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Opioids Codeine CWE and evaporation = brown powder

DoctorNinja

DoctorNinja

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Ok I CWE some codeine. I boiled down the solution to about 20mL and put it on a shrink wrap foil when it was cold and let it dry in a ventilated dark place.

My question is, I never done this before, so I don't know what it should look like. My powder is light brown. Should codeine phosphate be light brown?
 
I'm pretty sure codeine phosphate is white. However I've never boiled it down tho I don't think boiling it down would have browned it.

"PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION: Colorless small crystals or white powder. Odorless. Bitter taste"
http://cameochemicals.noaa.gov/chemical/20047

Maybe the coloration came from the starting pill?

Is there any reason you chose to reduce it after your did the extraction? You can just use the liquid extracted without having to reduce & evap back to a powder. And storing the liquid is fine, it keeps well.
 
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Ok I CWE some codeine. I boiled down the solution to about 20mL and put it on a shrink wrap foil when it was cold and let it dry in a ventilated dark place.

My question is, I never done this before, so I don't know what it should look like. My powder is light brown. Should codeine phosphate be light brown?
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It should be white but light brown is probably just some residue from the pot or oxidized material. You could try a recrystallization if you have a lot of product and see if that helps. I wouldn't worry about it though unless you need pure product in which case a CWE isn't really appropriate anyways.

And storing the liquid is fine, it keeps well.
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Isn't codeine phosphate in solution quite unstable and sensitive to light? Never mind the bacterial issues of storing water for extended periods of time.
 
amapola said:
Isn't codeine phosphate in solution quite unstable and sensitive to light? Never mind the bacterial issues of storing water for extended periods of time.
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I was making assumptions of that it would be kept in the refrigerator. But the bigger assumption was that it wouldn't be stored long - a few days to a week at max. It's certainly not like keeping pod tea or pre-prepped IV shots of H or other drugs.
 
nevermind I'm an idiot. Powder wasn't dry. lol I come back it's white! miracle rofl

thx guys
 
In a previous thread from a ways back it seems the consensus was that it was ok to keep as a liquid for a few days as long as it was kept in a sealed contained in the refrigerator. But the best route to take if someone really wanted to store it in liquid form was to add a bit of high proof alcohol.

Though one of the last posts had a great idea of freezing in an ice cube tray. Great idea! Each cube would have X mg of codeine and you just plop it in your drink and voila!

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=252655
 
Another thing that bothers me is that I saw no caffeine during the process. I expected the caffeine to precipitate after I boiled down the solution and cooled to 2 degrees C. Almost nothing precipitated and the liquid was brown. Probably the caffeine didn't diffuse through the slurry at CWE part. Hard to tell.
 
k.dre said:
In a previous thread from a ways back it seems the consensus was that it was ok to keep as a liquid for a few days as long as it was kept in a sealed contained in the refrigerator. But the best route to take if someone really wanted to store it in liquid form was to add a bit of high proof alcohol.

Though one of the last posts had a great idea of freezing in an ice cube tray. Great idea! Each cube would have X mg of codeine and you just plop it in your drink and voila!

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=252655
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no thanks@alcohol, try propylene glycol ^.^

There's a big sign when you take your medicine bottle, says not to consume with alcohol, for a good reason haha, watch yourself dude.
 
It's a small amount of alcohol, just enough to preserve. I don't think you'd even feel the effects unless you added way too much alcohol.

There's a great codeine extraction technique that is perfect for AC&C pills (asprin, caffieine, codeine). It uses a large syringe and uses very little water. It's a little time consuming at first but it removes the aspirin and almost all of the caffeine - it's fantastic. I've done it to where I've extracted 600mg of codeine and never felt any caffeine effects

See 2nd technique
http://www.heroinhelper.com/curious/chemistry/extracting_codeine.shtml
 
k.dre said:
It's a small amount of alcohol, just enough to preserve. I don't think you'd even feel the effects unless you added way too much alcohol.

There's a great codeine extraction technique that is perfect for AC&C pills (asprin, caffieine, codeine). It uses a large syringe and uses very little water. It's a little time consuming at first but it removes the aspirin and almost all of the caffeine - it's fantastic. I've done it to where I've extracted 600mg of codeine and never felt any caffeine effects

See 2nd technique
http://www.heroinhelper.com/curious/chemistry/extracting_codeine.shtml
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That method is for small amounts.

I basically mix 1 part powder with 1 part water by mass, shake the crap out of it for 5 minutes, then pour the thick slurry on 50x Kleenex tissues and let it diffuse in a bowl. After 10min I recover the moisture from the tissues and repress down the leftover solid in another set of tissues (I basically walk on it) to recover leftover moisture. So I boil down the extract.

There's many reasons why I don't want to keep a liquid solution. I can state a few to pass the time:

- Codeine is relatively unstable in liquid phase,
- Taste is craptastic (prefer a pill)
- liquid can't be snorted (although I don't do it)
 
Yeah I think the syringe method does about 160mg at a time. Like I said, a bit time consuming but when you get used to it it goes pretty quick.

I'm not sure how your method removes the caffeine though? Besides more involved and difficult techniques, the syringe method is the only easy process to remove caffeine that I've seen.
 
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Yeah I think the syringe method does about 160mg at a time. Like I said, a bit time consuming but when you get used to it it goes pretty quick.

I'm not sure how your method removes the caffeine though? Besides more involved and difficult techniques, the syringe method is the only easy process to remove caffeine that I've seen.
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That's the thing. I have no idea where the caffeine went. There's no way in hell that sooo much caffeine could remain in 20mL solution near freezing point, it went somewhere...have no clue where. I also expected a tylenol amount to be in solution and precipitate at that point. No tylenol precipitated at all. I think the slurry is too thick, it doesn't diffuse through it, acting as a solid-liquid chromatography extractor idk...lol
 
When I do the CWE, the liquid is never separated from the solid, like, there's not 2 phases. It's one phase, a thick slurry. The water slowly diffuses in the Kleenex by capillarity so the slurry becomes dehydrated after a while. Could it act as a filter or something?
 
I'm not familiar with the method you are using and I'm not totally sure how it works. Maybe someone else can give you some insight with that method?
 
k.dre said:
I'm not familiar with the method you are using and I'm not totally sure how it works. Maybe someone else can give you some insight with that method?
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the CWE itself is not a problem, I used the liquid extract orally 100s of times, it works well. What I don't get is what comes after. According to my common sense, for a 300-15-8 pill, the CWE should at least have 20-13-7. It turns out that the 20-13 is not there...
 
I disolved 90mg into water to see if it tastes the same as the fresh extract, little burnt taste added...it's probably bad, doesn't taste the same, bitter though. Fuck my life
 
Ok I did that again, this time boiled off more of it. So I separated:

Extract. Made of white precipitate and liquid. The extract separated into:

- Immaculate white powder that precipitated as I was pipeting out the liquid extract. At my knowledge is probably the caffeine.

- Yellowish liquid, has trouble drying but eventually dried into a more or less white powder. Probably the codeine.


Did anyone do this before and obtained those 2?
 
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