HPP what?

[bluegreenman]

So, how many of you have persisting alterations in your vision from psychedelics, but just dont mind it? I see everywhere about people suffering from HPPD, so I wonder how many of us there are that have the HPP part without the D?

 

[readthenewsohboy]

Yo. I don't mind any of it, but the... speed with which 2c-i makes it worse is alarming.

 

[bluegreenman]

to be honest, mine is static, and the walls look like an ocean sometimes. I also get millions of sparks looking at a carpet. It used to freak me out... make me feel like I failed and damaged my brain.. and i haven't even done lsd yet. This is from other psyches. Thats the one thing that is kind of holding me back from lucy. I dont know if I want HPP for the rest of my life. If I already have these symptoms, wont Lucy just push it over the edge so to speak?

 

[Sega420]

mild. when i take acids it gets worse but i dont consider it a negative thing.
its just a little something interesting thats just there. doesnt affect me much in my day to day life aside from seeing strange visual disturbances reminiscent of acid visuals.

basically last year and still to this day i did too much acid, back to back, high doses, too often.
the only other drawback to my overindulgence is my speech patterns are noticeably different.
it seems harder to get out what im trying to say and a lot of the time depending on the situation (if ive been a bit physically active)
i may sound like someone on acid. slightly broken/retarded speech patterns.
i also think i may have some sort of thought disorder- ties into the speech patterns and how my mind works.
and this was before drugs.

stay in school, kids.
(btw my "over indulgence" period was from spring last year to right now. thats a lot of trippin. dont regret it though because acid has helped me learn a lot about myself and given me so many positive uplifting experiences. still, use moderation.)

 

[allium]

I think most people saying that they have HPPD, actually don't suffer from these symptomps, so they have HPPD-like state(or HPP without D). Also, I suppose most psychedelic users experience some sort of visual distortion.

My HPP is, first of all, a shitload of static. Then go after-images. All-color darkening/brightening(They don't change constantly, but I noticed I perceive colors differently on different days). Sometimes slight object morphing(a la "walls breathing") and occasional patterning.

I dont know if I want HPP for the rest of my life

You probably won't. If you stay away from psychedelics, stimulants, and maybe from other classes of drugs promoting HPPD.

 

[bluegreenman]

Since my HPP without the D is from copious amounts of dxm, salvia, and worst of all JWH, do you think the HPP from acid will erase the old perceptions I have or just add on to them.
Note: JWH IS a POWERFUL psychedelic. I've ODed on that and was having terrible tremors. There were 5 voices in my head commenting on my every move like it was a movie, arguing about things and telling me I was going to die. With eyes closed all I saw was vivid images of murder, rape, death of children and such images that still haunt me today. When a image would stay in my closed eyes for long enough I would open my eyes and it would be on the floor. Not just an image, but full blown seeing dead bodies and stuff. I remember just meditating and telling myself that I have to face this part of my subconcious as well as the beautiful parts. That comforted me and I just layed there shaking holding back a seizure for 2 or 3 hours (10 in fucked up time) that's the trip that made my HPP more prominent. Crazy thing is, I still smoked the damn stuff everyday after that for months. I've quit that drug for good though. It was deteriorating my mind and body. It's not your average cannabanoid

 

[Sega420]

its manmade, thats why.
huffman himself said he didnt have a clue why anyone would be stupid enough to ingest them.

 

[bluegreenman]

its manmade, thats why.
huffman himself said he didnt have a clue why anyone would be stupid enough to ingest them.

You can have just as bad of experiences from LSD or the natural mushrooms though. I think there is something to be said about the correlation between synthetic and how it imprints your mind. Shrooms and weed are less known to cause hppd, but LSD, jwh, dxm, and 2cs are all known to do it quite often

 

[Quittin The Cult]

Since my HPP without the D is from copious amounts of dxm, salvia, and worst of all JWH, do you think the HPP from acid will erase the old perceptions I have or just add on to them.
Note: JWH IS a POWERFUL psychedelic. I've ODed on that and was having terrible tremors. There were 5 voices in my head commenting on my every move like it was a movie, arguing about things and telling me I was going to die. With eyes closed all I saw was vivid images of murder, rape, death of children and such images that still haunt me today. When a image would stay in my closed eyes for long enough I would open my eyes and it would be on the floor. Not just an image, but full blown seeing dead bodies and stuff. I remember just meditating and telling myself that I have to face this part of my subconcious as well as the beautiful parts. That comforted me and I just layed there shaking holding back a seizure for 2 or 3 hours (10 in fucked up time) that's the trip that made my HPP more prominent. Crazy thing is, I still smoked the damn stuff everyday after that for months. I've quit that drug for good though. It was deteriorating my mind and body. It's not your average cannabanoid

I've seen you ask that similar question about LSD several times. There's no way for someone to tell you how you will react from it. First hand is the only way you'll find out.

 

[bluegreenman]

I've seen you ask that similar question about LSD several times. There's no way for someone to tell you how you will react from it. First hand is the only way you'll find out.

Yes I have asked that a few times. I like to get varied answers from different peoples experiences and thoughts. And I will be finding out here soon first hand haha I'm hoping for the best.

 

[shishigami]

You can have just as bad of experiences from LSD or the natural mushrooms though. I think there is something to be said about the correlation between synthetic and how it imprints your mind. Shrooms and weed are less known to cause hppd, but LSD, jwh, dxm, and 2cs are all known to do it quite often

I think lots of people say that natural is better than synthetic but I personally just think that's all a bunch of paranoia. I developed HPPD after doing shrooms twice and DMT a bunch of times. It has nothing to do with whether it is synthetic or not, the specific chemical itself makes the difference. It may happen to be that most chemicals that occur naturally are less likely to cause HPPD but it isn't because they're from the earth and therefore safer for us.

 

[bluegreenman]

I meditate often and find that that has even made my HPP without the D more intense. So maybe it's just a matter of opening up your senses. It's said that monks that meditate all their lives can "trip" on command. They can get to whatever state of consciousness they want. The more I meditate, the more vivid my visions become during my sessions. I've had full blown ego loss from just meditating for a few hours.

 

[Sega420]

You can have just as bad of experiences from LSD or the natural mushrooms though. I think there is something to be said about the correlation between synthetic and how it imprints your mind. Shrooms and weed are less known to cause hppd, but LSD, jwh, dxm, and 2cs are all known to do it quite often

difference between the JWH and other synthetic cannabinoids and LSD etc is that the JWH's etc, the long term health effects and neurological effects are simply not known,
WHATSOEVER.

id rather take a drug like LSD and have a glowing experience than smoke some potentially toxic chemical just to get stoned.
lsd, mdma, mushrooms etc all have very well studied and known track records for being pretty much safe.
a hit of acid is less harmful for your physiological health than a joint or a beer or a coffee.

mental health is a whole different kettle of fish.
if you choose to experiment with and recklessly and frequently dose chemicals that you dont know the health effects of,
and experience ill effects from using it daily, in my humble opinion i feel you deserve everything you get.
be careful what you wish for as they say...

 

[broagan]

i have some pretty intense hallucinogen persisting perception phenomenon but it doesn't bother me in the least

 

[TheAppleCore]

I have absolutely no HPP with or without the D.

Except if you consider it a disorder to have enhanced appreciation of certain kinds of music due to psychedelic use...

But, I'm honestly glad I don't see moving wood grain, or any of that shit. Just wanted to say that it certainly is possible to use many psychedelics and avoid HPP(D).

LSD has temporary HPPD for me however. For a couple weeks my periphery will lightly flash, like a dim strobe light...

 

[bluegreenman]

difference between the JWH and other synthetic cannabinoids and LSD etc is that the JWH's etc, the long term health effects and neurological effects are simply not known,
WHATSOEVER.

id rather take a drug like LSD and have a glowing experience than smoke some potentially toxic chemical just to get stoned.
lsd, mdma, mushrooms etc all have very well studied and known track records for being pretty much safe.
a hit of acid is less harmful for your physiological health than a joint or a beer or a coffee.

mental health is a whole different kettle of fish.
if you choose to experiment with and recklessly and frequently dose chemicals that you dont know the health effects of,
and experience ill effects from using it daily, in my humble opinion i feel you deserve everything you get.
be careful what you wish for as they say...

I completely agree with you on everything you said. I regret synthetic cannabanoids. Thats the only drug I regret. I have not touched them in months, but my vision is still a little "sparkly" no big deal though, Its not as bad as others. I just hope it didnt make me super sensitive to HPP. Like, when I smoke pot now a days, I get really psychedelic experiences, pretty intense ones sometimes. I think it has to do with my synthetic use.

 

[bluegreenman]

I have absolutely no HPP with or without the D.

Except if you consider it a disorder to have enhanced appreciation of certain kinds of music due to psychedelic use...

But, I'm honestly glad I don't see moving wood grain, or any of that shit. Just wanted to say that it certainly is possible to use many psychedelics and avoid HPP(D).

LSD has temporary HPPD for me however. For a couple weeks my periphery will lightly flash, like a dim strobe light...

with what you said about music. My first DXM trip was one of the most beautiful experiences of my life, pure bliss for 8 hours. The music I was listening to was The Fray, and still to this day I feel that almost as intense bliss when I listen to them. For a while there I would only listen to them on special occasions because it felt so special :D

 

[bluegreenman]

GOD DAMNIT! now all this talk about HPPD and shit has me rethinking doing lsd this saturday I was in such a good mindset then I read about HPPD and started looking at the walls and carpets, reminding myself that I already have HPP. Now im worried that if I drop a hit of Lucy, that ill just make my HPP without a D turn into true, intense HPPD. I must meditate to re center my mind

 

[Tunnelfission]

After reading up on psychedelics for months before first trying them one of my ultimate goals was to permanently change my perception through the use of them. Goal accomplished. I do choose the third eye opening rhetoric as it coincides with my chosen belief in the chakra system but overall the most agreeable metaphor I can give to you all is that psychedelics revived and enhanced my imagination that had been fading from early teen years until i began tripping at age 17 or so.

I am always trying to stay in tune and in tact with the depths of my perceptions now, the images are teaching if you can tap into them uncensored.

 

[Maziv]

I have HPP very mild. Like sometimes I have a slight buzzing and theirs static on walls etc but to be honest I have embraced it. Everyone sees the world differently and if this is my way then so be it. Getting paranoid over it is going to solve nothing, in fact, it will just make it worse. Accepting it however makes it less apparent.