Any psych users in here that don't tolerate Cannabis?

[Voxide]

To anyone who has panic attacks/doesn't like the effect of weed, where do you stand as far as psychedelics go?

 

[gannetsarewe]

couldnt smoke for years but could easily take large doses of mushies and fair amounts of acid without the hellish paranoid introversion that hash and weed gave me.

 

[YellowNikes]

yep love psychedelics can handle them well, but i cant handle weed in ANY social situation. lsd yes weed no...

 

[<<ellisd>>]

Psychedelics and ellisd gets along quite fine.

Weed and ellisd = anxiety/anti-social effects.

Psychedelics and weed together causes the above weed effects + a more intense trip and sometimes unpleasant.

I do not consume cannabis for these reasons.

 

[Charleston_Car]

I really like MDMA and mushrooms sometimes, but I can't smoke weed because it gives me fucked up thoughts about myself that are really uncomfortable.
Did K for the first time last night, at some points it almost felt like a weed high, in a different way but somewhat similar at times

 

[Voxide]

Good to hear. After experiencing an extremely frightening Cannabis panic attack that resulted in vomiting and hearing voices, I was pretty disappointed that I can't tolerate such a basic psychoactive.

Damn, really is nice to see that I'm not alone. Weed really isn't for everybody. I Just hope that my negative experience with it won't have any effect on basic psychedelics.

 

[Survived Abortion]

Cannabis does my head in too. I never really tolerated it well, even when I started experimenting with it when I was 16 or so. It used to bother me that all my peers could smoke without any problems and I was the odd one out. That was a very long time ago, 13 years or more. I realize now that weed simply brought some subconscious problems close to the surface, just not close enough to recognize what they were.

Even when I was on medication to "treat" anxiety, I still couldn't use cannabis without freaking to some extent. But I started using psychedelics at university and had no problems in that respect. Psychedelic drugs are a whole other level. I think that any anxiogenic responses they produce, they at least show you a reason for why you are feeling that way, and you are able (depending on your level of experience) to respond to them and come through it. With weed, it's just lurking in the background, pulling the strings out of sight.

I have occasionally in recent years smoked with friends, mostly just a little when high on something else, and have been able to kind of flow with it to a certain extent. But it's definitely not something I go for by default, and I most often turn it down if it's offered. Sometimes I've smoked it out of a hookah with fruit tobacco with friends just for novelty. A few years ago I had a memorable ketamine trip where two friends and I got semi-holed and smoked weed producing a very strange and interesting space indeed.

I've also used the Spice products on occasion, and suprisingly enough found them tolerable at low enough doses, although I can see where people can go wrong with them.

Psychedelic drugs all the way though; I find the cannabis high to be somewhat murky and lacking in clarity, and this can also impede on the lucidity of a psychedelic high. I'm not a big fan of combos anyway, so weed is definitely not what I think of when deciding to make a psychedelic cocktail.

 

[allium]

It is a bit offtopic, but bot Alexander and Ann Shulgin writes that they dislike weed in TiHKAL.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

cannabis is a godsend for me,
but then again im very hyperactive, and love its enhancing and relaxation properties.

 

[tBirdee]

Good to hear. After experiencing an extremely frightening Cannabis panic attack that resulted in vomiting and hearing voices, I was pretty disappointed that I can't tolerate such a basic psychoactive.

Damn, really is nice to see that I'm not alone. Weed really isn't for everybody. I Just hope that my negative experience with it won't have any effect on basic psychedelics.

I would have to say Cannabis is anything but a 'basic' psychoactive.

Cannabis gave me pretty bad anxiety for around a year after I had a pretty bad panic attack, it's just starting to go away now.

Coincidentally I just ate 3 grams of mushrooms, which I haven't had in a while, and plan to smoke in about an hour, I'll report back later with my findings.

 

[Voxide]

Cannabis does my head in too. I never really tolerated it well, even when I started experimenting with it when I was 16 or so. It used to bother me that all my peers could smoke without any problems and I was the odd one out. That was a very long time ago, 13 years or more. I realize now that weed simply brought some subconscious problems close to the surface, just not close enough to recognize what they were.

Even when I was on medication to "treat" anxiety, I still couldn't use cannabis without freaking to some extent. But I started using psychedelics at university and had no problems in that respect. Psychedelic drugs are a whole other level. I think that any anxiogenic responses they produce, they at least show you a reason for why you are feeling that way, and you are able (depending on your level of experience) to respond to them and come through it. With weed, it's just lurking in the background, pulling the strings out of sight.

I have occasionally in recent years smoked with friends, mostly just a little when high on something else, and have been able to kind of flow with it to a certain extent. But it's definitely not something I go for by default, and I most often turn it down if it's offered. Sometimes I've smoked it out of a hookah with fruit tobacco with friends just for novelty. A few years ago I had a memorable ketamine trip where two friends and I got semi-holed and smoked weed producing a very strange and interesting space indeed.

I've also used the Spice products on occasion, and suprisingly enough found them tolerable at low enough doses, although I can see where people can go wrong with them.

Psychedelic drugs all the way though; I find the cannabis high to be somewhat murky and lacking in clarity, and this can also impede on the lucidity of a psychedelic high. I'm not a big fan of combos anyway, so weed is definitely not what I think of when deciding to make a psychedelic cocktail.

You explained this perfectly. I figured that since Cannabis is considered a mild hallucinogen, the thought of trying a "real" hallucinogen blew my mind during this panic attack. Though, it isn't really the same thing at all, since all of these chemicals act on different parts of the brain. Others have suggested that activation of the cannabinoid receptors is the cause of cannabis panic trips and anxiety, but personally, the entire high itself isn't very desirable to me. It's most frightening to me during the first 10 minutes. Suddenly, I lose attachment from my surroundings. All the familiar places look like something brand new. The time I enjoy it the most is 2 hours after the main effects wear off. I'm left with a calm, benzo-like feeling that makes it really easy to sleep. But as far as the body tripping mind fuck, forget about it.

It is a bit offtopic, but bot Alexander and Ann Shulgin writes that they dislike weed in TiHKAL.

Not really off topic at all. In fact, I thank you for sharing this fact. Never knew that.

I would have to say Cannabis is anything but a 'basic' psychoactive.

Cannabis gave me pretty bad anxiety for around a year after I had a pretty bad panic attack, it's just starting to go away now.

Coincidentally I just ate 3 grams of mushrooms, which I haven't had in a while, and plan to smoke in about an hour, I'll report back later with my findings.

You're right. That was a stupid word to use. I don't really mean basic in the nature of effects, oh, hell no. They are anything but. I should have said common/widely used/generally accepted.

 

[Ismene]

Never got anything out of cannabis. Just end up pinned to the settee and falling asleep.

But I take psychedelics in doses high enough to stun a charging elephant so ymmv.

 

[Shambles]

I psyches and I cannabis... but I cannabis far less than I psyches. I'm glad both are around if required but if I had to pick one or t'other then it's psyches all the way. Cannabis is more a side-dish, to be honest. A very enjoyable side-dish, for sure. But is less and less of interest to me as time passes by. Used to be a total spliff-monster. Now I really can't get that excited about it so don't really indulge that much anymore. Especially since the prices got so ridiculous in the UK and all you can get is fuckin' skunk on steroids stuff that just fucks yer head with little or no actually pleasant stoning properties. Once the kiddiez learn the value of balancing THC with CBD I'll be more interested. Till then it's a bit of a shit drug these days, to be honest.

 

[superelephant]

The time I enjoy it the most is 2 hours after the main effects wear off. I'm left with a calm, benzo-like feeling that makes it really easy to sleep. But as far as the body tripping mind fuck, forget about it.

I used to be the same. I only enjoyed that last part. I was smoking to much seriously, try taking like half a hit if one is to much, or making a very lightly dosed edible. try and get sativa if you can.

The cannabis high is beautiful, it's worth pursuing. I am glad I did so and what you describe was definitely my first response as well.

Now the response is extraordinary euphoria accompanied by unrivaled enhancement of aesthetic beauty.

Edit: Oh yeah, I love psyches as well.

 

[Voxide]

I used to be the same. I only enjoyed that last part. I was smoking to much seriously, try taking like half a hit if one is to much, or making a very lightly dosed edible. try and get sativa if you can.

The cannabis high is beautiful, it's worth pursuing. I am glad I did so and what you describe was definitely my first response as well.

Now the response is extraordinary euphoria accompanied by unrivaled enhancement of aesthetic beauty.

Edit: Oh yeah, I love psyches as well.

No doubt. My panic attack scared the shit out of me for a good 24 hours.

I will definitely give it another shot when I feel ready. Definitely not touching anything better than mids. I think .2g - .3g would set me straight. Till then I'm just going to try and forget what that panic attack felt like. It was almost therapeutic. I really feel like I've been to hell and back through those 3 hours of misery. This might seem laughable to the seasoned psych veteran, but it was quite a big experience for me. Unfortunately I have read reports on erowid that claim the panic is purely from any Cannabinoid receptor activity. This would mean that it doesn't matter whether it's 1 drag off a joint of an eight to the dome. The result will be the same. Only one way to find out.

I'm just having difficulty finding out if this panic is from my body simply not responding well, or my mind just really disliking the effects.

 

[Shambles]

I'd say panic attacks are caused by the sillystrong hybrids with massive amounts of THC content and virtually zero CBD content that are so popular recently, myself. There's a great documentary where the reporter is given an IV shot of pure THC one day (complete paranoid schizo meltdown ensues) and then an IV shot with a sensible balance of THC and CBD (a la oldskool weed) the next week (loves it, giggly as fuck, totally different drug). THC sends you nuts unless it's balanced by the anti-psychotic properties of CBD. Hybridisation has just gotten way outta hand and the yoof of today know shit about what cannabis is meant to be, in my opinion. "Mids" (probably much more like oldskool weed) should see you right on the paranoia front, I would suggest.

 

[Voxide]

I'd say panic attacks are caused by the sillystrong hybrids with massive amounts of THC content and virtually zero CBD content that are so popular recently, myself. There's a great documentary where the reporter is given an IV shot of pure THC one day (complete paranoid schizo meltdown ensues) and then an IV shot with a sensible balance of THC and CBD (a la oldskool weed) the next week (loves it, giggly as fuck, totally different drug). THC sends you nuts unless it's balanced by the anti-psychotic properties of CBD. Hybridisation has just gotten way outta hand and the yoof of today know shit about what cannabis is meant to be, in my opinion. "Mids" (probably much more like oldskool weed) should see you right on the paranoia front, I would suggest.

Funny thing is, the panic attack WAS from mid-grade. Though I neglected the fact that I smoked from a blunt. I'm not a tobacco smoker. Zero nicotine tolerance. The tobacco present in the emptied cigar may have had some impact on the extreme dizziness and the vomiting that occurred. Going to give Cannabis a shot in the near future, either alone or with one other person. Balancing cannabinoids is definitely a big part in it also. Sativas which are usually much higher in THC than CBD tend to give those soaring head-rushes.

 

[Shambles]

I'm not at all familiar with the US weed scene (I'm guessing you're in the US?) so am not entirely sure what "Mids" are, to be honest. I just assumed they would be the step down from the uberhybridised THC behemoth strains that the kiddiez seem so fond of these days. I find the more traditional strains (ie not massively fucked about with to alter the ratios of THC:CBD and the rest) of weed and their associated hash playmates are far more conducive to a positive experience. Especially for those who find the current range of foolishness is completely missing the point.

I much prefer Sativas and always have done. High THC content is fine but the hybrids popular these last few years seem to have obliterated the small percentage of CBD they used to contain completely (or near enough) and ruined them

Also, you don't have to go smoking dicksize amounts to enjoy ganga. Take it slow and steady - some folks get far more from a lil tickle than they do from a cannabinoid cosh

/oldskool weed fanboy

 

[TheAppleCore]

^ Hmm... interesting. Didn't know about the THC : CBD ratio-bending.


But, in response to the OP, I'm going to have to raise my hand. Weed has always been pretty anxiogenic for me, and it's always been kind of an "effort" to get anything positive out of it. OTOH, it's almost impossible NOT to have the best time of my life on a strong dose of LSD. %)

Also, if I'm already coasting on acid, smoking weed actually becomes interesting and enjoyable.



But yeah, the idea that weed is like Acid Lite™ couldn't be farther from the truth.

 

[Shambles]

^ The massive change in THC:CBD ratios are what has ruined the weed scene, in my opinion. Only gotten bad in the last 10-15 years really. It's just since the kiddiez latched onto the idea that "THC overload" = "gets ya high as fuck" stuff without having the slightest clue about the other chemicals involved (CBD in particular) and how vital they are to the cannabis experience. They've utterly killed weed, in my opinion. Some of the recent hybrids could give Salvia a run for its money in the headfuck stakes. Those auld fellas that remember when Skunk was a relative rarity should know what I mean. The hybrids started off amazing and then went way off the rails and fucked the whole scene, in my opinion

PS: To make it clear, there are still some amazingly good recent hybrid strains but for the most part they're totally unbalanced schizo headfuck stuff, in my view. And I weed so it breaks my heart to see it. Or maybe I just turned pussy in my old age. Both hypotheses have merit.