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The Big & Dandy bk-MDMA (Methylone) Thread - Redosed

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I found out that it induced sleep paralysis
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Is that a personal anecdote or well-documented side effect for which you could provide a source? Either way, I take your opinion as valid. I'm just curious whether it is a reaction had by few or many.
 
|>R()|)!G/-\|_ said:
Is that a personal anecdote or well-documented side effect for which you could provide a source?
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A well-documented side effect for a research chemical, that's not really likely. ;)
Besides that, this really really really sounds like a idiosyncratic effect or something not directly related to use of methylone. And even if methylone would be directly connected to sleep paralysis (in some individuals), sleep paralysis is not really something dangerous; it's just awkward when/if it happens.

To me, this sounds like typical N=1 'statistics'; something that might be kept in mind in case it does happen, but can largely be disregarded. (No offense though)
 
|>R()|)!G/-\|_ said:
Is that a personal anecdote or well-documented side effect for which you could provide a source? Either way, I take your opinion as valid. I'm just curious whether it is a reaction had by few or many.
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That's just anecdotal evidence, not more. I complained about the sudden occurrence of sleep paralysis to a passionate and experienced mdma/m1/mda user. Back then I thought it was caused by my use of psychedelics, wasn't even aware of the notion back then.
I was baffled when he pointed me to the wikipedia page right away, after I laboriously tried to describe the weird phenomenon. He dismissed my theory, adding that he'd get it too, but only after prolonged abuse of empathogens.

I kept track of the incidents in my calendar from the beginning and I'm in the habit of chronicling my drug use. There was no particular pattern discernible when I compared the notes, but the first bouts came definitely after I had discovered M1. Nothing conclusive but I decided to discontinue the use of Methylone anyway. Last time it happened was early december, even before my last dose of m1, no sign of sign of sleep paralysis since then. Could have been a number of factors, but I haven't change any other significant aspect of my lifestyle (drug use included).

By the way I found one or two reports about increasingly frequent sleep paralysis from heavy mephedrone and methylone user on other boards since then. Don't know those people but I doubt they've fabricated accounts of such a peculiar side effect (why would they?). I don't think this effect is due to some unique feature of my biochemistry, but it must be really rare, probably not N=1 but almost negligible. Otherwise we'd have epic threads about nightmarish terror from worried users, trapped in the no man's land between dream and awake conciousness. It is a quite uncomfortable experience, I panicked the first few times, enough motivation to give it a rest for some time.

There's nothing else I can add. Hope this satisfies your curiosity :)
 
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Well, sorry to hear that agnetha. That would be a pretty rare side effect, though. What a shame, as M1 is such a pleasant substance to imbibe. Sure hope I don't start to get that. Yea I've had naturally occuring sleep paralysis and it quite horrible. What causes it is that the mechanisms that "turn off" your motor neuron responses during dreaming (so that we dont fall off of the tree branch we are sleeping on), fail to quit when you are otherwise waking up and becoming conscious... so you feel very "stuck"... possibly still part way inside some dream as well... this is what is responsible for those dreams I used to have frequently as a kid when the Monster was chasing me, but I was totally frozen in place, unable to run... YIKES!!!

Sounds like your brain became 'out of sync" due to the heavy stim use, and its "sleep cycle control synchronization" became UNsynced
 
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Well, sorry to hear that agnetha. That would be a pretty rare side effect, though. What a shame, as M1 is such a pleasant substance to imbibe.
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Nah, I'm not finished with it, just decided to give it a rest for a while. No need to ruin it for me permanently by exceeding my limits. I have a feeling that sleep paralysis won't reoccur if I use it sparingly. There are other interesting compounds I'm toying with atm, so I'm not in a hurry to dip into the batch sitting in my freezer, stored away for the right occasion. :)
 
I did some more methylone in social setting last night. I still get the feeling that in many ways methylone reveals to me the way in which I incorrectly interact with the people around. Methylone makes me see everything in a very clear light. I notice why people act the way they do, I even notice why I act the way I do when I am sober.

Is this a common side effect of methylone? Does anyone else feel that they understand human relationships a lot better on methylone. And it's not like MDMA where you love everything and everyone, it's very controlled, you completely understand why you're attracted to female or why you consider a particular person a friend. Very cold and clinical in some ways...
 
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Is this a common side effect of methylone? Does anyone else feel that they understand human relationships a lot better on methylone.
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Everyone responds to it a bit differently, but "understanding human relationships" seems like something that's dependent on the ability to feel what someone else is feeling (empathy), which of course the MDxx drugs provide in an extreme and artificial way. Beyond that, while I wouldn't call MDMA or Methylone psychedelic, they do often have the effect of making one aware of the "top level" of one's ego bullshit, in a way that causes some people to think outside themselves a lot more than usual, and analyze their connections to other people.

Your experience with methylone sounds a lot like my own. It's got a lot in common with MDMA, I find the peripheral effects more unpleasant but it's also less intoxicating in a subtle way.

As far as sleep paralysis, these drugs have a novel and predictable effect on the CNS, so it seems logical to me that side effects would be concentrated around similar chemistry in different people. If it's true that empathogen users have a higher than normal risk of experiencing sleep paralysis but it's confined to a minority subset of the population, I think Occam's razor says that either the action of MDxx drugs create a state of sleep paralysis in susceptible individuals, or the action of MDxx drugs contribute to it in a way that increases the user's risk of sleep paralysis by some statistically relevant % less than 50.
 
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i had sleep paralysis quite frequently 6 or 7 years ago when i was abusing stimulants, alcohol & benzos. Haven't really had it much since, but i've limited my methylone usage pretty well. Usually do it 2-3 times over 6 weeks or so about 3 maybe 4 times a year
 
Tried this out for the first time last weekend at 180 mg. I had a great time, but all in all the trip was a bit underwhelming. I was expecting more euphoria from it. Gonna up the dose a bit next time and see if I can find my sweet spot.

The euphoria I got was more psychological than physical. Felt some empathy and felt like there wasn't a worry in the world, but almost no body component. Do you think the dose was too low?
 
Have not had the chance to try methylone yet... but I get sleep paralysis shortly after an mdma session. Hope that info is of some use here
 
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The euphoria I got was more psychological than physical. Felt some empathy and felt like there wasn't a worry in the world, but almost no body component. Do you think the dose was too low?
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I don't get much of a peak until after redosing (100 mg around T+1:00).
 
M1 just isn't complete without a healthy dose of 4-FA. I can't get over how godly this combo is at the price/availability - have given (I'm a very generous guy with my drugs... love to spread the good vibes and magic :) ) this combo to about 6 of my friends and everyone of them have compared it almost identically with MDMA - a couple liked it better (I myself would not go this far, but do think they are almost indistinguishable)

highly, highly recommend any regular M1ers to try it out :>
 
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M1 just isn't complete without a healthy dose of 4-FA. I can't get over how godly this combo is at the price/availability - have given (I'm a very generous guy with my drugs... love to spread the good vibes and magic :) ) this combo to about 6 of my friends and everyone of them have compared it almost identically with MDMA - a couple liked it better (I myself would not go this far, but do think they are almost indistinguishable)

highly, highly recommend any regular M1ers to try it out :>
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sounds great! could you plz elaborate - meaning how much of each and timing. although m1 on its own feels pretty stimmy tbh so i would be careful to combine it with 4-fa... thanks
 
Sooo I finally got around to trying a 170mg dose.

It was ok I guess, nothing to spectacular. I was home just watching tv too so setting may have had some play into it but I wanted to try it at home first.

I didnt get to much euphoria really. I did have a lot of clarity though, just a good clear focus in my mind but the stimulant afterwards just lasts forever. I dropped 170mg around 10:30 and I didn't really sleep much the entire night. Slept maybe 5hrs and it wasnt very deep.

Funny thing is though that I didnt feel at all tired as I ran around the next day, normally i would be really tired. It wasnt till around 10pm or so did I get very tired.

I didnt redose or anything... might try 200mg next time or try a redose. Any suggestions on what might work better?
 
YaniCZka said:
sounds great! could you plz elaborate - meaning how much of each and timing. although m1 on its own feels pretty stimmy tbh so i would be careful to combine it with 4-fa... thanks
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well I admit it is a very stimulating combo - but it has never felt too harsh on my body... I've had some pretty stupid/irresponsible binges on both of these at the same time without ever incurring physical damage or even major side effects.

as far as dosage goes... I just take my normal full recreational doses of both - staggering the M1 about 30 minutes into the the 4-FA since I find 4-FA takes longer to come on.

the dose would just depend on what your regular dosing is. For me, I take 180mg of 4-FA and 200mg of M1. A lot of people I know only need substantially lower doses, though. I've always been hardhead with dosing when it comes to pretty much all types of psychoactives
 
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as far as dosage goes... I just take my normal full recreational doses of both - staggering the M1 about 30 minutes into the the 4-FA since I find 4-FA takes longer to come on.
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wow, you must be proper hardcore to take it both almost at the same time in full doses. for me 4-fa is rather euphoric on its own, but only first 2 hours or so. so i was thinking about taking m1 then. thanks for reply and take it easy ;)
 
Never tried methylone but I'm asking a question for a friend. She was a heavy user of methylone for a few months then decided to quit. It's been about 3 weeks since she used. She's experiencing seizures and numbness. She said her torso and butt are numb to the point she can't even feel when she sits down. Could this be residual effects from the drug?

Also, are there any particular vitamins or supplements recommended to help the body recover from methylone? Thanks.
 
im sorry i cant give more specific advice, but really, the symptoms described sound really serious, maybe the best she could do is visit a professional and see what she/he thinks. it could be totally not drug related too.

as far as vitamins and supplements, general use multivitamins generally cant do harm, also a proper diet with plenty of calories and protein and plenty of rest are recommended after stim/entactogen use.
 
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