Seeing a psychiatrist tomorrow

[NomeGrown]

If you are self medicating with DXM and you are getting any other effects then just basically feeling normal, you should stop. I say that because you said it enhances music and what not and gives you Euphoria. Talk to your doc and see what he can do for you.

 

[DroidOpioid]

tell ur doctor wats up
how its affectng ur life
the paxil dont work n u want some xanax
it will make you way less anxious
i feel liek something bad is gunna happen all the time
xanax helps alot alot

I don't like Benzodiazepines; they don't help and aren't that fun for me.

If you are self medicating with DXM and you are getting any other effects then just basically feeling normal, you should stop. I say that because you said it enhances music and what not and gives you Euphoria. Talk to your doc and see what he can do for you.

I've stopped DXM. Please read my last post. Lol. Pseudoephedrine makes me feel normal (except for a loss of appetite, but it isn't so bad I can't eat).

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

^That's good that you've stopped DXM use. Pseudoephedrine is still a stimulant, although it is much weaker than say, (dextro)amphetamine or even regular ephedrine. Of course these stimulants have their side effects as well.

Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are vary "dirty" feeling for some people (myself included) but if it's working for you than it's working for you. Amphetamines such as Adderall and Dexedrine that are used for ADD are much "cleaner" feeling (meaning less side effects), although that is subjective to say the least.

For people with ADD, amphetamines can decrease anxiety, as they help focus and attention...but for other people, amphetamines usually increase anxiety.

Be honest with your doctor, everybody is different but if you work with him/her and explore your treatment options, you will find what works for you.

I don't like Benzodiazepines; they don't help and aren't that fun for me.

Benzos can be hit-or-miss, but they are a good option for many people, barring the problems with addiction/dependence that they're so famous for. I personally think everybody who uses/has a prescription for amphetamine-like stimulants should be given at least a few benzos in case of a panic attack, anxiety and things of that nature.

Again, props for stopping use of DXM, long term usage of high doses fried a few of my good friends' brains in high school when tripping on DXM was all the rage. It's powerful stuff and I don't touch it anymore for that reason alone.

Best of luck man, and I hope everything works out well for you

 

[DroidOpioid]

^That's good that you've stopped DXM use. Pseudoephedrine is still a stimulant, although it is much weaker than say, (dextro)amphetamine or even regular ephedrine. Of course these stimulants have their side effects as well.

Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are vary "dirty" feeling for some people (myself included) but if it's working for you than it's working for you. Amphetamines such as Adderall and Dexedrine that are used for ADD are much "cleaner" feeling (meaning less side effects), although that is subjective to say the least.

For people with ADD, amphetamines can decrease anxiety, as they help focus and attention...but for other people, amphetamines usually increase anxiety.

Be honest with your doctor, everybody is different but if you work with him/her and explore your treatment options, you will find what works for you.




Benzos can be hit-or-miss, but they are a good option for many people, barring the problems with addiction/dependence that they're so famous for. I personally think everybody who uses/has a prescription for amphetamine-like stimulants should be given at least a few benzos in case of a panic attack, anxiety and things of that nature.

Again, props for stopping use of DXM, long term usage of high doses fried a few of my good friends' brains in high school when tripping on DXM was all the rage. It's powerful stuff and I don't touch it anymore for that reason alone.

Best of luck man, and I hope everything works out well for you

Thanks. I have some questions regarding ADHD medication.

Isn't Pseudoephedrine just another amphetamine, slightly modified so that less of it affects the Central Nervous System? If so, considering how closely its structure resembles that of Methamphetamine, shouldn't it have near identical effects on the Peripheral Nervous System in terms of range and potency as Methamphetamine? Or is there some other chemical property of Methamphetamine that I'm unaware of, which Pseudoephedrine doesn't have.

Pseudoephedrine is alpha-hydroxy-methamphetamine, right? So it is a meth molecule with an extra Oxygen and Hydrogen?

I haven't noticed Pseudoephedrine making my heart beat faster (ever) or irregularly, but it used to give me significant vasocontriction (Not sure if it actually does anymore). Now, after it wears off (like 10+ hours after I take it), it actually causes a rebound affect and my blood vessels dilate larger than normal. Sometimes it also makes my muscles feel sore, and I get groggy, but so far, there has never been a mental 'crash.' I merely slowly revert back to my old self.

Also, something pretty cool about this medicine is, whenever it starts to wear off, and I felt a little anxiety and/or depression coming on, if I go the gym and workout for like half an hour it is like it brings back most of the positive effects of the Suphedrine! Working out doesn't make me feel that much better if I'm completely sober, unfortunately.


My doctor said that at my next appointment he might see about putting me on medicine for ADD. I don't think he will recommend Strattera, knowing how Pseudoephedrine helps me so much already. If he offers to prescribe Adderall, should I suggest something 'cleaner' like Dexedrine? I've read that Adderall has more negative peripheral effects because it contains a lot of the l-isomer of amphetamine, which isn't nearly as useful as the d-isomer.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

Isn't Pseudoephedrine just another amphetamine, slightly modified so that less of it affects the Central Nervous System? If so, considering how closely its structure resembles that of Methamphetamine, shouldn't it have near identical effects on the Peripheral Nervous System in terms of range and potency as Methamphetamine? Or is there some other chemical property of Methamphetamine that I'm unaware of, which Pseudoephedrine doesn't have.

Just because the structures are the same doesn't mean the effects will be the same. Methamphetamine is much more active in both the PNS and CNS than pseudoephedrine is. However, the similarity in their structures is why its so easy to reduce ("cook") pseudoephedrine into methamphetamine.

I haven't noticed Pseudoephedrine making my heart beat faster (ever) or irregularly, but it used to give me significant vasocontriction (Not sure if it actually does anymore). Now, after it wears off (like 10+ hours after I take it), it actually causes a rebound affect and my blood vessels dilate larger than normal.

Vasoconstriction is the desired effect of decongestants, IIRC, as their supposed to dry out your nose/sinuses. I could be dead wrong though...

My doctor said that at my next appointment he might see about putting me on medicine for ADD. I don't think he will recommend Strattera, knowing how Pseudoephedrine helps me so much already. If he offers to prescribe Adderall, should I suggest something 'cleaner' like Dexedrine? I've read that Adderall has more negative peripheral effects because it contains a lot of the l-isomer of amphetamine, which isn't nearly as useful as the d-isomer.

Dexedrine is indeed more "clean" feeling than Adderall, exactly because of the reason you mentioned, Dexedrine doesn't have any levoamphetamine (the l-isomer), its nothing but dextroamphetamine (the d-isomer). I can't really tell you what to say to your doctor per the BL rules...but most doctors will try and put you on Adderall first, because it does indeed work better for some people than Dexedrine does.

There isn't too much harm in trying Adderall for your ADD. See if it works and if it doesn't, then tell your doctor you want to be switched to something else.

A friend of mine that has been prescribed basically everything under the sun for his severe ADHD/ADD prefers Adderall over Dexedrine because Dexedrine gives him panic attacks and a racing heart, whereas Adderall does not. Everybody is different, but be honest and open with your doctor about what works and what doesn't and you'll find a treatment option that works for you.

 

[DroidOpioid]

Just because the structures are the same doesn't mean the effects will be the same. Methamphetamine is much more active in both the PNS and CNS than pseudoephedrine is. However, the similarity in their structures is why its so easy to reduce ("cook") pseudoephedrine into methamphetamine.



Vasoconstriction is the desired effect of decongestants, IIRC, as their supposed to dry out your nose/sinuses. I could be dead wrong though...



Dexedrine is indeed more "clean" feeling than Adderall, exactly because of the reason you mentioned, Dexedrine doesn't have any levoamphetamine (the l-isomer), its nothing but dextroamphetamine (the d-isomer). I can't really tell you what to say to your doctor per the BL rules...but most doctors will try and put you on Adderall first, because it does indeed work better for some people than Dexedrine does.

There isn't too much harm in trying Adderall for your ADD. See if it works and if it doesn't, then tell your doctor you want to be switched to something else.

A friend of mine that has been prescribed basically everything under the sun for his severe ADHD/ADD prefers Adderall over Dexedrine because Dexedrine gives him panic attacks and a racing heart, whereas Adderall does not. Everybody is different, but be honest and open with your doctor about what works and what doesn't and you'll find a treatment option that works for you.

Thanks, you answered all my questions. I'll post back after my next appointment.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

Sounds good, keep us posted!

 

[DroidOpioid]

I don't know if this qualifies as being 'officially' diagnosed as ADHD, but my doctor had given me a couple of questionnaires; one for my parents, one for my teacher. I scored high enough to be warranted ADHD Inattentive, and after a bit of reviewing all the ADHD medications, especially stimulants, he prescribed me Adderall. This was a couple days ago, but tomorrow I will try my first Adderall dose: 5mg. I can only hope it is as potent as the 120mg Pseudoephedrine I've been taking.

I confirmed something I suspected earlier about working out on Pseudoephedrine: It greatly potentiates all the positive effects. It also makes it last longer. So I try to exercise while the medication is strongest, because it increases and lengthens its effects, sometimes doubling the subjective duration.

I always crash at around 6:00 p.m., 12 hours after taking my dose. It isn't really mental though; I've found that if I take a vitamin B12, I can usually prevent (and eliminate) anxiety or depression from the crash immediately. I still fall asleep without warning though; if I try to take a little nap, I'm sure to wake up like 2 or 3 hours later.

Still hoping that the Adderall works as well.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

I know this is sort of off-topic, but next time you take your vitamin B12 supplement, take a vitamin C (at least 500mg) supplement with it...it will help your comedown even more. I don't imagine you'll have much of a comedown at all from 5mg Adderall, but everybody is different.

 

[DroidOpioid]

I know this is sort of off-topic, but next time you take your vitamin B12 supplement, take a vitamin C (at least 500mg) supplement with it...it will help your comedown even more. I don't imagine you'll have much of a comedown at all from 5mg Adderall, but everybody is different.

Sure, I'll try that next time I have a crash from either stimulant. My doctor said if 5mg doesn't work, go up to 10mg. I would have liked to try to titrate by an even smaller increment, because I think that I can break it into 2.5mg, but I dunno. I would have moved up to 7.5mg after 5mg if it was up to me.

My parents won't even let me know where the pill bottle is. That is kind of a good thing, I guess, if it prevents me from abusing the medication. However, they aren't going to let me try 10mg until I wait at least a week with 5mg. I hope that 5mg is good, because if it isn't, it is going to suck to have to wait another week.

I wish I was 6 months older because I think then I would have the legal right to my own prescribed medication, right? But since I live with grandparents, I dunno.

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

You don't need to worry about a crash at all from 5mg. Don't worry

 

[DroidOpioid]

You don't need to worry about a crash at all from 5mg. Don't worry

I'm not really. By the way, I took a 5mg pill this morning at 6:00 a.m. It was a blue generic... looked pretty, kinda like turquoise. Lol. It tasted sweet too... better than Klonopin.

I wasn't expecting much, since 5mg seems pretty weak, but it works perfectly. Almost identical to 120mg Pseudoephedrine, except that it comes on slower and wears off smoother. And I haven't a headache from it like the Suphedrine, yet.

The main difference between the 2 is that Adderall seems to have less of an effect on my libido, unlike the Suphedrine which increased it a lot. Oh and it is lasting a little longer... it did make me slightly jittery at one point around 1:00p.m. today, and I didn't wanna stop tapping my foot, but it wasn't bad at all. The tradeoff is WELL worth it.

I'm glad I'm so sensitive to amphetamines. :D

I just hope that my tolerance doesn't go up as fast as people says it does. I never noticed the slightest bit of tolerance from Suphedrine, even though I only took it for 7 days.

The day isn't over; it is only 4:25 p.m. so I might have some more to mention later but for now, I'm all good.

Oh and, MOST importantly, Adderall gives me a good bit more motivation than Sudafed.

 

[DroidOpioid]

I am a psychiatrist in training. I have taken nearly every drug there is and have experienced incredible things firsthand. I am 21 years old and have gone through a great deal. Rather than write a book about my life or something like that, I've decided to use my experience to try and help people. I am damn proud of that.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

I don't really know.

Surgeon General, please keep posts on topic.