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Why does LSD get a bad rep?

Like with any other drug allot of it stems from lies and exaggorations made up by the government and media.
 
Shambles said:
Dwayne: Figures are from Erowid.

If tabs tested at 0% active ingredient the dealer is still charged as if it were actually acid same as if you get busted selling coke and it tests as 100% baking powder you get charged as if it were coke. That's the law in the UK anyway dunno about elsewhere. The figures are used in the prosecution so both the defence and prosecution lawyers tend to get tests done independently to make sure there's no funny business going on - especially if it's a major bust.

Obviously the 60ug figure is just an average but it has remained constant since the 60s so either police are very good at only busting enough people each year to make the figures neat or it suggests that doses per tab have remained broadly the same the whole time. Or there's another one of those huge conspiracies to convince the world that the average tab is moderately dosed.
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If you sold flour as coke and they still charge you with selling coke, then what's the point of even testing it?

I'm assuming youre in the UK. Wouldn't that mean that the stuff you get over there is perhaps more potent then the average stuff you get in the US?

And the average numbers only take into account the stuff that was sent to a lab (a DEA lab, of all things), which is a very minor percentage of the entire LSD circulation. The DEA can and will say whatever it wants (for the "good" of the people 8)). By claiming that the average hit has got stronger, they can attribute more danger to the drug.
 
interestingly in the US (in the south at least) acid has a great rep among drug users while the 2Cs get thought of as gross chemicals.
 
From moving from big to little cities to the middle of nowhere, i have noticed that small towns are much more afraid of LSD.
Shrooms, Ketamine (lots of horse ranches around), and Salvia while it was legal they had no problem with, but LSD "A kid took to much and thought he was a glass of juice" I hear from so many people who swear on their life its true.
Its when I get a select few people i know to finally do it is when the word gets out and more people start wanting to try it.
But it just makes me mad how people think its such a bad drug.
IMHO shrooms make me feel much much worse than LSD (but everyones brain chem is different)
I just wish people would see the magic in it and just give it a try once if they think they can handle it. I always tell people its an experience for them selfs, not just a high and it seems to help their nerves but still.

Any way sorry about my rant just had to get it out after reading some of this haha.

Peace and love-
KID
 
Kid Cozy said:
From moving from big to little cities to the middle of nowhere, i have noticed that small towns are much more afraid of LSD.
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maybe because gvormnent testing started off testing LSD via small town water supplies...

Acid Dreams great book. its in the non-fiction section :)
 
Reefers said:
If you sold flour as coke and they still charge you with selling coke, then what's the point of even testing it?

I'm assuming youre in the UK. Wouldn't that mean that the stuff you get over there is perhaps more potent then the average stuff you get in the US?

And the average numbers only take into account the stuff that was sent to a lab (a DEA lab, of all things), which is a very minor percentage of the entire LSD circulation. The DEA can and will say whatever it wants (for the "good" of the people 8)). By claiming that the average hit has got stronger, they can attribute more danger to the drug.
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The point of testing something sold as coke (or anything else) is to have proof of what it is - only way to know for sure whether it's coke, some other legal/illegal drug or something totally inactive is to test it. You get prosecuted either way but is that baggie full of coke, baking powder, DOB, 2C-E, mephedrone, ketamine, heroin, any other substance that looks similar? One bag of white powder looks much like another bag of white powder and there's only one way to know for sure. Also, LE like to know what is being sold in different parts of the country, the purity levels and so on cos it helps them get an idea of how drugs are moved around the country and where they originate from. And yes, this is in the UK - no idea what the case is elsewhere.

Obviously seizures only show up the tip of the iceberg of the total amount in circulation but it is essentially a random sample so probably not a bad snapshot of the market. It's not just the DEA's figures cos the DEA only bust people in America - the average figure given is the worldwide average from collated data, as far as I know.

You are right that a made up figure would likely either try to show that doses were huge (to scare people off... and entice others) or tiny (to make it seem worthless). The fact that the average figure has hovered around the 60ug mark for 40-odd years is what makes it interesting and seem far more believable to me. It suggests that all the law enforcement worldwide has had precisely zero effect on production as it appears to have remained fairly consistent the whole time.
 
Shambles said:
The point of testing something sold as coke (or anything else) is to have proof of what it is - only way to know for sure whether it's coke, some other legal/illegal drug or something totally inactive is to test it. You get prosecuted either way but is that baggie full of coke, baking powder, DOB, 2C-E, mephedrone, ketamine, heroin, any other substance that looks similar? One bag of white powder looks much like another bag of white powder and there's only one way to know for sure. Also, LE like to know what is being sold in different parts of the country, the purity levels and so on cos it helps them get an idea of how drugs are moved around the country and where they originate from. And yes, this is in the UK - no idea what the case is elsewhere.

Obviously seizures only show up the tip of the iceberg of the total amount in circulation but it is essentially a random sample so probably not a bad snapshot of the market. It's not just the DEA's figures cos the DEA only bust people in America - the average figure given is the worldwide average from collated data, as far as I know.

You are right that a made up figure would likely either try to show that doses were huge (to scare people off... and entice others) or tiny (to make it seem worthless). The fact that the average figure has hovered around the 60ug mark for 40-odd years is what makes it interesting and seem far more believable to me. It suggests that all the law enforcement worldwide has had precisely zero effect on production as it appears to have remained fairly consistent the whole time.
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i heard many years ago, i forget the source, but that the dea was the one busting people then putting the products back on the streets. has anyone else heard of that?
 
The DEA is notoriously corrupt so wouldn't surprise me. If they did then they did a better job of covering it up than they did when they were importing vast quantities of cocaine into the US, creating the crack boom of the 80s/90s and providing the guns that fuelled the gang violence that accompanied it. They're too fuckin' stooopid and too fuckin' corrupt to cover up any major dodgy dealings for any length of time but I'm sure there are plenty of drug seizures that ended up lining governmental employees pockets. That is something they have always been pretty good at. They just aren't so good at keeping it quiet.
 
I know acid makes me manic, loopy, and over analytical when I am dosing often. My friends experience similar things.

I think LSD has the potential to cause these effects more than other psychedelics. I still believe it is safe to take though, but the residual effects on your mind seem to be more noticeable long after the trip.
 
I dont even think acid is strong, I only have one source to obtain it from and at £5 a drop, 4 drops at the cost of £20 doesnt even make me trip.

Is LSD meant to make you trip out like a k-hole does where you sort of go into a dream like state and could think your in a warehouse when your really in the comfort of your own home?

Ive done acid 5 times since the first time taking it this new year and the best ive gotten out of it seeing rainbow colours around objects and melting walls, and not recognising my mate when he was on the floor being sick i thought the whole carpet was a pool of sick but the next day there was hardly any. that was 1 drop at nye.


Does mirtazapine diminish the effects of LSD or something as I got prescribed it just before NYE?
 
I think one of the reasons that some people confuse LSD for something sinister and more physically harmful is because they truly don't know how it's made and are left to listen to the first person that offers them how. We've many of us heard people on the street say "acid is binded to the paper with strychnine" or "all acid is, is strychnine" or simple explanations of how one trips and why, including spinal pathology and really simple attempts at explaining something they simply have not had the proper sources of information on.

My knowledge is very short in some areas of life and sometimes I am guilty of going off my first assumptions to do with them but mostly try to remain humble. Most people do not study drugs as intently as I do and for 5+ years intently but it is incredibly hard to get them off the ground from some ideas like "well it`s a poison if it changes how your see".

-.-....
 
bighooter said:
I dont even think acid is strong, I only have one source to obtain it from and at £5 a drop, 4 drops at the cost of £20 doesnt even make me trip.

Is LSD meant to make you trip out like a k-hole does where you sort of go into a dream like state and could think your in a warehouse when your really in the comfort of your own home?

Ive done acid 5 times since the first time taking it this new year and the best ive gotten out of it seeing rainbow colours around objects and melting walls, and not recognising my mate when he was on the floor being sick i thought the whole carpet was a pool of sick but the next day there was hardly any. that was 1 drop at nye.


Does mirtazapine diminish the effects of LSD or something as I got prescribed it just before NYE?
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YES. Mirtazapine will block the effects of all 5-HTergic psychedelics. Its my go to for bad trips. Instead of just calming you like a benzodiazepine, it will actually stop the trip.
 
Reefers said:
YES. Mirtazapine will block the effects of all 5-HTergic psychedelics. Its my go to for bad trips. Instead of just calming you like a benzodiazepine, it will actually stop the trip.
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bad trips are usually the most valuable, why would you want to stop them?
 
Lmeer said:
bad trips are usually the most valuable, why would you want to stop them?
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Sometimes when the set and setting goes wrong it doesnt seem like it could be valuable. Idk, to each his own. I see what youre saying though, but I don't think it would hold true 100% of the time.
 
i dont know if i'd consider psychs a super safe class of drugs. normal people do horribly stupid shit on them all the time. i mean i'm not saying they have no place. people do stupid shit on alcohol too. both can still be fun.

but alcohol and hallucinogens are the two drugs that have put people i know out a window or over the balcony.
 
Reefers said:
YES. Mirtazapine will block the effects of all 5-HTergic psychedelics. Its my go to for bad trips. Instead of just calming you like a benzodiazepine, it will actually stop the trip.
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omfg that explains why I basically havent felt anything considering how much ive done without any previous experience.

I'm coming off the mirtazapine asap as i've come to the conclusion the majority of anti-depressants are useless and I dont trust the doctors/government one bit

Instead im going to use LSD for depression in combination with alot of aerobic excercise which helps enormously
 
Ive been on mirtazapine since NYE. Im currently on 30mg.
But i'm going to go down to 15mg for a week, then 15mg every other day for a week.
THEN NOTHING

So in 2 weeks time i'll be clean of Mirtazapine.

My question is how long will it be until I can start tripping on LSD? Does mirtazapine stay in your system for a while? If so how long?
 
Half life is at least a day so wait a few days until youre done.

Id just stop it cold turkey but thats me. 15mg every other day if not.

Mirtazapine sucks, but its a great appetite stimulant.
 
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