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AM-2201 (1-(5-fluoropentyl)-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole
IamMe90
Bluelighter
I totally get where you're coming from though, weed is hardly even an option anymore because it's so goddamn expensive. blowing through an eighth of dank in 2 days is just unrealistic/unsustainable. weed is what I buy when i want to "treat myself" haha
Now that I've some weed, I know my AM use will drastically diminish. Hell, it just did. I hit a weed bowl 4 or 5 times, followed by only 2 hits of AM, and I'm good to go. Normally, sans ganja, all of those hits woulda been pure AM.
I can't figure out how ya'll are so accurately measuring out your doses. I just use an eyeglass screwdriver to snatch out a * sized pile. About what would you think that asterisk size dosage weighs? I can't imagine how I'd measure that.
Yo, am I the only one who's hella missing the good old J??? 
sekio
Bluelight Crew
What is wrong with you people, you can build a milligram scale out of $5 of hardware from your Home Depot and a suitable reference weight. Eyeballing doses and especially using characters on a webpage (where actual character size can vary) is useless for measurement purposes.
Even using volumetric measuring is better. That's how people are measuring their doses, that or a scale. Look on Amazon and I'm sure you can find a milligram scale for under $150.
Come on people - let's keep this conversation going. Why is so important to measure the dose? I mean, we're getting high here, not launching Space Shuttles!
I can successfully place just the right amt of product on my smoking media and take a hit, no problemo, sans any measuring devices.
Back On Topic, so it's only ME that has this tolerance anomaly? AND... if SO, heck I outta wanna be studied by Scientists/Whutnot. lol...
Because of the weed, I estimate I smoked at least a half G yesterday. NOT good at all: still too much. Crap!
^ Tachyphylaxis and tolerance combined with a possible ceiling effect of whichever drug you are actually taking. Most of the insane quantities you are consuming are doing absolutely nothing.
sadly you are not a medical marvel, just foolish.
sekio
Bluelight Crew
Either you're working with impure materials (doubt you have a GC to verify though) or you just don't notice the tolerance you're building. Full agonist compounds like the JWH/AM series have rapid tachyphylaxis.
Thriftiness leads to foolishness when you do things like take a nanomolar-active agonist of receptors in your head and 'eyeball' doses. People can't accurately judge powder clums under 100mg, even then that's iffy. Consider yourself lucky if you haven't experienced at least one overdose event.
pete_gasparino
Bluelighter
Hi,
Why it's important to measure doses using a scale, is because you want your dose to be as accurate as possible. (As close to the value, that you've read, will get you high - for example 5mg or whatever it is).
This is a very small amount of material.
Your instrument (the screwdriver) of measurement has a high degree of uncertainty.
Each time you scoop up the powder with the screwdriver, you're scooping up an unknown amount of material.
Imagine you were trying to get 5mg of sand into a container, and you have three attempts. What's the best way to do it?
Even with a milligram scale, every time you measure 5mg, there's error associated with your measurement (you read the scale from a different height, or there's electrical noise affecting the instrument for example).
But because the measurement has a lower margin of uncertainty than the measurement taken by the screwdriver, you can be confident your three measurements of sand, are in agreement.
Now, imagine you had measure 5mg of sand with a screwdriver.
You can have no confidence in your measurements - you're entirely uncertain about how much sand you've scooped up.
I'm sure you understand.
But why is it important that your measurements are as accurate as possible? Why does it matter that you should be able to replicate measurements?
Because 5mg or 10mg, or 20mg (or whatever your doses are - which you don't really know unfortunately because of the way you have measured your doses) are very small amounts of material.
You could easily dump far too much of this drug into whatever you smoke it with.
Because you're dealing with a drug that is active at such small doses, you could inadvertently place ten times the dose, into your pipe, and experience an overdose.
You're also dealing with a drug that is not widely known.
You must not mesure your doses using a screwdriver, really.
Please by a balance that can measure to the milligram.
This scale measures to the milligram - I do not know it's accuracy, and keep in mind that it will not measure 1mg, the last figure is uncertain (probably it will fluctuate) so, if it works as advertised it will measure 10mg with accuracy. Its 20 bucks.
http://www.amazon.com/American-Weig...tBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R2BVLXMW4WJLAM
OR buy something more accurate - you'll be paying much less then what you've mentioned you're paying for the drug, and it is absolutely essential if you want to continue using this drug.
This cannot be overstated.
As for your tolerance issues, there are plenty of factors, it's quite impossible to tell exactly and truthfully, why it is occurring.
Please, for the sake of your health, do not continue to take this drug until you have a milligram scale.
When you find out how much you're taking, then people can speculate on the tolerance stuff.
Overdose, smoverdose. I have OD'ed on it and guess whut? It was a non-event. I felt a 'lil nauseous, then took a nice nap - no problemo. Wake up and hit it again. I DO agree it's God's Gift as far as a sleep aid. The worse thing about OD'ing is the damage it does to your wallet. That's why I want to cut WAY back. I ain't no rock star: I've just the good looks.
Errrrm, keep up. What's 50 grams divided by turdy daze? THAT'S 'how much I'm taking.'
It's simple. It's all a matter of how we measure differently
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sekio
Bluelight Crew
If you have no issues with having overdose events, good for you. But don't go around encouraging the use of your eyeballs as replacements for a $50 analytical scale. Not on a harm reduction site.
Lots of other people can get shoved right into the Eye of The Fear after toking some JWH/AM and freak out.
The HECK are you TALKING ABOUT???
Sekio is making valid points which actually fit the ethos of this site and this forum,
I will close this thread if it continues along the current banal line, it is not advanced discussion in any way and it is not encouraging safer use.
there are plenty of disappointing reports of bogan drug piggish levels of consumption of many indolic cannabinoids simply because people build stupid levels of tolerance, you are lucky never to have experienced the horror with these substances. Many people who are far more careful have been caught out. These substances have unknown chronic toxicity so anything other than moderation and proper caution is really stupid.
fundamentally this is a harm reduction focussed site and the first principle of safer consumption is know what you are taking and know how much you are taking, you know neither. There are always the various hipforums for successful dialog between special people, perhaps you should post there? they are the perfect audience. I don't know your angle here, perhaps it is dick sizing, perhaps it is shilling who knows? who cares? unless you have something advanced to contribute you will kill this thread.
Hey, I apologize if I've not followed yall's rules. Like 90% of most new members, I did NOT read them. I'm just an old hippie (who's smoked weed all his life) that became overjoyed at the possibility of being able to substitute this fake stuff for 'cough-cough/gag-gag' real marijuana.
OK, so I've 'built stupid levels of tolerance' and I'm 'lucky never to have experienced the horror with these substances.' What horror's are associated with smoking JW/AM? I haven't read anything about that, a link would be cool... thanks. Unless! You're referring to member's previous OD'ing statements. As I've said before, I'm not affected like they are. Basically, overdosing for me equals hitting the sack for a nice, cozy nap. I swear, this stuff has the most possibility as a sleep aid! Suffering from 'lil insomnia? Here you go, mate!
I'm not quite sure what "Many people who are far more careful have been caught out" means, the 'caught out' part. And "careful" kinda throws me, too. I guess you mean measuring, maybe? My normal dose is about enough product to lightly fill in this>>> o. What's the guesstimate on that? Three hits I"m OK, and five = I'm done. That's about it.
Consider me a test case for heavy use and YO! Don't try this at home! It's been about six months and I feel fine. No chest congestion more than expected, way less than if I'd been smoking weed instead. Did I mention how much I LOVE not coughing? It's awesome!!!
Again, I apologize if I've not followed the ethos of this site. Please don't let my posts kill this thread - delete them, instead. I didn't mean to hijack: this just seemed like a good thread to address my unusual tolerance levels.
Thanks, fellas.
pofacedhoe
Bluelight Crew
you can find one for £30 for weighing gems from hong kong-ebay
fastandbulbous
Bluelight Crew
Because if you do that with a different drug, it'll be of a different density, so measuring by volume counts for shit; also if you do it with the wrong drug, you might end up with a toe tag & a big Y shaped scar over your chest (ie. you'll be in with the other dead people)
Not being accurate with the dose of a drug being consumed has put many people six foot under and despite your attitude, you're no different from all those others who took a dose and actually got to understand the meaning of life by losing theirs
In case you haven't noticed, Bluelight is a harm reduction forum...
