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hi guys,

I have some extracted DMT sitting around. I have only smoked DMT before, but I want to do oral DMT - I'm planning on taking 5g syrian rue in capsules and some amount of DMT in a cap 30 minutes later. This is because i RAELLY want to avoid drinking ayahuasca sludge as I already have a horriblly weak stomach and anything to reduce the initial nausea is welcomed (i mean literally the first 30 minutes so i don't puke before i can get effects).

so, I have 210mg of DMT left - how much should I use for the oral experience with 5g rue? (and for that matter, is my rue dosage right?) I'm wondering if I have enough to smoke and orally dose (I can have a breakthrough at 50mg smoked)... but I'm also wondering if I need to use a dramatically larger dose for oral ROA. thanks for the help guys! I'm very new to DMT.
 
Oral dosages vary *alot*. You might not have enough to find your sweet spot because you should always start low unless you don't mind risking a few hours in hyperspace.

A good dose for me is about 130.
 
Hmm

Does anyone have experience with "non breakthrough" oral dmt experiences, so to speak? because ive had some pretty sweet experiences with smoked dmt that were not breakthrough but nonetheless very intense.. is it possible to get this type of experience from oral dmt?
 
I'd say definitely do NOT go over 100mg for your first time, based on what I've read...

5 grams of Rue is plenty by the way, I think around ~3 grams should suffice, I could be wrong though mind you...
 
I'd say go for 200mg, at least. Oral DMT is very friendly and especially if you're already experienced with smoking DMT you won't have any problems.

If nothings happening half an hour after you've dropped the DMT try eating something like a bite of buttered toast as that seems to make it kick in.

But once the DMT has kicked in I'm afraid you probably will feel the need to throw up.

Non-breakthrough doses are just disappointing really. And I find re-dosing doesn't seem to work even tho the claim is you "don't have any tolerance to DMT".
 
yeah, I'm liking the idea of 200mg. I'm usually quite a hardhead with dosing (I enjoy 40 + mg doses of 2ce) and I want to make sure I don't waste my DMT...


and don't worry, i KNOW that i'll throw up. i throw up consistently from 2ce, i know oral DMT will be worse. I just want to reduce the nausea within the first half hour to make sure I can keep it down long enough, i figure not drinking sludge will help that haha.
 
IamMe90 To help reduce nausa have you ever thought of consuming cannabis I have done oral DMT with and with out the time i did it with out cannabis I PURGED my freaking guts out for a good hour. When i took the Dmt with the same stomach contents but with a small smount of oral and small amount of smoked cannabis i didnt even throw up which made it alot more fun since i was so sick the first time i really could only enjoy the effects for the last 2 hours or so... Anywas jsut my 2 cents hope that your trip serves you well! PLUR to everyone!
 
well cannabis actually doesn't really work as an antiemetic for me, never has - i dunno why, and i've vomited several times from dosing too much cannabis. i don't have any anyway ;(
 
I haven't done it yet but 100+ or even 200 mg doesn't sound like something I would go attempt for the first time. If you have 210 then I would probably do 70 first and then 140 another time if I feel confident about it.
 
Come off it solipsis, he's already experienced with smoked DMT so why be so conservative? Is it really worth vomiting your guts inside out just to get some measly threshold effect?

You're best off taking all you've got. That way even if you do vomit when that's out of the way (and usually it is just a couple of hurls and your body seems to reconcile to it) you'll have the greatest bodyhigh in christendom and be seeing translucent jewels shimmering in the air.

I just want to reduce the nausea within the first half hour

If you're using extracted DMT I don't think there's any risk of you vomiting before the effects kick in. The nausea usually comes in after the waves of DMT have come crashing over you.
 
alright, sounds good. I figured most of the initial nausea on ayahuasca trip reports was because of the brew and other alkaloids/chemicals that might incidentally be extracted in the brew from the plants.

i am probably going to go for the 200mg, though i am a bit nervous... some people on erowid for this type of dosing (crystal + rue) recommend 50mg for someone of my bodyweight (120lb) but it seems like i'm ALWAYS skeptical/amazed at the kind of effects people get from their doses.

i mean, i don't like tripping under 250mics minimum for LSD (not that i know this for sure, just an estimate.. i usually dont go under 3 good tabs), under 30mg of 2ce is still intense but not intense enough to be worth it, 3.5g of shrooms bore me... idk. i think i'm a hardhead, so this'll probably be good

i mean, no matter how intense the experience is, if i'm used to integrating the psychedelic experience, i don't think it's anything i won't be able to come out of fine. that's what i'm telling myself at least! haha

also ismene, would you describe the oral experience as less or more intense than the very peak of a smoked break through? i'd imagine it's slightly less intense due to the slower onset and whatnot, but overall as intense because of the extended duration. this is only a guess though.. i just want to try to find out as much about this beast as i can before taking the dive. but assuredly, i will take the dive :D
 
Solipsis said:
I haven't done it yet but 100+ or even 200 mg doesn't sound like something I would go attempt for the first time. If you have 210 then I would probably do 70 first and then 140 another time if I feel confident about it.
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agreed. obviously you are going to do what you want but I just want to prewarn you 200mg can be exceptionally strong and this may not work out in your favor.
 
And I find re-dosing doesn't seem to work even tho the claim is you "don't have any tolerance to DMT".
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i assure you that it can work :)

i also need more than other people usually report

that... or my extractions are bad
but i once mixed half which was from mine with half from someone else's -good- extraction and needed the same amount, so...

it takes a long time to come up for me. about 4h

a couple of times, i also took my usual dosage and felt very little

just after one of these times, at the 4h point it was still not coming up
it upset me to think that i had wasted material, time and expectations and i thought that maybe with a nice booster, i'd salvage the day

about 5 minutes after re-dosing, the first wave came in force

the second wave worked really well too :)

for 3h i was further in hyperspace than on a smoked breakthrough
the clock is the only witness, i was in no condition to consider the concept of time passing
... quite an experience

since you say you're a hardhead, i'd advise you to smoke what you have, as it could well not be enough for you orally

except if you've had your share of smoking and are willing to risk wasting the 210mg to try it orally
 
yeah, I'm all too willing to risk. extractions aren't really expensive and only take 2-3 days at most so I'm not too bothered to do them. It'd give me an excuse to do it again anyway.
 
well guys, wish me luck!

I dosed 1.5g of syrian rue at t + 0 and the other 2 at t + 10... now just waiting half an hour more before dosing all of the DMT.. hell yeah!

I can feel VERY subtle effects from the rue right now and honestly its pretty pleasant - just a slight warm feeling and sedation. no gastro effects yet... but we'll see.
 
IamMe90 said:
also ismene, would you describe the oral experience as less or more intense than the very peak of a smoked break through? i'd imagine it's slightly less intense due to the slower onset and whatnot, but overall as intense because of the extended duration. this is only a guess though.. i just want to try to find out as much about this beast as i can before taking the dive. but assuredly, i will take the dive :D
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I think once the DMT has got it's magical grip on you then it's as intense as a smoked trip but it's intense in a good way. It's simply breathtaking. It's what you always wished for from a psychedelic. The most profound, magical, once in a lifetime experience. Simply gorgeous - it's every other psychedelic put together and then multiplied by a thousand. With a better bodyhigh than MDMA.

Oh and it's effect when you listen to music - jesus fucking christ!

The key thing is making sure you're MAOI is working. With moclobemide it's easy, you just drop 300mg half an hour before taking the DMT. With the rue I'm not sure of the correct dosage or how to time it but I imagine it's something similar.

Hope it goes well for you :D
 
yeah, i allowed 30 minutes from my ingestion of the last half and 40 minutes from the first half... I think I should be good.

and I have some chopin playing and I'm ready to be amazed :)
 
45 minutes after DMT dosing:

not feeling much of anything yet. some more pronounced visual and body effects, but still nothing that is noteworthy. there is a slight nausea that is becoming a little more pronounced as time goes by but NOTHING unmanagable. i'm hoping this noted increase in effects in the last 15 minutes means this is going to start working. i'l be very pissed if i wasted 210mg of DMT but i don't know why it wouldn't work! Ive smoked 50mg of this stuff and broken through, so i know its not too impure. ugh... lets hope this goes somewhere. bonus? at least i dont get nauseous from rue in MAOI doses
 
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