I have taken both tramadol and suboxone at the same time one after the other in both ways you guys are talking about it will not precipitate withdrawls at all and they actually synergize together for some reason. When i would go out of town for work and couldnt get enough oxy or whatever opiate suboxone and tramadol was my favorite combo it is different but it is a lot better than just sub or just tram
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I have taken both tramadol and suboxone at the same time one after the other in both ways you guys are talking about it will not precipitate withdrawls at all and they actually synergize together for some reason. When i would go out of town for work and couldnt get enough oxy or whatever opiate suboxone and tramadol was my favorite combo it is different but it is a lot better than just sub or just tram
I would say that your normal sub dose and then for me (i weigh about 165) and i would usually wake up and eat like 4 of the 37.5mg trammys and the combo last for quite awhile and i would compare it to like an energetic type high and it also made cigs good which is one thing i loved about snortin oxy was cigs after but i dont recommend anything that is just my experience
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cire113
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I know less is more with sub but dam ... I need to take atleast 6mgs a day to not go in withdrawal ... Do the math about 30% absorption....
I tried going down to 4 or 2 mgs a day but felt like shit...
I even tried taking a whole 8mg once and felt amazing compared to a 2mg dose....
So maybe less is more till u reach the ceiling? I believe the true ceiling to be around 4mg for most ppl...
I'm gonna try tomorrow taking 1mg doses every 6 hrs
I tried going down to 4 or 2 mgs a day but felt like shit...
I even tried taking a whole 8mg once and felt amazing compared to a 2mg dose....
So maybe less is more till u reach the ceiling? I believe the true ceiling to be around 4mg for most ppl...
I'm gonna try tomorrow taking 1mg doses every 6 hrs
SubDude
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Has anyone else had bad effects with trams/subs mix. I have access to ultram which i believe is the same as tramadol. I not only worry about PWD's but also seizures. I know both these 2 effect people in different ways so the combo seems kinda risky??
Ultram is the same and as long as you dont go nuts and do a bunch you are fine.........like stay under 200 mg's to be on the safe side
Captain.Heroin
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Keep in mind you were using a high dose of full agonists, and this does play a role into how Suboxone will work on you.
Also, stay on Suboxone at an appropriate dose as long as you need until you feel less "bad" by tapering.
When I was using Suboxone at these doses, it didn't take long for me to start tapering down but nonetheless, it is different for everyone. Eventually it'll feel "good" to take less, when your body finally recovers fully. At this time hopefully you will have less cravings (if you are still having any at all - I am not sure).
Good luck though and I wish you the best.
cire113
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^^^ yeah the reason i keep taking more sub is because of the cravings im having... im really trying hard to stay on sub.. if that means taking "more" just so i dont relapse so be it.. if it mentally or physically helps
caseface99
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I find bupe to be a crutch that allows you to abuse full agonists with confidence knowing you (almost)never have to withdraw since you have a scrip of subs. Now that i am off of bupe i have no desire to abuse heroin because i know im fucked if i do, to the point where i did it a few weeks ago once and haven't gone back for more yet, or even thought about getting more for that matter. I don't know though, maybe the absurdly prolonged suffering bupe has been putting me through is enough of a deterrent itself.
muvolution
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yeah, case, couldn't really have put that better myself.
Personally, after having to switch to bupe after pain management went wrong, I now take my full agonist medications like, well, medications. It's just way different than before when I would do anything to go through them as quickly as possible.
Personally, after having to switch to bupe after pain management went wrong, I now take my full agonist medications like, well, medications. It's just way different than before when I would do anything to go through them as quickly as possible.
bwanajzj
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^Bupe also seems to have triggered something in my brain that puts me off full agonists, especially short acting ones like heroin (which used to be my DOC)... But with that said, my honeymoon phase with Bupe is well over with, and I had a binge recently where I became fond of benzos, during which I also took a bunch of different full-agonists (codeine, heroin, morphine, methadone, ketobemidone). What I realized was that as soon as I reached the peak of effect with the full-agonist opiates, I would be left completely dissatisfied and felt like I wasted my money, and impatient for the opiates to leave my system so that I could re-dose my subs, even though I'm through my honeymoon phase with them I still prefer Bupe over H... Anyways, to put it short, give me a long acting, low dose drug that rocks my boat without the acute wds of full agonits opiates, and I'm good, otherwise, I don't really want to bother... and be careful with benzo's, a few weeks of uninterrupted use/abuse and you're left living solely in the moment - which can be a good thing if not drug induced and if your memory isn't fucked to pieces, which is the case with most benzos at recreative doses - back to the point... you're left in the moment, looking for the next pile of pills to munch.
Speaking of which... my honeymoon phase is over, so I seek satisfaction other places, like by smoking weed or getting benzos (although that is hopefully a closed chapter)... And I am near the end of my taper off Bupe... My point is, that I want to get off Bupe and opiates, but I don't think that I am entirely ready to make the jump, even though I hit zero in just about two weeks. I don't think the clinic is willing to prescribe Tramadol, for example, or benzos, once I have become 'drug-free' and my normal doctor doesn't know that I am in ORT and would probably wonder a little if I came by asking for strong pain medication without really having 'pain'... Kratom and Kava are illegal where I live, and it is almost impossible to get a prescription for any meds in my case... Is there anything, legit, that any of you can recommend, to make the jump easier? Loperamide is an expensive but OTC option, but not exactly the route I want to take. I think I have an anxiety problem in terms of staying clean, and I am looking for an acute way of treating this anxiety, for the first couple of weeks/months of being off Bupe...
Speaking of which... my honeymoon phase is over, so I seek satisfaction other places, like by smoking weed or getting benzos (although that is hopefully a closed chapter)... And I am near the end of my taper off Bupe... My point is, that I want to get off Bupe and opiates, but I don't think that I am entirely ready to make the jump, even though I hit zero in just about two weeks. I don't think the clinic is willing to prescribe Tramadol, for example, or benzos, once I have become 'drug-free' and my normal doctor doesn't know that I am in ORT and would probably wonder a little if I came by asking for strong pain medication without really having 'pain'... Kratom and Kava are illegal where I live, and it is almost impossible to get a prescription for any meds in my case... Is there anything, legit, that any of you can recommend, to make the jump easier? Loperamide is an expensive but OTC option, but not exactly the route I want to take. I think I have an anxiety problem in terms of staying clean, and I am looking for an acute way of treating this anxiety, for the first couple of weeks/months of being off Bupe...
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Captain.Heroin
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Yeah but that's not true for everyone on it. I have been exclusively on buprenorphine for a long time, and haven't used heroin in a very long time. I haven't experienced cravings for years now.
Just go through with your taper, and focus on a well balanced diet and exercise.
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I go 0.25 mg of xanax no feeling. Should I increase and take 2 and Suboxene two a day. Will the two be ok to take.
Znegative
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depends what your tolerance to suboxone is. if you take it as maintenance, then yeah that should be a good starting dose for benzo's, you should feel it ( I did when I had no benzo tolerance). I feel that xanax goes amazingly well with suboxone compared to the few other benzo's I've tried (librium, lorazepam, clonazepam, diazepam, and I found halcion too strong the one time I took it) It kind of synergizes with that speedy buzz that subs give you, but it also makes your feel really relaxed and talkative, kind of a contradiction, but that's what it is. I'd love to try some temazepam though, heard that's great, or midazolam.
I agree with Bwanazjz in his post above. I now have sort of found that even with my honey moon phase of bupe over, I still do not really crave opiates at all. Of course if you put a bundle of heroin or some opana in front of me I'd jump up and do it in a second, but suboxone gets you used to a life without the constant redosing of short acting opiates which becomes really nice, and every time I get off of it and switch back to heroin I become incredibly regretful because IMO it makes the switch back to bupe harder each time, and I find the compulsive need to use heroin get's worse and worse every time I relapse, to the point where I'll want to buy say, some benzo's but I'll fear running out of dope so much that I spend every penny on that instead, when I'm not even enjoying it that much, just fearing the withdrawal.
However I feel like part of the reason that bupe works for me is that I have polysubstance abuse problem like many opiate users do. I have problems with benzo's and stimulants (especially cocaine). Once I'm on suboxone the opiate cravings are gone, but the coke cravings SOAR to the point where I want to kill myself instead of having to experience such vivid euphoric recall when I know I don't have the money to buy it. I used to think it was just a needle thing, but shooting up other drugs like my bupe, or my bupe with diphenhydramine would have taken care of that then. It's that fucking coke rush that destroys me, and ultimately once I get the money I become enslaved to that, and that's usually when I actually really bottom out. Shooting coke doesn't end well for anyone.
So in that way I feel bupe just allows me to focus on my other addictions. Without it, when I start going into withdrawal I fiend dope. If I completely detox off bupe and stay clean for months, I gaurantee the first drug I go back to will be an opiate because that's the nature of my addiction. SO I stay on bupe, and am trying super hard to cope with my other cravings, though sometimes it seems to be just too much.
I agree with Bwanazjz in his post above. I now have sort of found that even with my honey moon phase of bupe over, I still do not really crave opiates at all. Of course if you put a bundle of heroin or some opana in front of me I'd jump up and do it in a second, but suboxone gets you used to a life without the constant redosing of short acting opiates which becomes really nice, and every time I get off of it and switch back to heroin I become incredibly regretful because IMO it makes the switch back to bupe harder each time, and I find the compulsive need to use heroin get's worse and worse every time I relapse, to the point where I'll want to buy say, some benzo's but I'll fear running out of dope so much that I spend every penny on that instead, when I'm not even enjoying it that much, just fearing the withdrawal.
However I feel like part of the reason that bupe works for me is that I have polysubstance abuse problem like many opiate users do. I have problems with benzo's and stimulants (especially cocaine). Once I'm on suboxone the opiate cravings are gone, but the coke cravings SOAR to the point where I want to kill myself instead of having to experience such vivid euphoric recall when I know I don't have the money to buy it. I used to think it was just a needle thing, but shooting up other drugs like my bupe, or my bupe with diphenhydramine would have taken care of that then. It's that fucking coke rush that destroys me, and ultimately once I get the money I become enslaved to that, and that's usually when I actually really bottom out. Shooting coke doesn't end well for anyone.
So in that way I feel bupe just allows me to focus on my other addictions. Without it, when I start going into withdrawal I fiend dope. If I completely detox off bupe and stay clean for months, I gaurantee the first drug I go back to will be an opiate because that's the nature of my addiction. SO I stay on bupe, and am trying super hard to cope with my other cravings, though sometimes it seems to be just too much.
If you've been on bupe a long time, I'm curious: have you had your liver enzymes tested? Mine were "perfect" according to my GP when I got them tested six months ago (when I was abusing oxy and methadone like it was going out of style). I had them tested again a couple of weeks ago prior to being put on a medication--I was on 4mg of bupe at the time--and the enzymes were so elevated he wouldn't put me on the other meds and is shipping me off to a specialist.
maybe I'm just part of a small percentage of people who gets this side effect. I can't help it if I'm lucky...
or maybe my liver is reacting to the lack of dope?
maybe I'm just part of a small percentage of people who gets this side effect. I can't help it if I'm lucky...
or maybe my liver is reacting to the lack of dope?
caseface99
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^^ Why would that be, if opiates aren't hepatoxic?
SECONAL
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I don't know if this is true or not - But doesn't alcohol potentate bupe?
Once after injecting Subutex and drinking a vodka a few minutes behind it gave off a really good euphoria.
Once after injecting Subutex and drinking a vodka a few minutes behind it gave off a really good euphoria.
bwanajzj
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Axactly what I am doing right now... bicycling hundreds of km's, walking a lot, running, and eating as healthy as I can within my budget, and on most days I feel great, I just have a tendency to get distracted and want more (such as benzo binge) and now supplements for the initial zero bupe phase. But you are right, if I can stick to your recommendations (the same thing that my instincts tell me) then I will be fine, just looking for options, if need be. I have had a sporadic way of going about this taper, which has created ups and downs of euphoria and then anxiety/'depression', but once the drugs are out of my system, my emotions should balance, and with time this rollecoaster ride will be over with. I have faith in myself, but still would like input on OTC mild alternatives.
bwanajzj
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I can follow you, and that is where my anxiety comes from, the feeling of having too large cravings for basically anything that will get you high, with as little down-side as possible, but the chase seem to be too much to cope with... but it's just a never ending circle of chasing that perfect high, and maybe one should wait till someone else finds it. Small dose, long lasting, no adverse side effects, huge mental and psychoactive benefits, as well as physical well being.
Captain.Heroin
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Nope I haven't, sorry. I have no idea.
I don't particularly like ethanol but some people like combining the two. Buprenorphine tends to peak a few minutes after being injected, so that makes sense to me.
My dermatologist asked if I had been drinking before the blood test, but I don't drink and I don't inject bupe (or snort it, for that matter). When I took the test I'd been clean of everything but bupe for at least a couple of weeks. Actually I don't take anything as of yesterday morning, but that's another story. Hopefully the enzymes will be better soon.
A quick search on google showed other people experiencing this (no idea why), so I was curious if long-term bupe persons get their livers checked.
A quick search on google showed other people experiencing this (no idea why), so I was curious if long-term bupe persons get their livers checked.
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