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Morphine sulfate - how much when you've got a moderate codeine tolerance?

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celsior

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Hi.

Ive gotten the offer to buy 100mg morph.sulfate pentahydrate slow release tabs.

A 270mg CWE mix of codeine will give me an adequate high but I keep getting wicked hangovers. The most Ive done is nearly 300mg but it wasnt much different from 270 cuz the hangover was just a tad worse. I.e, I dont want to stretch the dosage any further.

I was thinking of cutting one tab in two, thereby destroying most of the slow release mechanism. 270mg codeine should amount to approx 50mg of morphine so I am guessing 50mg of morphine sulfate should do the trick. I am hoping for a better high plus a gentler hangover - am I right or wrong here, what do you guys think?
 
at 270mg cwe, at best conversion rate u'd be getting 50mg morphine into ur system. at worse ur getting 27mg of morphine give or take. cuz its usually 10-20% of cwe gets converted into morphine.

so taking a 50mg tab should be way over your current tolerance i'd reconmend taking 1/3 and see how that goes?

and when u say hangovers. what side effects are you getting the next day?
270mg is a quite low for cwe in my honest opinion. start thrashing morphine now it'll forever destroy ya tolerance to it haha :)
 
Yeh say bubbeye to any buzz from the dean from now on brotha...well .. at least you will think its shit compared to morphine.

I love getting a buzz off codeine again..good times. Now when i was doing 700mg's a day...different story. Its hardly enjoyable anymore at that stage.
 
Crush it up after you cut it in half to destroy the time-release properties. Only do the half and enjoy it before your tolerence builds up.
 
headdah said:
at 270mg cwe, at best conversion rate u'd be getting 50mg morphine into ur system. at worse ur getting 27mg of morphine give or take. cuz its usually 10-20% of cwe gets converted into morphine.

so taking a 50mg tab should be way over your current tolerance i'd reconmend taking 1/3 and see how that goes?

and when u say hangovers. what side effects are you getting the next day?
270mg is a quite low for cwe in my honest opinion. start thrashing morphine now it'll forever destroy ya tolerance to it haha :)
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I was under the impression that 30mg of codeine = 1mg of morphine.
 
herm1t said:
I was under the impression that 30mg of codeine = 1mg of morphine.
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on the average person "medium metabolizers" or whatever its around 10% conversion, so you'd be at roughly 3mg morphine..

Ofcourse it takes time too metabolize so if you're taking 300mg of codiene it may only feel like 15 or 20mg spread out a little bit longer.
 
I'd say start with 30mg if you're plugging or IVing, and 50mg if you're taking it orally.

I'd highly recommend not taking it orally though, morphine loses a lot of it's potency in the first pass metabolism. If you're not into needles them buy a 10ml oral syringe and plug it.
 
I feel that codeine is a better recreational drug than morphine if you don't inject and your tolerance is low enough to feel codeine, but thats just my probably weird opinion.

Morphine has a horrible oral bioavailability where codeines is huge, the average amount of codeine converted to morphine is something like 10% but that is with pretty much 100% bioavailability, when you consider morphines oral BA% of like 30% then I really feel 270mg of codeine in reality is equal to alot more than 27mgs of morphine orally.

I would reccomend like 60mgs or so if you are taking it orally, making sure you crush it up good to avoid time release mechanism. 35-40mg is probably a good amount to plug or 20-30mg if you found yourself spiking a vein.

I find it odd you get hangovers from codeine as I always feel awesome the day after. There is a possibility this will be worse for you with morphine as I have a friend that seemed to get headaches a lot after they would use morphine.
 
Ive experimented with a number of opiates and i have to say morphine is my least favorite opiate. If u get high off 300mg codeine then that means ur tolerance is somewhat low. Morphines BA orally is good. Id start off by taking 20-30mg at most. It will feel equivalent to ur usual dose of codeine. What im surprised at is that u get a hangover from dosing codeine which should never happen unless u didnt extract it properly.

If u are goin to dose sum morphine be prepared if u go overboard u will def have the worst hangover of ur life. Its more like feeling sick, nausea and vomiting. I hate it personally. Also keep in mind from my experience is that cross tolerance isnt a major issue with opiates. Sure u will be able to tolerate it a bit more but believe me if its ur first tme with a new opiate even tho u have had experience with codeine etc u will def feel it strong. I got 2 black eyes next day after having only 32mg hydromorphone and i was using alot of oxys, codiene and small amounts of morphine.
 
I'm inclined to agree, and not only does morphine have a lot of issues with side effects/difficulty with dosing properly, I just flat out don't find it as enjoyable as other opiates. It's a great painkiller and fairly sedating, but I felt little to no euphoria or mood lift, just kind of relaxed.
 
yeah, use that morphine tab to make some homebake with acetic anhydride. lol...

put it to good use.

morphine orally is shit house, and yeah its BA will make the equivalent dose you're working out for codeine quite a lot less than your estimate.
 
I have a moderate opiate tolerance from poppy seed tea of all pathetic things

As i don't shoot anything i found two 100mg Morphine sulfate tablets chewed up about an hour apart gives me a very pleasant night

Thats my own personal experience/opinion
 
Thx for the replies, guys.

Well I finally did it. I've dosed about 30mg and already after half an hour I could feel a slight euphoria. That was quick! Tho an empty stomach might have had something to with that...

This is gonna be sweet :) I'll keep you guys posted.
 
drug_mentor said:
I feel that codeine is a better recreational drug than morphine if you don't inject and your tolerance is low enough to feel codeine, but thats just my probably weird opinion.

Morphine has a horrible oral bioavailability where codeines is huge, the average amount of codeine converted to morphine is something like 10% but that is with pretty much 100% bioavailability, when you consider morphines oral BA% of like 30% then I really feel 270mg of codeine in reality is equal to alot more than 27mgs of morphine orally.

I would reccomend like 60mgs or so if you are taking it orally, making sure you crush it up good to avoid time release mechanism. 35-40mg is probably a good amount to plug or 20-30mg if you found yourself spiking a vein.

I find it odd you get hangovers from codeine as I always feel awesome the day after. There is a possibility this will be worse for you with morphine as I have a friend that seemed to get headaches a lot after they would use morphine.
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I agree 100% with this.
 
celsior said:
Thx for the replies, guys.

Well I finally did it. I've dosed about 30mg and already after half an hour I could feel a slight euphoria. That was quick! Tho an empty stomach might have had something to with that...

This is gonna be sweet :) I'll keep you guys posted.
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ok now you've tried 30mg oral, try 30mg in your arsehole. You'll see just how wasteful oral morphine is.
 
^lulz u guys, lest we forget that not every bloke around here is willing to take the 'plunge' and jam a 3ml syringe up their ass for kicks.. better off IVing it, its simpler, cleaner and all round better.

not that im suggesting you spike your vein now... hell i wouldnt even bother injecting 30mg of morphine. you claim to have had a mild opiate tolerance, but it would appear you don't have one at all.

30mg of oral morphine based on its BA probably wind you up wiht 15mg or so dose. wasteful.
 
^ You can use a syringe now? I just used to get a funnel and pour it down there. Fit about 200mL in by my count. ;)

Seriously though, plugging is a good option if you don't want to IV. I would IV but my hands are shakier then Michael J. Fox trying to operate a jackhammer.
 
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