[LSD Subthread] First time LSD

[Alldaykk]

hey people anyone know if piracetam potentiates the LSD experience, and if so, to what degree?

cheers :D

yes it does. A lot. In fact I had one of my most profound experiences ever with just a lot of pre dosed piracetam over a few weeks and one blotter. Rediculously good

 

[Burn.The.Witches]

So talk to me about acid =]

Righty, I would like to get a wide and as unbiased idea as I can of what to expect from acid. I am not inexperienced when it comes to psychedelics, am a big fan of DMT, Changa and Shrooms, and had lots of fun on most of the 2c's and a couple of other experimental substances. Only once had a "bad trip" and that was down to my own silliness. Generally when I tell people who know me that I haven't tried it, they are usually pretty surprised (yeah; I'm well hardcore loliz)

I have still not got round to trying acid, the opportunity has arisen a couple of times but I was either playing with other toys or not in the right headspace (which I understand is pretty essential).
It is something I would love to experience, however have pretty intense paranoia at times which I fear will play on my mind during the journey. I also think that the stigma attached and the bullshit I was fed in school has definitely stuck in my mind.

I know that horror stories are usually exaggerated and over played, however I have witnessed some horrible experiences. I spent 6 hours trying to convince a very good friend that I wasn't going to attack her and that she hadn't been abused and didn't have an alien inside her. On other occasions, have had to chase a naked guy around a city after he had been fitting and freaking out on the train for an hour and a half.

Anyway, I know these sort of things can happen with anyone on anything, it varies from person to person (and I have seen it).

What I really want to know I guess is:

a) How many times has it gone wrong for you?
b) How easy do you find it to turn around and get back to a positive path?
c) Is there anything you find either helps prevent it going pear shaped or that helps get you back on track?

It's not so much the intensity that worries me, I've had some very full on experiences with DMT and Changa, mixed shrooms and 2cb, been thrown into galactic travel and dimension surfing
It's more the length that concerns me with acid. I don't know how my mind would work with 6 hours of psychedelic terror and it seems like it's quite hard to snap out of it once it's set in. I am usually pretty strong minded and manage to overcome most "episodes" I have nearly had, but then again, so is my friend. Given that my paranoia seems to pop up every now and then, and usually when having fun, would anyone recommend that I don't try it?

Also are there any recommended environments you would suggest someone were to be in when experimenting for the first time?

Many thanks

 

[Solipsis]

I actually think that the duration is less to worry about than the intensity, contrary to expectations or intuition. You see, time spent without being overwhelmed is really not costing any special energy... I found DOB a little boring but it lasts a hell of a long time.

Acid is very lucid and clearheaded for me usually, especially when i don't plunge into high-dosed trips. That really counts for a lot, it does not take me on a fairy-tale like journey at normal doses like mushrooms do.

It has gone a bit bad for me numerous times maybe one in 10 times or something, but nothing too serious. One time I attempted an ego death by meditating and at the very last moment before total departure from myself I started worrying about what might happen during the time I would be absent. That there was something in the 'rules' or laws of this kind of thing I did not know, and I would be fucked. That is the very last bit that prevented total and complete surrender and it can be hard.
Anyway when I decided to abort it, it made me very confused and I started going down a downward spiral. It took like 30 minutes to readjust and it succeeded by realizing that when I would put real faith and trust in myself I would also be the one receiving it from myself. It is a self-perpetuating force. Once I started doing that everything was great.

Another thing that helps well is changing the setting, if you just start doing something else and accept what has happened and leave it behind you, you can build on top of it. No denial though.

Really if you start off low there is not that much to fear, just make sure your set and setting are both well considered. That is much much more important than the slightly longer duration of LSD compared to mushrooms.

When I tripped a lot I could do acid much more easily and just get into the groove and adjust to it, negotiate with the trip to go into a slightly controlled direction. I could control my release of control so to speak.
But with DMT it goes so fast that everything has to be prepared much better before. You have to clear your mind before and have too little time during the flash.

 

[Sega420]

its bad stuff man stay away from it

 

[TheAppleCore]

a) How many times has it gone wrong for you?

I've never had any frightening or traumatic experiences, just trips in which I've felt really "ill" in a physical sort of way, but I was still "cool" so to speak.

Something like DMT is way more terrifyingly aggressive when it goes sour, IME.

b) How easy do you find it to turn around and get back to a positive path?

Actually not so easy. Seems like once things start heading in the direction of that odd psychedelic "sickness", I'm pretty much stuck that way till I come up. Luckily it doesn't seem to happen all that often, and with practice I've learned to avoid it almost entirely.

c) Is there anything you find either helps prevent it going pear shaped or that helps get you back on track?

The LSD itself will teach you how to do that. You'll learn this way of just letting yourself slip into this powerful positive "current", and once you can do that, it's pretty difficult for negativity to creep back in. You don't even have to try, really, it just becomes obvious.

 

[Shambles]

Only posting to say that the OP has easily one of the best usernames on BL

Not much to say in answer to your questions cos I've never really had a bad experience on acid other than that nasty Serotonin Syndrome biznizz when combined with tramadol.

PS: TAC's new avatar is pretty goshdarn funkpants too

PPS: Bugger. Thought the OP's name was Bum.The.Witches. not Burn.The.Witches. Meh. It's still pretty good but bumming witches ftw

 

[ch1nawhite]

a) How many times has it gone wrong for you?
b) How easy do you find it to turn around and get back to a positive path?
c) Is there anything you find either helps prevent it going pear shaped or that helps get you back on track?

i love acid, and its probably my favorite drug ive done, (acid, shrooms, x, tons of other shit), but im also doing dmt today, and i think ill have a new favorite.
but out of all my lucy trips (a fucking shit LOAD), its only gone wrong like 2 - 3 times. and that was hard to get back positive, even being experienced. i find it fairly easy to get back on the positive most times though, you just got to tell yourself everything is the way it is suppose to be at that very moment in time. i love acid, because we had some pink floyd playing, and i could feel the music, crawling up my arm- starting at my fingertip, and note by note the wall crawled up my arm, and continued to crawl all over, until it engulfed my body, to where i wasnt moving, but it was the music that allowed me to move, talk (if i could, or just mumbled nonsense), everything i did was really the music.
and i always had fun tripping for a bit in a well lit room, then cutting the lights. i remember doing this and once they went out i thought i was in a room filled with lasers, like mission impossible shit lol.
i always had fun tripping around animals, because cats seem to know when your on acid it seems, they get really wierd, running around jumping and playing with you.
walking around outside is always intense, but i loved it. especially at night, then going into walmart tripping off 3 hits of blotter. its soooo bright in there, and everyone stares lol

my second favorite experience (pink floyd crawling on me being the first), was having an hour long conversation with my buddy, and not saying a word. it was like telecommunication kinda, and the thing is that we both knew what the other was saying, or thinking, it was just like we heard inside each others head, but it seemed very normal. we were gone that night- hahaha.

Acid is definitely something i think everyone should experience, just because i've had some of the most amazing times of my life on lucy. Some experiences i will always remember, and something i wouldn't want to let go. i will talk to anyone, anyone i meet about my acid trips, just because i think its something everyone should hear, some of the experiences ive had, that just cant be explained. people who werent even tripping were kinda confused. i cant draw for shit, but one night on a bunch of acid, i had a picture in my head, and i got a pen and paper, and drew this image to where it looked like it was printed off the computer, looked amazing.

 

[mr.buffnstuff]

acid is the bench mark for trips. from experience its very dose dependant, iv had probably 30 good trips, 1 bad and one that started going bad but i turned around..

main thing is to read as much as possible and ask as many questions (as you are doing) you want to read reports on erowid because it is a ride once you start you cant really stop....

be in a good safe well known enviroment with people you trust and know, relax and enjoy!

just remeber when your tripping if things start to turn bad... you just need to be able to reassure yourself that your just tripping and you will be back to normal after not too long!

bad trip i had was in a car (not driving just passenger) i had had wayyy too much trying to look cool and 'hard-to-the-fucking-core' it was a stormy winter night sat in the car park in skegness with the other boy racers :/ started smoking some weed and everything started going bad, like my mind was ruined, lapsing in and out of the conversation and reality! my mate was whacking out some dirty Dub Step and the combo of the shitty sub and amp seemed to make things 100x worse.... i was fucked untill i got home and could start to relax a bit!

 

[Sega420]

all you guys are nuts, you've clearly fried your brains with this evil stuff.
you should all give your lsd to me, ill dispose of it for you

 

[PotLuck]

First time frying

Anything I should know or maybe some tips? It's gonna be my first psychedelic but I'm an experienced roller and I smoke that grass a lot so I'm pretty sure I can handle. Might go camping next week with some friends for spring break so I'll probably take it then. I heard I have to keep the tab referigerated. Is that true?

 

[HeavilySedated]

I would advise against that camping trip. Not that it's not going to be awesome, but it's not the best setting for a first time. You should probably try it in the comfort of your home with a sober friend before trying it in a place you might not be 100% familiar with. If you can do at least one hit beforehand, just to make sure it works OK for you, that would be optimal.

IMO, there's no need to keep it refrigerated if you're going to use it in a few weeks time, but just remember to keep it in a cool dry dark place.

 

[Shambles]

Don't burn the bacon.

Other than that, maybe check out the Big & Dandy First Time LSD/First Time Tripping and various of the other B&D threads on this and closely related topics to be found in the PD Index.

As for the camping idea, if they really are good friends then that could well be a great setting. Not so great if you're the only one tripping or they are not the kinda friends who would be good around trippers. Best advice for a first trip for me would be to take it in a situation you feel totally at ease in - for some that means being alone and for others it means being with close friends. Camping would be a great situation to trip in... but totally depends on who else is there and how they would behave around somebody on acid...

 

[We are all ONE]

What type of skillet will you be using?

I personally love camping - perfect set setting etc. , id think a bit more about the people you are with and what the agenda is

 

[Solipsis]

Check the beginners FAQ carefully, in it there are already links to the first time LSD thread. Otherwise for decent navigation you can use our PD Index.

I too would recommend against taking a powerful drug for the first time in a setting like camping. Going camping is a very rich and more complex experience since you are more back to basics, but it also means that you cannot really control what is going on that well. Something that you can do safely at home.

Keeping the acid refridgerated? Well yes and no: the colder it is stored the best it will keep BUT you need to keep it dry and airtight. Realize than in fridges and freezers water creeps everywhere by condensation. In aluminum foil in a ziplock baggy in another ziplock baggy should be fine but with freezers you should really have an airtight vial and dessicant. Easy, but it requires a few things and a little attention.
The acid shouldn't degrade in a short timespan anyway although it will if you leave it open in the out, in warmth and light. A cool dark drawer should be fine. If you live in a really hot climate perhaps the fridge is not a bad idea.

I get that you'd want quick answers fast, but that is not really how we like things to work here. Please find all the appropriate threads, like visit the Index >> then the LSD Thread >> In that find the storage subthread. Though that one in particular may not fit your needs right now. Well in the Index there is also a general storage Big & Dandy Thread.

Please do your homework on these subjects well before you get you self into things you do not understand.

If nothing else, this thread will eventually be closed, but I'll give you an opportunity to check in about all this.

 

[PotLuck]

Thanks guys ill for sure check out that beginners faq when i have a little more time.
ill be camping with friends that i have rolled and partied with so they wont be a burn or trip out about the fact that im tripping out but they also have no experience with acid.

@ We are all ONE
im not really sure what you mean by skillet..

 

[vibrancy3]

where does the term ''frying'' come from, such negative way to decribe tripping on something, if anything your anti-frying by expanding your mind ?

kind of make me shiver abit inside when i see the word ''frying'' now :O

 

[Solipsis]

A skillet is a frying pan. I figure the term 'frying' might come from those old anti-drugs campaigns that compared a brain on drugs with eggs or other things being fried. An illustration:

I guess a good reason why a lot of people on bluelight or in the drug scene are allergic to the term 'frying' is because it has the connotation of actually subscribing to the fried egg metaphor. Which is of course demonizing nonsense and use of an ignorant, absurd simile.
Something that might be compared to actually frying your brain cells is excitotoxicity, for example enough glutamate can stimulate your brain cells so much that they die. The relevance to drugs is vague at best, at least for most drugs and certainly LSD so it is best forgotten.

And the term 'frying' is preferably not used. Even without having English as my native language I associate the term with teenagers or punks who think drug use is 'cool' or makes you popular and who might glorify drug use. And who often use slang terms either as euphemisms to distract them from the actual facts or to try and interest others in drug use or into buying drugs.

Drugs are not pokemon or other toys or games and in the name of harm reduction I ask everyone not to say things like fry. 'Rolling' has less negative connotations but I am still not excited about it. Call me a bore, and I know personal opinions should not be enforced on a public and relatively free forum. But still. Please.

And again: this thread is heading for closure. Going once, going twice...

 

[We are all ONE]

'Frying' was pretty much the universal term for taking acid in the late 90's - at least in the bay area

I see where/why it gets a bad rap but no biggie
I actually used the term a lot and not in a bragging sense, just simply to follow the lingo of me peers

lol - I remember dude walking around a party repeating 'fry guy trip, fry guy trip, fry guy trip.....'etc for several hours. I dont think he was having a good one.

so OP, enjoy your first time frying, tripping, dosing, etc.....

and yes, solipsis properly identified a skillet for you ( highly recommend against plugging)

 

[OxycontinAnonymous]

haha everytime someone posts the word fry you can bet two thirds of the people will answer his question the other third will bitch about the word "fry". I could personally care less how people refer to their drugs. Although deemsters is the stupidest name for DMT anyway I'll stop rambling.

 

[Solipsis]

^Fair enough.

Still, vibrancy's post resonates a lot with me (no pun intended). I know the feeling of being so high on drugs that it really feels like you are damaging something. DOB and oral hash have given me the feeling of having my nerve endings going over a cheese grater, it was pretty horrible. Since psychedelics make people even more open to suggestion than many of us are by nature I would reject the term frying on principle. Even if there is nothing to it, no slang or bullshit propaganda, it still sounds shitty. If you are really use to a word you can lose every association because it is so integrated in you that you stop interpreting it consciously when you say or hear it.

But on psychedelics this effect can be reversed, I have had multiple trips in which I felt like I could experience language as if I never heard it before, taste a word in my mouth and how weird it actually is if you really think about it. Some words are very weird if you really start evaluating them purely phonetically, unfortunately no English ones come to mind. But some syllables are just awkward as hell. :D