2C-E: One Dead and ten hospitalized.

[sub-di]

Exactly. However they can tarnish the reputation of drugs in the eyes of a skeptical public, they will, and they won't lose any sleep over it.

Drugs are a prime threat to people's view of 'national security'. Like false-flag terrorism, drugs are a reason to start wars. The ignorance is alive and thriving, and the governments and their media arms only need to fan the flames to keep it alive. It's never really about protecting people from themselves. It's about money; it's about greed; it's about preserving the empire.

The crucial point of this story which most people will miss is not about 2C-E or dodgy dealers, it's about the irresponsible and unhealthy nature of mankind's relationship with himself and his environment.

I think it also makes politicians feel they are being useful, or at least making appearances as such. They need a pool of good deeds they can point to when reelection time comes around, you know, for advertisement. They have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, and anti-drug legislation falls right in line with the mainstream way of thinking. Not to mention it offers the double-whammy bonus of bipartisan support by default, because nobody wants to look soft on drugs.

After all, drugs crime and violence are all one in the same. All drug use is abuse, etc, etc. Of course, I'm sure many of them actually believe this nonsense. The rest are, as you say, maintaining the empire. There is far more profit to be had keeping drugs illegal, and keeping people ignorant, especially the poor masses.

For those who have a more enlightened view (or are not totally corrupt), few have the courage to admit that prohibition is counter-productive, out of fear of being marginalized. It's doubtful this will change in any significant way in my lifetime.

 

[DwayneHoover]

Wouldn't surprise me if he had other drugs in his system and that's what caused it. I don't think 2C-E is what really killed him.

Also some (friends), dumping him off in a hospital parking lot to pretty much die. This dude was 19 years old with a kid, what a waste.

1. We dont really know it was 2c-e. There are posts here saying it was MDPV. I bet the cops just searched the sellers house and found a baggie of 2c-e on hand and so they said thats what it was.

2. There are posts here by someone claiming to know this crowd, and they say his friends did not "dump" him, but they went into the ER with him.

3. The real tragedy, as it is posted earlier, what his brother is said to feel, that if they had called 911 then the EMS people could have given him immediate intervention, instead of driving to the ER, waiting for admittance, etc. Quite possibly would have survived. MORAL: CALL 911 IN A SERIOUS CRISIS!!!

4. Real "cause" is all the hyper-negative law-enforcement assholeism around drugs... THATS what his friends were really afraid of (being busted/harassed/etc) and why they did not call 911... another death due to anti-drug propaganda/laws.

 

[Shambles]

On the MDPV possibility thing - bear in mind this would also be the one and only case of a fatal MDPV overdose (and peev is a drug that has been seriously abused in massive overdose by noobs many times) so would also be a hell of a shock to those who have used and abused that godly chem for years very heavily and never seen or heard a hint of physical danger from it. "Bath salts" are a whole other matter...

 

[sub-di]

1. We dont really know it was 2c-e. There are posts here saying it was MDPV. I bet the cops just searched the sellers house and found a baggie of 2c-e on hand and so they said thats what it was.

2. There are posts here by someone claiming to know this crowd, and they say his friends did not "dump" him, but they went into the ER with him.

3. The real tragedy, as it is posted earlier, what his brother is said to feel, that if they had called 911 then the EMS people could have given him immediate intervention, instead of driving to the ER, waiting for admittance, etc. Quite possibly would have survived. MORAL: CALL 911 IN A SERIOUS CRISIS!!!

4. Real "cause" is all the hyper-negative law-enforcement assholeism around drugs... THATS what his friends were really afraid of (being busted/harassed/etc) and why they did not call 911... another death due to anti-drug propaganda/laws.

I posted the bit about the MDPV, a quote from a comment posted to one of they City Pages articles, by a person claiming to "run with the same scene" as the people involved, and who knew a dealer who sold him MDPV misrepresented as molly, and this dealer was a friend of the actual dealer involved in this mess. So take it with a grain of salt, it's very likely unreliable (I suppose I should have done a better job of emphasizing this when I posted it).

That being said, it could very well be MDPV, or a combination of things, but as has been pointed out after the toxicology report finally comes back it's not as if media will run a correction on it, so we'll likely never know.

Totally agree that fear of legal consequences can definitely play a role in overdose death. We don't have enough information to make that call in this case, but it surely does illustrate how drug laws can add to the danger.

 

[doodahman1969]

As predicted, that didn't take long.

Dangerous Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011

Here it goes. A bunch of unrelated stuff in one bill.

Thank you backwater Minnesota.

 

[BlueCherokee]

Quite unfortunate. This makes legal psychoactives look like a bad idea =/

You definitely need to be cautious about what you're buying and know how to use it properly.

 

[Shambles]

Quite unfortunate. This makes legal psychoactives look like a bad idea =/

2C-x is not legal unless you live in the US, as far as I know. Has been Class A for 30 years in the UK. Not sure about elsewhere but probably a mixed bag. Legality means shit all.

I do agree with your second point though - do your research and you don't end up dead but do have plenty sexyfuntimes along the way.

 

[DwayneHoover]

Quite unfortunate. This makes legal psychoactives look like a bad idea =/

You definitely need to be cautious about what you're buying and know how to use it properly.

Yea, and dont go snorting mass quantities of miscellaneous white powders supplied by dealers who bear a striking resemblance to Neanderthal Man, no matter what he tells you it is and how to use it.

 

[twelvesevndi]

On the MDPV possibility thing - bear in mind this would also be the one and only case of a fatal MDPV overdose (and peev is a drug that has been seriously abused in massive overdose by noobs many times) so would also be a hell of a shock to those who have used and abused that godly chem for years very heavily and never seen or heard a hint of physical danger from it. "Bath salts" are a whole other matter...

yes it seems like whatever the drug in question the death was probably a result of traumatic brain injury. or perhaps the combination of a mild concussion and excessive sedation. (dunno if either of these could kill necessarily, but if it was the drugs it seems he would have had to have taken an unbelievably large dose -and presumably a relatively expensive one- or some sort of combination).

i don't think the "overdose" symptoms don't really help us identify the drug, unfortunately. I bet going through that experience on either of those drugs would shake a person up pretty bad.

bad bad news about that bill... im sure the powers that be are going to make sure that bill goes through since its primarily about cannabinoids.... basically just turning that failed emergency DEA schedule into law...
felt pretty stupid about impulsively buying an extra gram of 2c-e (low price!) a few weeks ago but it seems like it was a brilliant idea now.

 

[e1evene1even]

Klobuchar to Introduce Legislation to Ban Synthetic Drug 2C-E
http://klobuchar.senate.gov/newsreleases_detail.cfm?id=332079&

This is insanity!

 

[killermunchies]

Klobuchar to Introduce Legislation to Ban Synthetic Drug 2C-E
http://klobuchar.senate.gov/newsreleases_detail.cfm?id=332079&

This is insanity!

While this is definitely bad news, it's not necessarily the end of 2C-E. A lot of bills like this don't end up going anywhere. It might get banned by some states, but other drugs have gotten way more bad press and are still legal on a federal level, like salvia for instance. All we can do is wait it out and hope it blows over.

 

[nemesys]

can anyone find a link the the actual piece of legislation being introduced? I only found media releases from 5 different senators all trying to claim they introduced it.

 

[twelvesevndi]

^i'm also curious to see which cannabinoids are in there.

tbf 2c-e has yet to even be proposed to be added to the bill so my above post is quite speculative.

 

[sub-di]

Dangerous Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011

Here it goes. A bunch of unrelated stuff in one bill.

Thank you backwater Minnesota.

I sort of resent that statement, though I admit I am a bit embarrassed it happened here. We do have our share of bumpkins, but over all we are actually still considered a progressive and left leaning state, well maybe not according to the last election cycle, but that was a nation wide phenomenon.

 

[Apollo Matta]

so sad to hear

This scares me a little bit.
im planning my first 2c-e trip for may,
doing alcohol dilution for liquid measure (highest proof i can find, hopefully 95%)
It is still legal in canada, only 2c-b is banned,
this is the kind of media we do not want though..
deaths on a substance, that is supposed to be 2c-e.
how can they not be sure?
its either 2c-e or isnt,
and if 2c-e becomes illegal because people overdosed on another drug,
that is just ridiculously immature and irrational of our government.
its like how the us thinks mushrooms have no medical value and high abuse potential
so its schedule one,
WTF is wrong with people.
ive heard of people taking over 60 mg of 2c-e and not only surviving but taking something from the experience that has benefited their every day life.
this makes me wonder if drugs should be controlled and not banned,
so that experienced psychonauts can use these new chemicals
while people who are inexperienced, immature and irrational will not have access to them,
so that shit like this dosnt happen and ruin it for all of us.
i hope this just slides so 2c's remain in their semi legal domain.

 

[IamMe90]

people have IV'd in excess of 250mg with no danger before according to wiki

 

[Apollo Matta]

so i dont understand how someone can DIE on 2c-e,
unless they took something rediculous like a whole gram,
but then all i have to say is how,
how many pills<
do they have a computer,
erowid...
when i first started hearing about this you dont know how angry i felt,
then it just turned to sadness,
great another LSD, DOM,
now hard to find,.

 

[sub-di]

so i dont understand how someone can DIE on 2c-e,
unless they took something rediculous like a whole gram,
but then all i have to say is how,
how many pills<
do they have a computer,
erowid...
when i first started hearing about this you dont know how angry i felt,
then it just turned to sadness,
great another LSD, DOM,
now hard to find,.

Snorting massive quantities could do it, and apparently that's what these guys were doing. We won't know before the toxicology report, but it's very doubtful the media will report on it.

My local media did issue a brief blurb today that the dealer has been officially charged with 3rd degree murder, and again stated the drug involved was 2C-E. They did not say the suspected drug, but stated as if it's a definitive fact, which is of course irresponsible journalism before the results of said toxicology report are made public.

It's shortsighted for the government to ban any substance, regardless of overdose potential. It's clearly counterproductive in terms of harm reduction, and uses resources that could go to much better use on education and treatment instead of the costs associated with criminalization (human and economic costs).

Edit: as this is the first potential 2C-E related death, we don't know exactly how much it takes to overdose. This is a real risk with research chemicals, in that we don't indeed know what the LD 50 is, it's uncharted territory. I think it's reasonable to suspect a multiple drug interaction in this case, but again we may never know.

 

[sub-di]

Klobuchar to Introduce Legislation to Ban Synthetic Drug 2C-E
http://klobuchar.senate.gov/newsreleases_detail.cfm?id=332079&

This is insanity!

She states,

"These dangerous drugs pose serious risks to the public and have tragically killed and injured Minnesotans,”said Klobuchar. “These drugs should be made illegal and the chemicals used to make them should be banned so that they can no longer be easily purchased online and in stores around the country. We need to take action now before these substances endanger any more lives.”

I'd like her to site the other deaths in our state associated with "these dangerous chemicals".

I don't know how they would go after the precursors that are primarily used in other countries to manufacture these chemicals. I think she's getting a little ahead of herself here. But a blanket ban does look to be in the works, if not fully thought out as of yet. I knew it was only a matter of time...

 

[nearjat]

For real ashamed to live in the same state as this idiocy. To be fair I've seen equal amounts of sensible RC distribution and complete fucktards without scales ordering grams of 2C-x. Other than improper education I hate how easy it is to access this shit. Not too long ago it was unlikely you'd come across a source unless you were already in the know of the RC market and the chemicals involved. Pretty sure you can google the IUPAC or even simpler now and have a functioning vendor on your screen.