Opioids Opiates while tapering off Benzos

[DaftPunkFan]

Hey everyone,

I've read several of the threads on mixing benzos and opiates together as a one-time mix, but my question is a little different. I'm currently tapering off of a 2 year benzo habit, and after switching to Valium I am now down to 10mg a day. Right now, I am staying on a steady schedule of cutting 10% a month, so I still have a little while to go.

For a few events coming up, I'd like to take some Vics or Oxy, and I usually take 20-25mg of Hydro or 15-20mg of Oxy to feel pretty good. Since I now have a steady amount of Valium constantly in my system, I'm wondering is it safe to take some opiates at this time? Also I've never combined the two, so would I want to take a significantly less amount of opiates due to the Valium?

When I wasn't addicted to benzos, I would just skip the dose on the days that I would take some Vics or Oxy, but now that I'm staying on track with my taper plan, I can't really do that. And since I shouldn't be drinking at this time, I'm looking for something else to have a good time with :D

If anyone has been on a consistent dose of a benzo and also has taken an opiate in combination, I'd really like to hear about your experience. Thanks!

 

[ThePharmacist25]

I was prescribed 60mg of Oxycodone and 15mg of Diazepam a day from my previous doctor. I hated Valium, well not hated it, but it just isn't the same as Alprazolam or Lorazepam, shit even Midazolam. But I was on a consistent regimen of those two. If you're tapering 10% a month, in my opinion, I think it'd be better if you did 1mg a month, because taht 10% is going to get messy.

For example:
Regimen 10%:
Month 1: 10mg, Month 2: 9mg, Month 3: 8.1mg, Month 4: ~7.3mg, etc. etc.

Regimen 1mg:
Month 1: 10mg, Month 2: 9mg, Month 3: 8mg, etc etc.

See they are similar, however, you won't be fiddling around with decimals..

If you're looking to heed all withdrawals, well most of them and looking for a good time still, like you want to do them both (oppies and bennys) try something like:

Sunday: Bennys
Monday: Bennys
Tuesday: Off
Wednesday: Off
Thursday: Oppies
Friday: Oppies
Saturaday: Off
REPEAT..

Something like that, or even less. The dependence won't be there quite as much..

I hope this helped in the least.. Best of luck.. I was always afraid of Benny W/D more than Oppies, due to siezures (even if you have anti-convulsants).

 

[amapola]

^right.......

Anyways OP,

Because you have a tolerance to benzos and aren't getting high off of them they won't contribute to the opiate high as much as someone who gets high on benzos and opiates at the same time. That being said since you have never combined them before it is worthwhile to take a smaller opiate dose than usual and see how you handle it before going up to your normal dose.

It probably would not be a good idea to try and stop taking benzos for a few days to get high on opiates as you would go into withdrawal and it wouldn't be a good time. Just stick with your 'baseline' benzo level, carefully add a few opiates on and see how you feel.

Best of luck!

 

[DaftPunkFan]

^right.......

Anyways OP,

Because you have a tolerance to benzos and aren't getting high off of them they won't contribute to the opiate high as much as someone who gets high on benzos and opiates at the same time. That being said since you have never combined them before it is worthwhile to take a smaller opiate dose than usual and see how you handle it before going up to your normal dose.

It probably would not be a good idea to try and stop taking benzos for a few days to get high on opiates as you would go into withdrawal and it wouldn't be a good time. Just stick with your 'baseline' benzo level, carefully add a few opiates on and see how you feel.

Best of luck!

Alright thanks. Yeah I definitely don't want to stop taking Valium for a few days, I would definitely be feeling like crap at this point haha. I'll go ahead and start out with a smaller dose than usual and go up from there.

I guess I just wanted reassurance that it isn't super dangerous to do this. But then I see posts like the one before where people are actually prescribed both Valium and Oxy at the same time, and that just confuses me even more.

 

[DaftPunkFan]

I was prescribed 60mg of Oxycodone and 15mg of Diazepam a day from my previous doctor. I hated Valium, well not hated it, but it just isn't the same as Alprazolam or Lorazepam, shit even Midazolam. But I was on a consistent regimen of those two. If you're tapering 10% a month, in my opinion, I think it'd be better if you did 1mg a month, because taht 10% is going to get messy.

For example:
Regimen 10%:
Month 1: 10mg, Month 2: 9mg, Month 3: 8.1mg, Month 4: ~7.3mg, etc. etc.

Regimen 1mg:
Month 1: 10mg, Month 2: 9mg, Month 3: 8mg, etc etc.

See they are similar, however, you won't be fiddling around with decimals..
.

Yeah thanks for the recommended taper plan. I think I'm going to end up doing the 1mg a month plan because 10% does get pretty confusing. I could go the liquid titration route but I think it's a bit ridiculous at this point.

Also that is a pretty high dose of Oxy with an even higher dose of Valium than I'm on right now, so that makes me feel a little better. Did your doctor say anything about combining those two together, or did he just say it was fine? How long were you on both of those?

Thanks

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

as long as you take your base benzo dose you should be fine to take opiates because they may lower your seizure threshold (i think i have read that somewhere.. if not never mind my comment) which could cause a seizure if you were in benzo w/d.

 

[DaftPunkFan]

as long as you take your base benzo dose you should be fine to take opiates because they may lower your seizure threshold (i think i have read that somewhere.. if not never mind my comment) which could cause a seizure if you were in benzo w/d.

Are you saying that taking opiates while on benzos will lower the seizure threshold regardless, or only if I were in benzo withdrawal if I were to skip a dose?

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

Are you saying that taking opiates while on benzos will lower the seizure threshold regardless, or only if I were in benzo withdrawal if I were to skip a dose?

im saying if you skipped your dose your seizure threshold would drop
and opiates can also lower it if you take them, so the likely hood of a seizure is higher.

 

[DaftPunkFan]

im saying if you skipped your dose your seizure threshold would drop
and opiates can also lower it if you take them, so the likely hood of a seizure is higher.

Ahhh alright got it, thanks.

Damn last night I started out with a 10mg Hydro and was actually feeling something, so I took another 5mg Hydro and was surprised with how high I was. It was really nice, but then I took another 5mg like 2 hours into it, and that was a terrible idea. I've never been that nauseous from Vicodin in my life! I had to lay down for an hour...

But yeah, other than that I guess it was a pretty good combo. I'd rather just not be taking the benzos at all, but that's what I'm working on right now

Thanks for the advice everyone. I'd like to hear some other stories if anyone has any!

 

[mr. mudd]

I dunno, taking opiates to kick benzos sounds like taking a shot of malaria to cure a cold. I guess if you're disciplined about it it might work.

I was on extremely high doses of benzos (including IM versed/midazolam) for about half a year when I was 19 and had to go into a detox unit. I was weaned off them using diazepam. I think I started with six yellow ones (I forget how many mg--it was 18 years ago), and I went down one pill every two or three days. It worked for me and was painless--I even slept on the night I went to zero. Your experience might be different, though--maybe six months isn't long enough to really trigger seizures etc. I just remember trying to avoid taking a benzo one night and getting very sick.

 

[AnrBjotk]

How do benzo-wds feel? Sorry, a bit off topic...but I know they're supposed to be more dangerous than opiate wds...but...are the wds the same?

 

[DaftPunkFan]

How do benzo-wds feel? Sorry, a bit off topic...but I know they're supposed to be more dangerous than opiate wds...but...are the wds the same?

Benzo WDs are terrible, I've never gone through opiate WDs. I only use them every now and then.

Anyways, does anyone else have experience taking some kind of opiate while being on a daily dose of benzos? I'm not sure why I was sick as fuck when I tried it out a few nights ago, but maybe I just need way less Vicodin than usual when I have Valium in my system...

 

[DaftPunkFan]

I dunno, taking opiates to kick benzos sounds like taking a shot of malaria to cure a cold. I guess if you're disciplined about it it might work.

I'm not trying to replace one with the other, I'm just getting information on taking opiates while I'm tapering off benzos. I just want to have something to take for special occasions in the mean time while I'm staying consistent with my taper plan.
Ideally I'd like to just take Vicodin and leave out Valium all together, but that's not really an option for me at the moment

 

[DaftPunkFan]

Anyone else have some experiences to share? I just experimented with some Oxy and my daily 10mg dose of Valium, and it went pretty well. I definitely notice that I can take less of whatever opiate I use, and I still end up getting pretty high. At times it seems a little more "zoney" than I usually like to feel, but overall it's a pretty good experience.

If you have some information as to how safe this is or isn't, I'd really appreciate any comments. I know the combo can be dangerous, but I guess I'm wondering if I can get away with it for the moment while I'm getting off Valium. Also, I'm keeping the opiate dosage pretty low or a little less than I normally would use.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

if you have a tolerance to both and you aren't taking crazy high doses of each, than you should be fine.

 

[DaftPunkFan]

if you have a tolerance to both and you aren't taking crazy high doses of each, than you should be fine.

Alright thank you. That's kind of what I figured, as long as I just take a pretty small dose of Vicodin or Oxy on top of my Valium then I shouldn't be worrying like I am. Just tried a 20mg Vicodin mix, which is still a bit lower than my usual dose, but I do actually get high, although I get so nauseous.

What would be a relatively high dose of either Oxy or Vicodin that could be mixed with 10mg of Valium a day safely? Or does this basically go back to the whole tolerance issue?

Thanks everyone

 

[CaPoNe.]

The only thing that I am careful with when mixing the 2 is repiratory depression cuz for me I very depressed breathing quite easiy not trying to scare you just something to watch for. I remember taking like 40mg of oxy with 2mg xanax when my tolerance was low and I was afraid to go to sleep cuz i thought I might stop breathing when I went to sleep cuz my breathing wa so slow and shallow not a fun night.

 

[psychopath]

Like Capone just said, respiratory depression.

If you have NEVER combined opiates and benzos, I would proceed with caution. Both are CNS depressants and your body would essentially be so relaxed you stop breathing. I personally knew 4 people who died from taking too many opiates and benzos at the same time.

The first time you might want to take a lower dosage than you think you need of the opiates. Take more opiates if your initial dose is insufficient. Better to not get as high the first time then to go into a permanent and fatal nod.

 

[burn out]

as long as you keep the doses low you will be fine. if you want to extra careful have someone with you so if anything did happen (which is highly unlikely given you keep the doses low) they can call for help.

remember, people mix opiates and benzos all the time. not that its smart or safe and some people do OD but it's possible to do it relatively safely.

as for the effects of opiates on withdrawal, i dont know if they could trigger seizures but i doubt it if youre tapering slowly. i am in protracted benzo withdrawal and i have no problems taking opiates.

 

[DaftPunkFan]

The only thing that I am careful with when mixing the 2 is repiratory depression cuz for me I very depressed breathing quite easiy not trying to scare you just something to watch for. I remember taking like 40mg of oxy with 2mg xanax when my tolerance was low and I was afraid to go to sleep cuz i thought I might stop breathing when I went to sleep cuz my breathing wa so slow and shallow not a fun night.

Alright, thanks for the advice. Yeah the first time I tried the combo, I took a considerably smaller dose of Vics than I normally would, and by the end of the night I was trying not to fall asleep because I felt really weird. It was like pulling me into sleep if that makes any sense.

I'm going to try and dose a little earlier next time so that most of the effects are worn off by the time I go to sleep.