[MEGA]Growing advice, tips, tricks and experience: Mark 3

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^ You might get away with it for most of the grow, as Wise says, however, if it's a big plant and a smelly strain (most are quite smelly), then towards the end of flower you'd be hard pushed to get away with it. It's hard to call really. Personally I wouldn't risk it, but then again I don't like to take any risks if I don't have to.

I can tell you you'd almost certainly be wasting your money if that's one of the budget filters (unless it's a heavily discounted 100mm Rhino). You need to go for the more expensive, better quality filters, otherwise they're just a waste of money. I've bought the budget versions of filters before and they only seem to last for maybe one grow maximum. Mine lasted for not even that (I ended up having to go for a better quality one in the middle of flower!). Rhino Pro filters are definitely the best brand of carbon filter in the UK as far as I'm concerned. They are more expensive, but they work and work well for the guaranteed period (18 months I think).

If you've only got one plant it's not like they'll throw the book at you, but they'll definitely take it away and give you a quasi-criminal record (of sorts). It's up to you at the end of the day. Like Wise says, you might get away with it. However, depending on a lot of variables, you might end up leaking smell out your front door so that people walking past *might* smell it. If they come into your house they definitely would smell it n flower- that's for sure.

 

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Wise, I just read this post that they addressed openly, so it seems they might not have the UGORG strains you want for a little bit, although they're trying their hardest to re-stock the suppliers apparently, I have been told. Sounds as if the demand is far oustripping the supply! I knew the business was doing well but I had no idea it was getting this crazy!

Due to the volume of PM's/e-mails we're receiving re: stock ive decided to start this thread.

So if you see any questions like "When will killer be back in stock" etc please do us a favor and point them here.

PLEASE READ: No Pre-Orders, Put-Aways or finance options!

Im not making any promises so please dont get on our case if there not ready. I will update this thread when/if anything changes.

blues - Late May/Early June.
C3(Limited Release) - Late April/Early May.
KillerSkunk Late June/Early July.
noname - Limited Stock!
Oldtimes - Limited Stock!
SmellyBerry - Late April/Early May.
Smile - Late April/Early May.

I would also suggest that anybody that really wants to try any of these varieties buy them when they go on sale rather than waiting until they go out of stock and moaning about it because thats just pathetic.
As an example, we had about 5 packets of Smile last almost a month, the day they sold out we got 20+ e-mails asking when it would be back.. Please, dont be an idiot!

Just to clarify and potentially save us all some time..
I dont care if you want killerskunk and its sold out, you should've bought them when they were instock.
I dont care if you think snip is too much for 10 seeds and neither do I care if you want a 5 pack.
I dont care for femini$ed seeds and would have to be both financially and morally bankrupt to ever sell out and release any.
What I do care about passionately is breaking the mould, creating, moving things forward and ultimately doing our best to educate and potentially rectify some of the damage already done.
If you dont believe any of that? Honestly I dont care.

Id also just like to squeeze in a for all the femini$ed seed merchants reading this, to me you represent everything thats wrong and I despise the fact you are getting away with the continuous bastardization of our sacred herb in your pursuit of personal wealth. You can take your dull dutch photogenic 99% female elite dwarves and stick them up your arse.

THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE, NO COMPETITION, ACCEPT NO IMITATIONS.

Created with love, Ot1&VRG.
Viva Sativa! x

 

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^ Sorry I missed that price Yerg.

 

[Wise420]

Wicked AE, thanks alot for posting that up mate Look's like ill have some time to pick one before the next season.

Here's a couple bud shots from today. 10 days to go till she gets the chop

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[Curly Sue]

Alright folks,

Think ive got a problem..

Started my own grow just over a month ago, 2 white widows, with a 200w CFL. they are around 4 weeks into veg now but just dont seem to be growin tall. ive trimmed 4 of the larger leaves to get light to the smaller ones and they seem to be growing fine, its jut the height feature thats startin to worry me...

Should i switch to a stronger bulb like a 400HPS or similar, or should i just go with the flow and allow another 2-3 weeks veg and see how it goes?

the plants are around 8-9 inches tall at the moment... any advice would be appreciated!

 

[w01fg4ng]

Hey Sue,
9" after one month sounds about right. I would continue to veg her as most white widow phenoms like a longer vegetation period anyway. What size pots do you have her in? What kind of medium are you using (soil?). When you do decide to flower her, I would go with an HPS system. They seem to outperform everything else during flower. CFL for vegetation works just fine though.

 

[Curly Sue]

Hey Sue,
9" after one month sounds about right. I would continue to veg her as most white widow phenoms like a longer vegetation period anyway. What size pots do you have her in? What kind of medium are you using (soil?). When you do decide to flower her, I would go with an HPS system. They seem to outperform everything else during flower. CFL for vegetation works just fine though.

Hey dude, thanks for the reply! I've moved the light closer to the plants so hopefully they should be recieving more light. i have one, which i planted 5 days earlier than the other, in a 15L pot (if i remember right) and i have another in about a 6 gallon one. i'm using bio-bizz all mix soil and bio-bizz nutes as well. yeah from all the readin and research ive done an hps system seems to be the one to go for, is that just because they produce more light/heat?

 

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If you're going to get an HPS lamp (hope it won't exceed 50W/square foot), then I would recommend getting it in as soon as you're able to and just use it to veg. Whilst a CFL lamp will work like wolf correctly says, you'll get better results with the HPS lamp. It's just a question of whether you can afford to get it right now or not. If you can't don't worry it'll work just fine, but I would hazard a guess you'll find in future grows when you have the right kit that the vegetative growth under a 200W CFL will be a bit disappointing in comparison to the 400W HID.

edit: 6 gallons is way too large if you've only been vegging for 4 weeks with a 200W CFL! I pot up every two weeks when in compost and after four weeks would not be able to root through more than 3L with an HID lamp. You'll be having a lot of unused soil space that's just holding water and could go sour.

I would look into potting up in successive stages and not using any more containers space than you acually need if I were you.

Potting up

Although the idea behind this is self-evident, it is worth remembering the old-time gardener’s maxim that the aim is to grow a large plant in a small pot and not the other way about – an approach which encourages the growth of a good root network. The real trick behind successfully potting up is to ensure that plants are never removed from dry soil for potting, so soak the seed tray or pot thoroughly and leave it for an hour or two before you make the transfer, making sure that you keep the root-ball intact.

Two weeks into 12/12 your roots will virtually stop growing by an appreciable amount, if you weren't aware. There will be some root growth, but it will slow to a crawl after this point, so I would make sure you at least veg until you fill out most of the soil space.

Here's a good post I would recommend having a look at:

This question keeps cropping up nigh on every week so this is how I look at it although there is no hard and fast rules. How you choose to grow also determines plant numbers and pot size. I.E Screen of green(scrog) or Sea of green (sog).

I think the easiest way to work out the best pot size and plant numbers is to first look at what bulb you are using, and I'm using hps bulbs as my base and a 3ft x 3ft or 4ft x 4ft space, and whether plant numbers are a concern for you or just not practical

Work out how many ounces that bulb could and will produce if your grow practices are good. Averaging 1grm/watt as a rough guide

EG..600grms = 21oz so if using 9 plants 600/9 = 66grms/plant which is just over 2oz. A 6.5ltr pot whether in compost or coco will produce that size of plant consistently if like I said earlier its grown in a good environment. I cant see the point of using big pots if only needing a couple of ounces per plant. By the time a large pot has rooted out the plant will probably be too big and you will have had to top or supercrop to keep the height down plus its just wasted time

If using 4 plants then you would look for them to yield over 5oz/plant so then you would need at least an 11-15ltr if in compost but you would get away with 11ltr in coco. Coco tends to out yield compost by more when you get to the bigger pots. Training would mostly be used for smaller numbers to fill the canopy

You also have to take into consideration vegging times. Obviously if you need a crop off quick then its no good using big pots because your vegging times would be longer so smaller pots would be the order of the day. Smaller pots are better also when height becomes a problem

If using sea of green then you could if practical fit 100 plants in there in 1ltr pots but it should still yield the same as 4 plants seeing its the light that governs your yield to a great extent but you would have no vegging time

At the moment I have a 1000w in a 4ft x 4ft space. Ive put 16 plants in coco in there and I'm looking at around 2oz per plant so chose 6.5 ltr pots

So there's a few things that you need to look at before deciding, and then decide on what's practical for you

Hope this makes it a tad clearer

Also I see you live in the UK? If so I would maybe consider trying a different medium as the quality of Biobizz Allmix is quite inconsistent. Their nutrients also notoriously cause problems with deficiencies etc. as well. Plant Magic Soil Supreme or Plagron Batmix are much better quality media I would recommend thoroughly. Plant Magic organic Oldtimer nutrents are also outstanding and very inexpensive, and I think you'll get much better results using these in future.

But yeah, try and avoid the american practice of plonking wee little seedling into a massive pot of soil as it'll do you no favours.

Just my two cents.

 

[w01fg4ng]

Hey dude, thanks for the reply! I've moved the light closer to the plants so hopefully they should be recieving more light. i have one, which i planted 5 days earlier than the other, in a 15L pot (if i remember right) and i have another in about a 6 gallon one. i'm using bio-bizz all mix soil and bio-bizz nutes as well. yeah from all the readin and research ive done an hps system seems to be the one to go for, is that just because they produce more light/heat?

No problem. I also agree with AE's advice above. Try to have the pot she is in reasonably proportionate to her size. It will make it easier to dose her watering/feeding with a pot that fits her well. I like to start my little ones out in a 2L and then transfer them up to a 10-15L after 3-4 weeks. So I only transplant them once or twice, but it makes it 10x easier to water/feed them this way compared to not potting up at all.

HPS has the proper frequency for flower production in cannabis. They produce a lot of lumens and their power consumption isn't horrible if you know how to monitor/read it (magnetic ballast vs digital ballast, amount of watts, ect). It's hard to go wrong with it in flower. However, they can and do get hot and this is usually a growers biggest concern with them. If you get anything above a 400w hps for example, you really should be cooling it off with a fan extraction with duct work.

 

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^ agreed. I always think extraction is good to have whenever you can because it replenishes depleted CO2 levels around the foliage and increases yields.

 

[Curly Sue]

^ agreed. I always think extraction is good to have whenever you can because it replenishes depleted CO2 levels around the foliage and increases yields.

No problem. I also agree with AE's advice above. Try to have the pot she is in reasonably proportionate to her size. It will make it easier to dose her watering/feeding with a pot that fits her well. I like to start my little ones out in a 2L and then transfer them up to a 10-15L after 3-4 weeks. So I only transplant them once or twice, but it makes it 10x easier to water/feed them this way compared to not potting up at all.

HPS has the proper frequency for flower production in cannabis. They produce a lot of lumens and their power consumption isn't horrible if you know how to monitor/read it (magnetic ballast vs digital ballast, amount of watts, ect). It's hard to go wrong with it in flower. However, they can and do get hot and this is usually a growers biggest concern with them. If you get anything above a 400w hps for example, you really should be cooling it off with a fan extraction with duct work.

Cheers dudes, will take that on board! the only problem is my living arrangements. i live in a semi-detatched and the walls r pretty thin so im quite para about the whole extraction and carbon filter noise that may go on... would that make quite a lot of noise or am i just being over paranoid? lol im going to leave them to veg for about 3-4 weeks still. got a wee fan on the go aswell which will hopefully improve things.

 

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^ you can muffle the sound of any inline fan with a 'Leepy box' i.e. a carboard box containing the fan which is filled with some material to muffle the sound, such as expanding foam. You can also use acoustic ducting and a silencer.

So sound doesn't have to be an issue.

A small desk fan will not work in the same way as a fan that extracts air from the grow space, as it's only circulating the air within the grow area and not removing it and replacing it with fresh air. But if that's all you've got then fair enough, as long as you're aware that a lack of proper ventilation, more powerful lights etc will be holding you back.

If you can just put the plant outside in mid-April then you stand a much better chance of getting a better harvest. If I were in your shoes this is what I would probably do. edit: since you're in Scotland (up north) late April would be better.

 

[JoshE]

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Well done mate, I bet your glad you've got your harvest after all that effort and wait! It'll look a lot better once you give it the final trim though

 

[JoshE]

Thanks AE

Ill give them one more night to dry and ill try and finish the trim tomorrow.

 

[JoshE]

Guys,

Will dog urine kill Marijuana?

Ive just transplanted my little one into the back garden from a pot and it seems to be going ok, only thing is that my male dog seems to urinate on absolutely everything including all the plants so will this be a problem?

If so, Ill just get some chicken wire and put it around the little one.

 

[zemullman]

Guys,

Will dog urine kill Marijuana?

Ive just transplanted my little one into the back garden from a pot and it seems to be going ok, only thing is that my male dog seems to urinate on absolutely everything including all the plants so will this be a problem?

If so, Ill just get some chicken wire and put it around the little one.

A source of nitrogen....but will burn any leaves that come into contact with urine. So not thaaattt bad really.

 

[Prelude2TragedyII]

Not too bad Gurner looks nice


been having problems with my plant, wondering if any could diagnose it, I
got pics of it all

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How the leaf progresses.

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Northern Lights seedling, feminized , doing well, but I dont get why the lower leaves are in the condition they are in.

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Whats up with that?

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My large plant 2 3/4 ft tall.
Having problems also, wondering if anyone can diagnose with pics, (those pics of the leaves changing color at the very top of the page are from this plant)

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[JoshE]

Thanks Prelude

Yellowing leaves often indicates Nitrogen Def doesn't it? Or I even read that it could be showing early symptoms of root bound.

I'm assuming your feeding them nutes?

 

[Wise420]

Hey prelude check the pH run off mate, you may need to adjust it then give a good flush. Looks like a pottasium deficiency. You can notice the "clawing" at the end of the leaves on a couple plants too which is also a sign of a pH problem.