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How the British Fell Out Of Love With Drugs

Hasn't your "argument" (for want of a better word - "hypothesis" maybe?) been all about da yoof in da club so far, Dee? I'm guessing your younger friends probably aren't very representative of those outside of certain London scenes cos that post is way off the mark even out here in the sticks. There's been no drop in drug use amongst kiddiez or older kiddiez here. A change in the most favoured drugz yes, but very far from a fall off in use. I don't know a single person that has ever been to a gym nor one that would do anything but laugh at the idea whilst sniffing another line or three of ket. Whatever it is that the kiddiez are listening to at the moment here is very popular and it is no more based in the club scene nor the commercial scene than it ever was. There is life outside of London - honest ;)
 
More like "How the British fell out of love with SHIT Drugs" IMO
In the last 3/4 years i've been 2 Spain , Portugal, Italy Nn other places i can't recall atm .
N i ain't talkin like jus 4 a week , Opiates are my doc n in almost every city E.g Porto., Seveille,Lisboa, Millan the Gear has been double the strength n half the price . It's a shame the Euro Is fucked cos it was even cheaper then .

Ketamine AKA Techno Smack , not hard 2 work out why it is called that
 
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I havent taken drugs for 6month+ and i miss them so so much, im very fit, swim and gym for hours a day to compensate but its never enough! i might cry
 
Shambles said:
I tend to agree with Mr B up there. Kiddiez round here seem to fit a similar profile. Meph never took off round here cos everyone who tried it instinctively knew it was toxic crud. The yoofdom here were used to near enough pure MD crystal (which seems to be the main "competitor") so tried it once or twice and never bothered a third time. They may be mostly morons (and I mean that in the affectionate way) but at least they have sense and taste.

The growing market amongst teenz here are 2Cs and - in particular - ketamine. Both have always been available but use and availability have skyrocketed in the last year or so and they're loving it. Weed has fallen off the map virtually, GBL was always seen as a tramp's drug, MD was out of circulation too long (but is still seen as King when available) and RCs never really took off in a big way.

I am obviously no yooungblood these daze, but Mrs Shambles kidz are and so are all their friends. I don't mix with them socially as such but I do score off them so have some vague contact wiv da yoof of today.
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I'd say it's quite similar round here. Except meph was maybe a bit bigger for a short time & 2c's are taking off slower. A lot of people I know don't take MD much anymore because they aren't even aware they can get it, they stopped asking a long time ago.
 
Article is shite, reading the comments on it below made me fume -- pure ignorance of these cunts

To the people saying MD isn't much taken anymore or been replaced -- FUCKING BOLLOCKS. Everytime I go out, EVERYONE is fucked on MDMA. Hardly any exceptions. All meph users agree that MD is better anyway. You only have to read how the entire gamut of druggies on this forum obsess about MD. MD is the king. Simples. End of. Even during the drought there were still loads of people that still managed to find MD.

Also been trying to post this for an hour, the site is fucked and getting worse by the day. It wouldn't suprise me if 90% of the sites traffic was to ED (EXTACY DISCUSSION). Why don't we shut that down considering people don't use MD anymore according to some people on this thread?!
 
Meph isn't at all popular on the free party scene (Illegal Rave) down here at all. It has been demonised and it's a bit of a faux pas.
 
Round my area all the kids just do mdma pills (standbys etc). Don't think meph is even available on street any more? All the meph kids just do mdma now.

Also ket was more popular a few years back?

Its all just pills and weed round here? No sign of letting up?

Dee Dee the people you know are just a few months behind in the scene. I realised that when you were going on about mdma not being real etc. We all had that time a few months before you and it was over for us by then.

The people on here that disagreed with you just had a couple of months quicker on the supply chain. I think the fact you say people are doing meph says it all. Rond here all the meph went away long ago and everyone just does mdma pills and mdma.
 
so dee dee can you talk for bristols drum and bass scene or the techno scene in leeds or anything outside the london gay/gay friendly house scene? you are drawing conclusions from a small sample again (I am sure I have seen this happen somewhere before hmmm ;))
 
where did i say it was new? i am quite familiar with the origins of drum and bass thankyou. you seem to have misunderstood me, you are making bold claims about things based on your experiences;

MDMA has been available to me since last spring again. its not taken off like people want to believe, and its certainly not mainstream popular with my own eyes
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when your experiences since then seem to be limited geographically and genrewise. people in london need to realise that things happen outside the m25.
 
So far as leeds goes as soon as the facebooks etc came back there was a minor resurgence in popularity (everyone was still taking meph and I think some of the younger people had never seen 'real' pills before). The Meph started to dwindle as it got chopped to shit and there was a big resurgence in the popularity of MD. Now it seems peoples tolerances have grown some-what and these pills just aren't cutting the mustard for £10 a pop for most people so they're stopping buying them. Meph is very unreliable round this way and so now a lot of people are in drug 'limbo'. Was talking to my guy the other day and he has only sold a Q of mandy and about 50 pills in 6 weeks! Says a few months ago he'd do at least that in a weekend. Says the only way he will keep selling is if he can afford to sell cheaper to drum up some interest, but wholesale prices are still not that low. I can only speak for the house/tech/disco scene in leeds though, my mate in scotland says the beans almost sell themselves before he has them!

Edit: Ha just saw what you posted about leeds Evad.
 
Evad said:
where did i say it was new? i am quite familiar with the origins of drum and bass thankyou. you seem to have misunderstood me, you are making bold claims about things based on your experiences;



when your experiences since then seem to be limited geographically and genrewise. people in london need to realise that things happen outside the m25.
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Most of us do =P
 
Another factor they may not be considering is that other emerging markets may also be siphoning some of the supply away from the riskier drug markets in Europe.
 
ecsplosiv said:
Article is shite, reading the comments on it below made me fume -- pure ignorance of these cunts

To the people saying MD isn't much taken anymore or been replaced -- FUCKING BOLLOCKS. Everytime I go out, EVERYONE is fucked on MDMA. Hardly any exceptions. All meph users agree that MD is better anyway. You only have to read how the entire gamut of druggies on this forum obsess about MD. MD is the king. Simples. End of. Even during the drought there were still loads of people that still managed to find MD.

Also been trying to post this for an hour, the site is fucked and getting worse by the day. It wouldn't surprise me if 90% of the sites traffic was to ED (EXTACY DISCUSSION). Why don't we shut that down considering people don't use MD anymore according to some people on this thread?!
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Agreed. Totally. Especially the bit about the increasingly snail like pace of this site. Vent your anger here: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=509049 It is getting ridiculous now and forcing me onto other, less preferred sites. I tried to post a comment last night, but gave up after repeated time outs.

Anyway, I was also going to talk about the irrelevance of the link dee makes with current music trends. Music is a strange beast these days. Gone are the times that the 'yoof' get carried away on a wave of music trends as it's no longer the preserve of any genre, or age group. Music is now accessible to all and is open to many more to create it. The Internet, Youtube and MP3 generation has changed it's face forever. Like you dee, I've worked in the music biz for years. It's who I am. I've seen so many trends over the years, starting with the tail end of the hippy movement and it's sentiment. Acid was it's inspiration. Punk was my beast back in the late 70's and they liked their speed which matched the music's energy. The next big movement was the E generation as we know, But i feel that will be the last to have such an impact.

The point is, the use of drugs is no longer dependant on the club scene - well certainly less so that it was. So you really cannot judge the popularity of any drug based on the clubs you go to. Drug use now has less boundaries than it did, and is not governed by any genre of music. I know many older people who enjoy listening to Radiohead, or Porcupine Tree whilst buzzing away on MD. So it's no longer the preserve of the dance generation. Though it still sits nicely with it of course :) But I also know many more people (myself included) who just enjoy comfortable home trips. So yeah, judging drug popularity by club culture does not work anymore. IMO of course ;)
 
I think everyone should take into consideration that you can never generalise from your experience of your local scene to the country as a whole. Wherever you are, whatever your experience is only a tiny fraction of the total drugs consumed in this country.

dee_dee said:
dubstep, drum n bass, nothing new. was dancing to that and jungle 20 years ago evad, so its hardly relevant to popular culture today, i dont see this music making money nobody wants to push it into the charts, because not enough people will buy it, just like the drugs popular at these events
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Are you kidding? Do you know what kind of fees the dubstep (particularly the "blokestep" strand) DJs like Rusko, Nero etc are commanding for remixes and gigs these days? Every major label wants a remix to make their pop hits trendy.

Look at the remix that Skream did for La Roux and how ubiquitous it was.

Your average teenager or student, certainly in London, is much more likely to be going to drum n bass or dubstep nights than house and techno.

Look at Hospital records, they're one of the only promoters who can pack 4000 person venues, look at stuff like Annie Mac's nights - yes, clubland and nightlife is in a bad shape right now - there's a recession on and so many DJs have had their fees inflated in the previous years and are now everyone's feeling the pinch. But there's a lot going on too outside the circles you might frequent.
 
specialspack said:
Are you kidding? Do you know what kind of fees the dubstep (particularly the "blokestep" strand) DJs like Rusko, Nero etc are commanding for remixes and gigs these days? Every major label wants a remix to make their pop hits trendy.

Look at the remix that Skream did for La Roux and how ubiquitous it was.

Your average teenager or student, certainly in London, is much more likely to be going to drum n bass or dubstep nights than house and techno.

Look at Hospital records, they're one of the only promoters who can pack 4000 person venues, look at stuff like Annie Mac's nights - yes, clubland and nightlife is in a bad shape right now - there's a recession on and so many DJs have had their fees inflated in the previous years and are now everyone's feeling the pinch. But there's a lot going on too outside the circles you might frequent.
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I was going to say something along these lines. Chase 'n' Status have an album in the charts, as well. dee_dee; you're coming across as a bit of a know-it-all, when it seems you don't know a great deal about anything outside of where you live.
 
dee_dee said:
was dancing to that and jungle 20 years ago evad, so its hardly relevant to popular culture today, i dont see this music making money nobody wants to push it into the charts, because not enough people will buy it, just like the drugs popular at these events
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you sound like the guy the song 'its over, go home, your cage is clean' was written for. and i do find it odd you mention the words 'the charts' and 'culture' in the same sentence. but then i'm all about alternative culture. usually by the time something has that level of exposure, i.e. the charts, its had its influence and is, from a cultural perspective, going into decline- this decline is usually ensure by watering it down enough to make it sufficiently bland and catch-all for everyone to not mind it too much. or at least thats my argument about why i generally don't see bands in venues large enough for an actual stage.

i've never understood the 'this isn't popular therefore its shit' argument, even learned about it in second year philosophy, at least those guys tore it apart.

and also about music making money? people keep mentioning- oh this made the charts, people wanna remix this, etc. why aren't people doing things for the love anymore? this is why i listen to uk punk.

i just can't believe the equation of cultural importance and popularity, which dee dee seems to be making, hasn't been picked up on and slated yet. but my brain is totaly fucked right now so its possible i've misunderstood the entire thread.
 
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