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4-Fluoroamphetamine

Right, tried this at a proper dose after a good few drams in the pub. 120mgs me and a mate, lots of cider, blasting live sets. It is good, clean, speedy and slight empathy. I rate it, but next time I'd start at 150mgs. Gets the thumbs up. Do not sniff it, that's what ruined it last time when I bombd 80mgs and sniffed 10mgs. Bomb after a good drink, codshits summary of 4-FA :)
 
I woke up this morning stirred what i thought was a little artificial sweetener into my coffee woops
 
its landed in Leeds heard lots of good things certainly giving it a try
 
jesus picked my mate up after a bender on this stuff and he was spun. Said it it was euphoric at first then ballz to the wallz speeding after that. Dropped him off and am now curious to try but I think I'll wait till I talk to him tomorrow to gauge the comedown!
 
At high doses it seemed fairly like a decent strength pill. Is it safe to assume a cross tollerance?
 
Alright curiosity has peeked got samples coming next week! Mate didn't seemed to thrashed the next day thats all I care about these multi day comedowns. They just don't work 4 me any more
Can't wait
 
and would be probably as neurotoxic as pills...
What makes you think that? Here's an ARTICLE where they tested neurotoxicity of MDAI in combination with MAO-inhibitors, dopamine reuptake inhibitors and dopamine releasing agents. Since 4-FMP is generally a dopamine reuptake inhibitor, I would say its potential for neurotoxicity in combination with MDAI is much lower than that of MDMA. :)
 
Where is the research showing that MDMA is even neurotoxic in humans? The only studies I've ever seen have been shown to be flawed. The most recent study has shown no cognitive impairment in MDMA users, so it can't be causing much damage whatsoever, if it is.
 
The only studies I've ever seen have been shown to be flawed.
And you think that gives a general overview of the quality of studies performed? Since to me it is more of an indicator that you don't know where to find the articles (unless delivered on your doorstep by the Guardian of course). There's at least 500 articles about the neurotoxicity of MDMA (both pro and con); perhaps you should refrain from expressing your opinion as being factual until you have read them all?

The most recent study has shown no cognitive impairment in MDMA users, so it can't be causing much damage whatsoever, if it is.
Classical example of jumping to conclusions... As I have stated before in the thread regarding this study, it is possible to have about 30 per cent of your brain removed without extensive cognitive impairment. So although it seems logical to assume that brain damage leads to cognitive impairments, this is not always the case. Even the authors of this study themselves indicate they did not use brain imaging, so their study is not suitable to make any conclusions about brain damage.

Lastly, I was talking about the potential for neurotoxicity. So I am not making any claims about the neurotoxicity of MDMA; I am just stating that the 4-FMP + MDAI combination seems to have a lower potential for neurotoxicity. Since this thread is about 4-FMP, perhaps you better keep the MDMA fairytales to yourself, or at least confined to the ED forum with the other e-tards.
 
Was browsing ecstasy data and there are some blank pills going around Switzerland and other parts of Europe whit about 140mg in them.
 
ffs, treacle was actually asking where the research is. i.e. requesting information on how to better understand it, why don't you be helpful and put a few links to the +500 articles??? they're probably only available to subscription payers anyway, making it difficult for non academics to judge for themselves (this is speculation, but its how in general scientific journal access works).

anyway, i got a bit of this to try but stupid life getting in the way means i have no clue when i'll actually do it. whats the comedown like? it seems like the stimulation will be long lasting so def need to wait til i can be v tired come monday, but other than that, whats the deal.

also i'd probably end up comboing it with at least md, maybe some 2cs, would this be a) dangerous or b) fucking awesome?
 
^ I would go with a dose of 120mg - 140mg. Has empathogenic attributes than normal amp does not, though not as rushy. Euphoria and empathy last about 2-2,5 hours and after that maybe 1-2 hours of clear minded stimulation. Residual stimulation lasts awhile but you should sleep after 7-8 hours after the initial dose.
 
whats the comedown like?
No harsh comedown experienced whatsoever, at least not in our group. Euphoria typically lasts for 2.5-4 hours, gradually fading away leaving behind some residual stimulance. Don't expect to sleep the first 8+ hours after intake, but if you keep your total intake below 160-180 mg, sleeping won't be a problem once you come down.

also i'd probably end up comboing it with at least md, maybe some 2cs, would this be a) dangerous or b) fucking awesome?
I would not advice combo with MDMA (or isn't that what you mean with md?), too much dopamine release imo. If you decide to try this combo, I would suggest you wait with dropping MDMA about 3 hours after taking in the 4-FMP. This way the redisual stimulation after 4-FMP euphoria has worn off will be supplemented with the huge euphoria caused by MDMA. So essentially you'll have a 4 hour build-up to your final rush of chemical happiness, and you won't end up with that much of risidual stimulation (which can be shitty once the magic is gone).

Combination of 2C-I and 4-FMP is one of the best ideas ever. Not only does it feel like regular rolling most of the time, 4-FMP also seems to enhance the visuals. For more and deeper visuals, you could add some 2C-E to the mix (so 2C-E + 2C-I + 4-FMP). Combinations of 4-FMP with 4-AcO-DiPT can also be truly mindblowing, 2C-D is also a good one. Haven't really got much to say about the other phenethylamines, I suggest you watch out with 2C-T-7 and the other ones, well...they just don't seem as much win as 2C-I/E and 4-AcO-DiPT. :) I have actually done some (non-academical) research on the different combinations with 4-FMP and 2C's, so feel free to send me a message if you want some info on the appropriate dosage.

ffs, treacle was actually asking where the research is. i.e. requesting information on how to better understand it
Perhaps I misunderstood, but this was not how I understood his post. First of all, this is the 4-FMP thread so it's not the place to debate on the neurotoxicity of MDMA. Secondly, a genuine information request typically consists of more than two sentences and is a reaction to a statement; my statement was not really about MDMA but about the combination of MDAI + 4-FMP. And thirdly (which is my own fault so no excuse) I am absolutely fed up with people quoting the 'cognitive impairment study' as the holy grail of MDMA research. I have personally put down at least 5 arguments that question this study, all ignored by the people claiming MDMA is non-neurotoxic.
 
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3rd I and ghostface- thanks so much for the advice. 3rd I- will prob end up pming you in the near future... as i mentioned previously I may not have the chance to try this til april so will wait til I know exactly what my stash is before bothering you but will def heed the advice regardin mdma (and yes i did mean that, i just always call it md but should be careful being specific with questions regarding safety!!).

and yes there was ambiguity in treacles post and you're right it doesn't need to be in this thread. i know fuck all about brain chemistry so personally wouldn't understand the research, or your arguments against it, even if it was presented. but think if anyone thinks no one of this is the remotest bit risky (barring the law) then they're probably kidding themselves.
 
Tried this recently, posted trip report.

The taste of this substance is awful, really foul. The smell is also really bad so purity could be an issue.

It feels alright I guess. I cant really criticise it even though it does have some negatives as well as positive effects.

Mostly it feels "clean" although there is some anxiety sort of symptoms even though they are quite mild.
 
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And you think that gives a general overview of the quality of studies performed? Since to me it is more of an indicator that you don't know where to find the articles (unless delivered on your doorstep by the Guardian of course). There's at least 500 articles about the neurotoxicity of MDMA (both pro and con); perhaps you should refrain from expressing your opinion as being factual until you have read them all?


Classical example of jumping to conclusions... As I have stated before in the thread regarding this study, it is possible to have about 30 per cent of your brain removed without extensive cognitive impairment. So although it seems logical to assume that brain damage leads to cognitive impairments, this is not always the case. Even the authors of this study themselves indicate they did not use brain imaging, so their study is not suitable to make any conclusions about brain damage.

Lastly, I was talking about the potential for neurotoxicity. So I am not making any claims about the neurotoxicity of MDMA; I am just stating that the 4-FMP + MDAI combination seems to have a lower potential for neurotoxicity. Since this thread is about 4-FMP, perhaps you better keep the MDMA fairytales to yourself, or at least confined to the ED forum with the other e-tards.

Oh, sorry, just because I've not read all of the articles online, I should be confined to ED with the other E-tards? I never once said for a FACT that MDMA isn't neurotoxic, did I? I asked WHERE THE STUDIES ARE that prove that it is. So, instead of being a cocky, know-it-all cunt, try providing some information, instead of running your fucking mouth.

Sorry for the derail, to the rest of you.
 
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