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Opioids Red Morphine ampules

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Ok so i have asked about these awhile ago and now they are almost here. I really don't know how to use them, suppose to be 50mg of morphine in each amp, i have pretty high tolerance so pretty sure i could handle a whole one. I would really like to IM the morphine though, wouldn't the bioaval still be 100% IMed. I really hate IVing i suck at it and always miss or poke myself like 10 times. Its not because all my veins are used up, its just i have only attempted it 4 or 5 times. Usually pills through a micron. So, i jumped on this morphine since it should be safe to IM if its in sterile ampules. These are coming out off a country I don't even want to mention. So, i think you guys can take a good guess. Any ideas?
 
Are you asking about morphine dosage or how to IM?

If its how to IM, check out this page which explains how to do an intramuscular injection.

As far as proper dosage, check out this or any number of opiod equivalency calculators to figure out your dose based on your current tolerance.
 
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That conversion chart is not accurate. Said I should take 320mg of methadone, if i take 80mg of OC. I think i would die if i ate 32 dones.
 
That conversion chart is not accurate. Said I should take 320mg of methadone, if i take 80mg of OC. I think i would die if i ate 32 dones.
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I've always heard of oral methadone being half the strength of oral morphine. If you say oral oxycodone is then double the strength of oral morphine...80x2x2=320. The conversion might be academically correct, but not practical due to the half life of methadone.

With oxy you might be that high for an hour after dosing. With methadone you'd be that high for a whole day. Furthermore if you dose methadone every day it builds up as your previous dose is only half eliminated or so and the one before that 1/4 eliminated etc. Assuming daily dosing and a half life of 24 hours (conservative) for a dose of 320mg the blood plasma would stabilize at 640mg.

Some methadone clinics have a ceiling of 100mg/d. This creates a stable blood plasma concentration of about 200mg and therefore always feeling like you just had an OC 60. Enough to keep most addicts satisfied.
 
Yeah those charts aren't very accurate.. No way 80mg OC equals 320mg methadone.. Just for a reference point, I take 70mg methadone daily. I can take over 200mg of oxycodone with no effect what so ever. 24mg hydromorphone (dilaudid) shots are a joke. But, 4 bags of good NJ dope can get me higher than a rocket ship.

So my 70mg of methadone, I would equate it to over 250mg of oxycodone. I gave my friend who takes maybe 150mg or more oxy per day, and does heroin occasionally. He drank one of my take homes (75mg at the time), and was nodding for 12 hours, almost comatose. Nearly puked.

If someone took 320mg of methadone they should make sure they have their grave pre-dug. Even someone who shoots a gram of good heroin a day wouldn't need anywhere CLOSE to 300mg of methadone a day to stay out of w/d and maintain though out the day.

That chart amapola linked to is completely incorrect, and someone could die real easily following those advices.

I have seen other converters say 75mg of methadone is equivalent to 183mg of oxycodone. Which sounds a bit more accurate(Not taking cross tolerance and length of action into account)

Someone could get hurt relying on these converters as the gospel.
 
^I linked to no such thing but have seen methadone mentioned as half the potency of oral morphine several times. I think cross tolerance and duration of action are the what make such a big difference.
 
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^I linked to no such thing but have seen methadone mentioned as half the potency of oral morphine several times. I think cross tolerance and duration of action are the what make such a big difference.
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In your above post you linked to this http://www.medcalc.com/narcotics.html did you not?

And it gave me some whacky as numbers, as well. Much different than other converters I have used. It said 80mg oxycodone PO was equal to 320mg methadone, PO. Which is absolutely incorrect.

It's all good brotha <3 I wasn't saying you were incorrect, just that the converter you linked to was not accurate. Just saying these converters aren't the most accurate and can potentially lead to harmful results if not used properly.
 
Just saying these converters aren't the most accurate and can potentially lead to harmful results if not used properly.
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Wholeheartedly agreed. Though oxy is about 3 times stronger than methadone, at such high doses and due to half life and cross tolerance it gets a little whacky. That was dokomo's calculator that I now see you are linking to as well :) Whatevz...
 
^Personally I read a few papers about each drug individually and then decide on a conversion for myself. A chart or calculator just spitting something out isn't quite enough for me.
 
Good point, amapola.

I've always used them as a starting point, never went the "well, 20mg of oxycodone will get me buzzed so I should take xx mg of xx opiate" route.

Small doses to start out with and then working my way up. I'm wondering where all these differing conversions come from..
 
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In your above post you linked to this http://www.medcalc.com/narcotics.html did you not?

And it gave me some whacky as numbers, as well. Much different than other converters I have used. It said 80mg oxycodone PO was equal to 320mg methadone, PO. Which is absolutely incorrect.

It's all good brotha <3 I wasn't saying you were incorrect, just that the converter you linked to was not accurate. Just saying these converters aren't the most accurate and can potentially lead to harmful results if not used properly.
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Nah I actually had linked to it, that is absolutely an incorrect conversion though. I've contacted the site operator to make them aware of the inaccuracy.

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^Personally I read a few papers about each drug individually and then decide on a conversion for myself. A chart or calculator just spitting something out isn't quite enough for me.
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Checking a conversion along with researching the different medications, cross-tolerance, etc is definitely the way to go.
 
lol oral methadone is easily double the strength of oral morphine, if not triple.


30mg oral morphine will provide nice pain relief and probably let you drift off too sleep easier, 30mg methadone will have your non-tolerant ass on the couch changing channels with the drool falling out your mouth.
 
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Wholeheartedly agreed. Though oxy is about 3 times stronger than methadone, at such high doses and due to half life and cross tolerance it gets a little whacky. That was dokomo's calculator that I now see you are linking to as well :) Whatevz...
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I think you are looking at it backwards, bro.

On my converter I use, I enter in

80mg methadone
25% cross tolerance

convert to equivalent oxycodone dosage

equals= 150.00mg

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So, that means that if I take 80mg, it is the same thing as taking 150mg


So.. That means if I normally take 150mg oxycodone for pain relief, and wanted to switch to methadone, I would only need 80mg to achieve the same effect.

Methadone is much more potent than oxycodone. About 2 times as potent, based on that calculator.

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And in regards to morphine - in order to achieve the same analgesia/effect as 80mg methadone gives me, I would need to take 225mg of oral morphine. So methadone is three times more potent than oral morphine.
 
After looking it up I definitely agree that methadone is stronger than morphine. The initial calculator and whatever I looked at to check it were incorrect. This article here is very good and has daily oral methadone to daily oral morphine at
1:4.7 (95% confidence interval [CI], 3.0–6.5; n = 16).

That is daily dosage though so half lives come into play. For a one time dosage whether it is 1:4 or 1:3 it's hard to say but yes, stronger nonetheless. This would also put it at anywhere from notably stronger than oxycodone to double the strength. The 1:6.5 range is scary as well. Goes to show you really need to titrate up your dosage.

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Okay so a warning for anyone using a calculator or chart out there. Besides the natural variability in effects as shown above...
-the calculator dokomo linked to was based on incorrect information
-that information was likely based on an incorrect entry on wikipedia here
-the person who made that incorrect entry misread this spanish dosage chart here

I wonder how many people have overdosed on Methadone and suffered brain damage or death due to these incorrect resources :(
 
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^I dunno man, good question.. Hopefully nobody. But I am sure that is wishful thinking.

Many people don't seem to realize that methadone is an opiate, full agonist, just like the more traditional ones.. They think "Oh these won't do anything, they are for heroin addicts, blah blah", and they end up taking like 80mg with no tolerance and dying.

It's unfortunate, man. Maybe we should create our own narcotic dosage calculator, that is more accurate. Here on bluelight or something. Could be another Wiki project. Hmm
 
Well not a lot of people, obviously. But I have come across some people (people who were into oxycontin and morphine and shit) who didn't know jack about methadone.. they had no idea it was powerful at all, and had no idea you could get high from it. They just thought it was "that juice they give dope addicts in rehab"..

My point is, that the majority of drug users in the world are horribly mis-educated when it comes to drugs, their effects, and their safety.

My point was, if one of those people I mentioned about methadone, knew nothing about them, and figured , "Oh these aren't going to get me high, blah blah, i'll just take 10'' with no tolerance, and end up dying because they didn't know what they were doing.

It is the sad truth of human civilization that most people are basically just completely ignorant to most things, and from ignorance we breed hate. And from hate we utilize violence, violence which in turn keeps people ignorant, due to lies spread about aforementioned subjects. A big visciious cycle of crap, bullshit, hate, racism, ignorance, arrogance, and egotism.
 
well we are off topic, still wanted to know if anyone has ever IM'ed morphine and what a good starting dose would be. I have banged 60mg of morphine through a micronfilter and felt pretty good. The ampules claim to have 50mg in 2ml of liquid, so was prolly just going to IM one amp. Or do you guys think i should just bang it, if it is medical grade, will a missed shot cause much damage? IM ing just seems so much easier and i don't need the rush i just want 100% bioavailabilty
 
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