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HPP what?

Maziv said:
I have HPP very mild. Like sometimes I have a slight buzzing and theirs static on walls etc but to be honest I have embraced it. Everyone sees the world differently and if this is my way then so be it. Getting paranoid over it is going to solve nothing, in fact, it will just make it worse. Accepting it however makes it less apparent.
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Thats what ive done with mine, Ive accepted it and embrace it. But I'm just wondering if when I dose one hit of Lucy, will it get worse? cause then I have to go through that whole process of getting used to it and accepting it again. I don't want realization/depersonalization either.. that sounds terrible
 
Shit I just lost the post I wrote and I was about to lose the text for a second time :!

Anyway my point was that it depends on how much Salvia and JWH's and DPH you have taken in the past, if it is not that much I would take it as a bad sign that you are somewhat sensitive to these effects but on the other hand one drug is not another one, and you embrace this effect. I have had "HPP" as well and still do to a small extent despite not having tripped for a while, and I used to believe that people who make a big deal out of it have the same but they are just complaining about something that doesn't matter that much and is to me like fun or like tripping for free.
I don't think that anymore - people with HPPD most probably have it much worse, so bad that it impairs their functioning whether they like free tripping or not.

We cannot really answer 'what should I take' questions because it is everyones own responsibility to bear and only an educated guess can be made as to the risks of precipitating schizophrenia or HPPD or PTSD symptoms by tripping.

That said if you do decide to take LSD just really pay attention to how much worse your "HPP" gets and how much the visuals die down after the trip has stopped. Take it easy.

Also try to limit your JWH use. Occasional use of JWH's might be okay and I have also started sampling some but taking these more than every once in a while has bad news written all over it because of the high cannabinoid affinities some of these compounds have. I wouldn't be surprised if they have a good potential to cause HPPD like symptoms when used to often.

If you take them more than every once in a while try abstaining for a while and see how that improves things. If it does then it's probably not worth continuing with them because even while you might embrace the effects now they may get worse. And there is no good idea of knowing how much worse or how fast because so much less is known about JWH's then something like LSD.
 
Its not that bad =/ My tryptamine use has brought it back though recently but its really not that bad, and it appears to be the worst its been too. How is it a disorder unless you're really out of control or take an enormous dose of something? Textures squirm when I drink and have a glow.. big deal. I really don't think its anything to whine and cry over unless you're going into the military or something. Even then it'll go away eventually.
 
Solipsis said:
Shit I just lost the post I wrote and I was about to lose the text for a second time :!

Anyway my point was that it depends on how much Salvia and JWH's and DPH you have taken in the past, if it is not that much I would take it as a bad sign that you are somewhat sensitive to these effects but on the other hand one drug is not another one, and you embrace this effect. I have had "HPP" as well and still do to a small extent despite not having tripped for a while, and I used to believe that people who make a big deal out of it have the same but they are just complaining about something that doesn't matter that much and is to me like fun or like tripping for free.
I don't think that anymore - people with HPPD most probably have it much worse, so bad that it impairs their functioning whether they like free tripping or not.

We cannot really answer 'what should I take' questions because it is everyones own responsibility to bear and only an educated guess can be made as to the risks of precipitating schizophrenia or HPPD or PTSD symptoms by tripping.

That said if you do decide to take LSD just really pay attention to how much worse your "HPP" gets and how much the visuals die down after the trip has stopped. Take it easy.

Also try to limit your JWH use. Occasional use of JWH's might be okay and I have also started sampling some but taking these more than every once in a while has bad news written all over it because of the high cannabinoid affinities some of these compounds have. I wouldn't be surprised if they have a good potential to cause HPPD like symptoms when used to often.

If you take them more than every once in a while try abstaining for a while and see how that improves things. If it does then it's probably not worth continuing with them because even while you might embrace the effects now they may get worse. And there is no good idea of knowing how much worse or how fast because so much less is known about JWH's then something like LSD.
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I really think mine came from too much jwh. :p I havent touched it in months but it still lingers with me. I'm probably going to take half a tab to see if my hpp is effected. If not then I'll do the full hit. Jwh is nasty stuff for sure
 
^ Although I never tried LSD, I would rather take whole tab. In my experience with other psychedelics, dose matters less than total amount of trips. I mean, 2 trips on 1/2 of dose promote HPP(D) more than 1 trip on full 1 dose, and 1 trip on full 1 dose don't increase HPPD more significantly than 1 trip on 1/2 dose.
But, of course, it may be different for you & LSD.

BTW, did you use other drugs or medications during the period of abstinence from JWH?

I don't really get why you bother about your HPP if it isn't that bad? Are these visual distortions really terrible, so you can't tolerate them for, say, 12 months?
 
I don't know if it's HPPD, but sometimes I just don't feel sober. And my general outlook on life has changed from psychedelics. But generally I feel like it slowly goes away after not tripping for a while. And i've been pretty careful about not binging on anything of the psychedelic nature (aside from a music festival).

Synthetic and more natural drugs can both put you in bad places. Basically it all comes down to moderation of use, and the doses you take. It can only take one high dose of something to just blow your mind for a long time.
 
allium said:
^ Although I never tried LSD, I would rather take whole tab. In my experience with other psychedelics, dose matters less than total amount of trips. I mean, 2 trips on 1/2 of dose promote HPP(D) more than 1 trip on full 1 dose, and 1 trip on full 1 dose don't increase HPPD more significantly than 1 trip on 1/2 dose.
But, of course, it may be different for you & LSD.

BTW, did you use other drugs or medications during the period of abstinence from JWH?

I don't really get why you bother about your HPP if it isn't that bad? Are these visual distortions really terrible, so you can't tolerate them for, say, 12 months?
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It's not that the HPP I have now bothers me, because it doesn't. What I am concerned about is what it will be like after my LSD trip. I don't know if maybe the jwh has made the "gateways of perception" cracked open a bit. I just am concerned LSD will blow the mother fucking doors off :p
 
The question your asking is really hard for us to answer, neigh, impossible for us to answer. Its up to you to make that decision. Me personally, I am going on a drug break come April until July to sort of refresh myself haha and make sure I am alright for my upcoming exams. I will document on my HPP and see if it lessens over said time, though right now its really not bad at all, like its only there when I think about it. Whenever I am distracted by work, friends, tv etc I forget about it. it usually creeps up when I am bored and doing nothing, which is fine as I am not doing anything haha.
 
One thing I'd like to add is that I have a tendency to dissociate a little and zone out (I have had this for many years), I stare at something and am just absent.
When I had more HPPD-like symptoms those would be the moments I would really get it, it is similar to when I meditate in that I just 'am' and nothing else really affects me. When I zoned out I could sometimes actually start seeing wormholes form out of thin air.
I guess most people can try and conjure similar effects, either by meditating a LOT or by staring at something for long enough. When visual input does not change apparently your brain starts doing funky things. :) Exactly those things are probably which in part get messed up by HPPD, I think it's the mechanisms that we have to integrate incoming visual information from the eyes into a sensible image. A filter you might say. As far as I know this filter is what psychedelics mess with as a big part of their effect so it makes some sense I guess. Does it make sense to you too because maybe it's a load of bullocks and mumbo-jumbo I am spewing here... :D

Sorry back to you now - yes be careful with those doors. They are probably not meant to be like saloon doors...
 
Solipsis said:
One thing I'd like to add is that I have a tendency to dissociate a little and zone out (I have had this for many years), I stare at something and am just absent.
When I had more HPPD-like symptoms those would be the moments I would really get it, it is similar to when I meditate in that I just 'am' and nothing else really affects me. When I zoned out I could sometimes actually start seeing wormholes form out of thin air.
I guess most people can try and conjure similar effects, either by meditating a LOT or by staring at something for long enough. When visual input does not change apparently your brain starts doing funky things. :) Exactly those things are probably which in part get messed up by HPPD, I think it's the mechanisms that we have to integrate incoming visual information from the eyes into a sensible image. A filter you might say. As far as I know this filter is what psychedelics mess with as a big part of their effect so it makes some sense I guess. Does it make sense to you too because maybe it's a load of bullocks and mumbo-jumbo I am spewing here... :D

Sorry back to you now - yes be careful with those doors. They are probably not meant to be like saloon doors...
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well said. And this is the reason im thinking about just waiting a few years to get into LSD and shrooms. They will still be there, but making my life hell will effect me every day. Im still debating within myself, my gut feeling is that my saloon doors are already opened a little much for never even touching LSD or any serotonin psyches. I did amanitas and they are GABA, and that was quite the experience. I was indeed a madman for 10 hours.
 
I'm not gonna go and suggest you drop acid of course. But I feel like acid changes you more, the more times you do it. Like, sure, I felt strange after my first acid trip. But that was absolutely nothing to what I felt like after say my 10th acid trip.

So likely, I don't think your doors or perception are going to be "blown off" by one acid trip. I guess that does happen to some people though. But just trip safely if your gonna do it dude.

And yeah man i'd steer clear of that jwh if i was you.
 
shroomyboom said:
I'm not gonna go and suggest you drop acid of course. But I feel like acid changes you more, the more times you do it. Like, sure, I felt strange after my first acid trip. But that was absolutely nothing to what I felt like after say my 10th acid trip.

So likely, I don't think your doors or perception are going to be "blown off" by one acid trip. I guess that does happen to some people though. But just trip safely if your gonna do it dude.

And yeah man i'd steer clear of that jwh if i was you.
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Yeah i quit jwh, but since I still smoke bud, it keeps imprinting my cannabanoid receptors. Maybe thats why my weed high is so intense all the time now. Jwh is dangerous, ive almost died on it plenty. Its addicting as well, as in withdrawls. And yeah, Im still debating whether or not to do this Lucy, I dont want to risk blowing those doors off.. im too young to lose it just yet. I have HPP already without using the traditional psyches... so I think its safe to say my brain is sensitive to change. Ive done a lot of drugs though... just not the serotonin effecting psyches.
 
Yeah I can feel that man, and I can understand why you'd be hesitant to try acid if you feel like you still have leftovers from jwh use.

And alot of times with tripping, if your having bad thoughts about it, it's often better to wait till you're ready.
 
shroomyboom said:
Yeah I can feel that man, and I can understand why you'd be hesitant to try acid if you feel like you still have leftovers from jwh use.

And alot of times with tripping, if your having bad thoughts about it, it's often better to wait till you're ready.
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Yeah and its not even the trip cause ive done plenty of trips, good and bad. Its just the HPPD that has me hesitant. I have a job to keep, a family to please, and other ties to society. Having really severe HPPD would not only suck for me, but wouldn't be fair to those that love me. But like our other conversation. I get a pretty psychedelic high from my bud so that will have to suffice. That, and meditation.
 
shroomyboom said:
Those are certainly better habits to have than LSD if you ask me
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Yeah but I don't want a habit, I wanted to experience it once in my life. Now I'm doubting I can without the consequences of severe hppd. Maybe I'm just being a hypochondriac :p
 
Haha i'm not sayin it should be a habit though. I definitely think you can take the acid trip once in your life, and move on without worrying too much about it. Unless you love it. I was just sayin yeah, the bud and the meditation that's pretty righteous.
 
honestly i don't really believe in Hppd, to me its like psychedelics just make you notice visual disturbances that happen anyway. Your eyes and the sight processing centers in the brain aren't perfect. In fact a lot of what you see is assumed/filled in by the brain to cut down on interpreting time thus if you are accustomed to looking for visual disturbances(something the psychedelic experience accustoms you to like "whoa look at those crazy oevs") your going to be more likely to notice them during regular none-tripping life.
But im no doctor or scientist that's just the way i see it.

O and Bluegreenman, for some people, like myself, cannabis and analogues of cannabanoids like Jwh can be a whole lot more psychologically detrimental than psychedelics. I can handle acid trips and usually enjoy them but smoking the herb or k2 or whatever usually leaves me in horrible negative thought patterns, and getting really stoned has been even more terrifying than anything shrooms, acid, 2c-E. 2c-I, 2c-B, or dxm has thrown my way.
Also man made or natural they're all chemicals...
 
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Me and a couple friends see the static and I've never found it that annoying. Though now that I notice it's there, it's impossible to ignore at times.
 
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