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Poppy Seed Tea...

Mr Blonde said:
Some APAP, which is still insoluble in water, gets through the filter and is suspended in solution. Putting the liquid in the freezer or even just letting it sit out is going to lead to everything solid settling at the bottom.

Basically, yes some of it does get through the pores of the filter since a hanky is not a lab grade filter. Basically what I said back up there...
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i still dont fully understand. if 95% doesnt get trough than 100% should.
even if i were to re-filter a 2nd time through the hanky it wouldnt catch any more than it did the first time, right?

that means that some of the apap shares different properties. like it has smaller particals or something.

maybe it takes a certain mg of apap for it to crystalize making the particals big enough not to get through the hanky.

maybe it would even be possible to do 1 filter through the hanky. then with the water that is sqeezed out add another 500mg apap (to re-crystalize the remaining apap) & squeeze that water through the hanky again to catcher most of the last bit of apap.

the question would be is it always a certain amount of apap that has these small particals. like it would be 1g out of 5g, or 1g out of 10g,. but is always 1g.
or, is it a % of the apap that has the small particals like. 0.5g out of 5g, but 1g out of 10g.

because if is were a % that held the small particals. u could do one filter through the hanky. add another pill to the water & than do a second filter through the hanky to capture 95% of the remaining 5%.
this would be a much quicker way of doing cwe.
 
^ My understanding of it (and I haven't looked at filtration in a while) is that the particles in solution are less likely to clump together and can pass through an uneven filter as you would find with a hanky or shirt. That is, the pore sizes of these materials are not uniform. The solid APAP however clumps together and are unable to pass through, eventually clogging the filter.

A simple experiment to prove that this occurs should be able to be done in a way similar to what I postulated in my 'testing for concentration of APAP' thread. I haven't had the time to get around to it yet though.

I will look more closely at this later and see what I can come up with.
 
yeah thx Mr Blond.
I might do a test myself next time i do cwe.
I'll do a 2nd filter with a hanky & se if it catches any more apap

& i could also filter once with the hanky than add another 500mg apap & re-filter to see if it catches more than 500mg.

i always get sick of waiting for it all to drip through the coffee filters. it takes so long just to catch a tiny bit of apap. & it only takes about approx 100mg of apap before they get blocked. I always use a few filter because i dont feel safe about having to squeeze with the first one.
i always dip the filters in cold water first to stop the codeine from being absorbed. but the less filters ya use obviously the more codeine ya gunna get.
 
^ I use a shirt, wet it like you do and squeeze the fuck out of it. I am impatient as well. :)

Some people also swear by doing a second filter, also by doing a CWE on the remaining APAP again. I haven't tried either of those; the only times I've done a second filtration is when I've used tablets that turn to goo and they burst up out of the filter when I squeeze and into the cup. :\
 
^^do u end up with clear clear water from just using a shit?
maybe I should stop using a hanky & start using something else sop i dont have to worry about the coffee filters. (I can tell by the colour of the water if it has apap in it)

40 pack of chemists own are the best. they dissolve so easy & 400mg is just right for the ceiling dose.

I wonder what would happen id i did cwe on 2 packets & drank 600-800mg. (I would never do this) but ive heard the ceiling dose for different ppl is different.
I mean 600mg would give a decent buzz for half an hr

actually come to think of it i do cwe 18 panadeine fortes once. 540mg of codeine & got a MUCH STRONGER effect than the usual 400mg dose. I'll cwe a whole pak of panadeine forte next time i get em. im sure i will be much stronger than a 40 pak of chemists own.
anyone out there tested out this ceiling dose of apprx 450mg theory?
 
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The thing with the ceiling dose is that even if it's, for the sake of argument, 450mg, if you do a CWE you're probably losing 20% or so of the codiene, so to actually ingest 450mg you're going to have to start out with a dose of 550 or 600mg.

I find around 600 is where it stops increasing in potency, assuming I do my CWE as carefully as possible to minimize loss.
 
Mr Blonde said:
^ Yeah I haven't had enough time... been working 6 day weeks lately. :\
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No rush bro. Just appreciate that you're giving it a go :D

do u end up with clear clear water from just using a shit?
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I can try answer that. I've used many different shirts, and if you use the squeezing out technique you won't get clear water. It'll be cloudy with maybe some very small amounts of particles left in bottom of cup. This is all in my experience anyway.

Letting it filter slowly inside the fridge gives me a clear solution, which always helps give peace of mind...but I'm usually not that patient. In my CWE I'm pretty sure I'm getting substantial amounts of paracetamol, I just don't do it often and hope it's not enough to cause harm. Haven't heard of anyone with problems from CWE yet, whereas I have from people who've just had the tablets straight.
 
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I wonder what would happen id i did cwe on 2 packets & drank 600-800mg. (I would never do this) but ive heard the ceiling dose for different ppl is different.
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The ceiling dose can be very variable. My tolerance is at 2 grams of codeine right now. Fucking disgusting to drink. :(

If you up your dose like that, you probably will get higher and probably experience a larger histamine reaction too.

And no, my CWE's are never clear but my liver has checked out OK so far. I haven't gone so far as to measure how much APAP I am consuming though.

The thing with the ceiling dose is that even if it's, for the sake of argument, 450mg, if you do a CWE you're probably losing 20% or so of the codiene, so to actually ingest 450mg you're going to have to start out with a dose of 550 or 600mg.
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I think I get around 90% or better of the codeine out. I base this on my experience with pure codeine long ago, but then again my tolerance was a bit smaller.
 
did cwe 2nite on 40 pak chemists own. hanky cought basically all the apap. (when i used 2nd filter with coffee filters i couldnt see any additional apap.)

I usually use 24 pak panadeine xtra & when i do 2nd filter with coffee filters it always catches quite a bit more apap.

so maybe the stuff the hanky isnt catching is actually pill binders which have small particals.
(the panadeine xtras have pill binders with small particals that get through the hanky & the chemists own binders get cought up in the hanky.)

just a theory.....
 
^ Could be the case... I don't have a scale to weigh a tablet right now but I wonder how much weight the binders and fillers make up?

Anon54, you and I have taken this so off topic ha ha... I should move all these posts to the CWE discussion thread that is somewhere around here.
 
CWE should be back-loaded into a large (7-12ml Syringe wo needle) and pushed through cotton stuffed into the bottom of the barrel. This results in a nearly clear result.
 
muvolution said:
CWE should be back-loaded into a large (7-12ml Syringe wo needle) and pushed through cotton stuffed into the bottom of the barrel. This results in a nearly clear result.
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thats about the best filtration method you can do with cottons..for iv durgs an stuff
 
Well today is Friday, i have the day off work, i am up early, sun is shining, i am going to make some PST and then go get some shit done. Should be a plesant day
 
Beat Narrative said:
Well today is Friday, i have the day off work, i am up early, sun is shining, i am going to make some PST and then go get some shit done. Should be a plesant day
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Let us know how the PST goes. I tried 600g of hoyts the other night for the first time. i dont think i'll be repeating the experience but it did work. was longer acting than codeine but not as good. it had a mild opiate bitter taste but also had a nasty poppy seed taste with it.
I also had a hangover the next day but that was prob cuz of the seroquel before bed.
it would be good if there was some way of doing the PST wash & than actually extracting the morphine & codeine out from all the other nasty alkaloids & poppy seed taste. there was ALOT of liquid I had to drink & took like 3 glass fulls.
 
^ You could try evaporating it down to a lower liquid volume with low heat and a fan.

Or try basifying and washing with chloroform though it would be a lot of effort for probably little reward.
 
Anon54 said:
Let us know how the PST goes. I tried 600g of hoyts the other night for the first time. i dont think i'll be repeating the experience but it did work. was longer acting than codeine but not as good. it had a mild opiate bitter taste but also had a nasty poppy seed taste with it.
I also had a hangover the next day but that was prob cuz of the seroquel before bed.
it would be good if there was some way of doing the PST wash & than actually extracting the morphine & codeine out from all the other nasty alkaloids & poppy seed taste. there was ALOT of liquid I had to drink & took like 3 glass fulls.
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PST tea usually works for me, well it's working right now but thats from 1400g of wholesale seeds.

I use up to 1600g when i use hoyts (too expensive though) and it gets me massively high, this is usually to help me just tolerate my day at work

(Anyone reading this thread thinking of trying PST please start on far far lower doses than stated above)

my tolerance is sky high, been using PST as my choice drug on a daily or every other day basis since about may

Time to stop, girlfriend hates it, she will be happy though when she comes home and see all the house work is done, and why did i do it so thoroughly, because i was high! Oh the joys of the contradictions of life
 
^^u find it stronger than codeine. had some codeine today i feel ok. usually do 360mg.
felt way stronger than 600g PST.
How do u do your PST wash.
I put all the seeds in a large empty milo container, added warm water. than shook it.
(I cant understand how ppl get it into a bottle. u must need a funel which i dont have)
I than put i through a strainger & the water dropped into a saucepan. unforutetely with my method i wasnt able to squeeze all the water out. (I suppose i could have sqeezed the sseds with my hands above the strainer)
do u use lemon water?
 
I find it stronger and longer lasting than codeine, but as stated previously i don't think i have mastered the CWE process. (will try it using your method though)

I buy a 4 litre water bottle, empty water, pour seeds into bottle, fill with luke warm water so it is about 3 cm's above the seeds, add some lemon juice (not sure if this actually helps the process, it helps the taste though)

I then lay bottle on its side so all the seeds are soaking and let it sit for 20-25 minutes, shaking it gently 4-5 times.

Then get a stocking, put it over the bottle and squeeze water out, it results in usually 1 and a half - 2 pints of liquid

I don't have a funnel, just some poise, although i do find poppy seeds in all sorts of places in my kitchen, they are easy to make a mess with! (half the reason my gf despises it so much)

Well as i have never iv'd any opiate i find PST to be as potent and enjoyable as any opiate i have had other than maybe oxy

The guy who sells me the seeds thinks i bake a lot of orange and poppy seed cake, ah bless him, he is such a nice guy
 
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