Bad Comdowns posts, he really knows what he's talking about;

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=558104

 

[eLW]

What the hell is ADHDI?

I quoted him, i dont know, some mentally illnes mby ?

 

[v6mafia]

Coming from a person who abused mdma a significant amount and other drugs all I can say for you is to get used to it...learn to deal with it for now, it's apart of your life...eventually it will go away and you won't notice it anymore.

 

[eLW]

Coming from a person who abused mdma a significant amount and other drugs all I can say for you is to get used to it...learn to deal with it for now, it's apart of your life...eventually it will go away and you won't notice it anymore.

or you will regenerate from roll to roll and suffer every single day from anxiety
depends on person.