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Study suggests little evidence Ecstasy causes brain damage

shiznik said:
HAHA please tell me this is a joke.
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Rest assured, it was a joke. :)

That said, I know the guy sharing my office is doing some research with MDMA, something with detecting MDMA postmortem.
So if I could get the funding for it, I would happily explore the effects of MDMA-use on verbal agressiveness through the Internet.

You seem to think that because I quoted you out of context and made a witty remark to leverage my intelligence I am somehow bound to have a proper argument with you... Why?
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Probably because I just crave a proper discussion, invested quite some time in this thread and so far most of my arguments have been totally ignored. Your willing- or unwillingness to have a proper discussion on this subject is probably the only option I have to be saved from crying myself to sleep the coming nights...
 
Hmm... Well, unfortunately I think "verbal aggressiveness" is a term inherently linked to the word "Internet", so your study may prove difficult. I have no experience in psychology or critical analysis, so as I said choosing to debate this with you would not be wise. If you want to have a discussion about quoting people out of context and attacking their words I'd be happy to oblige.

As far as I can tell your objective analysis of this study remained consistent in theory while the overall topic of debate evolved (or perhaps devolved, I find myself saying this a lot here) to how much damage is done, what else causes the damage, etc. Your scholarly discussion gets left behind in favor a laymen's. I suspect it would happen every time in ED.

Honestly though, it gets tiring reading all of these people who insist they can measure the damage they have done from consuming MDMA. It literally forces me in to an aggressive nature. I wouldn't know how to alternatively address it.

If you end up crying yourself to sleep at night I suggest hugging a body pillow - it works for me.
 
MasterSplinter said:
Jurys in...abusing MDmA will fuck you up
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Abusing anything will fuck up up tho won't it splinter. Drinking too much water will give you brain damage - does that mean water causes brain damage?

The question is whether using ecstasy causes you brain damage. There's been an awful lot of shit spewed about this over the years and precious little reliable evidence. Surely you welcome this study?
 
Ismene said:
The question is whether using ecstasy causes you brain damage.
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FFS dude... This study is about cognitive impairment, NOT about permanent or temporary brain damage. There are reports of people having 30% of their brain removed without considerable cognitive effects.
 
Ismene said:
Abusing anything will fuck up up tho won't it splinter. Drinking too much water will give you brain damage - does that mean water causes brain damage?

The question is whether using ecstasy causes you brain damage. There's been an awful lot of shit spewed about this over the years and precious little reliable evidence. Surely you welcome this study?
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WOW there is a huge difference between water and mdma hahahaahahahaha. Who are you trying to kid other than yourself??????? Abuse of ectasy can leave you fucked for an entire year man and if you take too much you can die. If you drink too much water u will die but your not gonna epxerience dpersonalization and serious depression for months to years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8elQT5si4U
The girl in that video obviously has something goin on with her brain. Her boyfriend who abused it with her everytime didnn't have any bad effects like her. We are all wired differently man.
 
I wish all illegal drugs would get thorough studies done into its long-term and short-term effects on the human body. It's unfair that these substances are not regulated by our government yet they know that there are people ingesting them anyways! Lovely isn't it?

MDMA needs more research done for sure, 40 years is not long enough to really determine anything substantial about its long term effects. And also it doesn't help the drug has been illegal for a long time so getting research done on it is tough as it is. This article does not help at all, as it almost seems like it's from the 80's when there was hardly any information on the drug and they were just going off of vague studies. Sure it may not cause brain damage but under what circumstances is this?? It's like buying a TV nowadays - the contrast ratio specification has no standard to say how it's measured so anyone can say what they want. In this case, MDMA seems to be treated that way. PLEASE say in the article how these results were accumulated! Such misinformation floating around.. this could actually cause problems with MDMA use.
 
MazDan said:
When tested it just seemed to link to advertising. Bluelight does not allow spam.
Maybe there was a further link somewhere.
Can you provide a direct link please.
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All the file hosting sites have ads. Sendspace has the least ads.

I'd be overjoyed to upload the article. The problem is I can't, because the maximum file size limit for uploads is minuscule.
Here's another file hosting site.

http://localhostr.com/file/lvPxuNc/ecstasyneurocognitive.pdf
 
Um we are not posing as super scientists bro. Want me to tell you how it fucked me up? Ill tell you, i was under the impression from some dick heads on this site that argue similarly to you saying that NO MDMA has no proven damage.. Just space out your usage and take vitamins.... you will be fine. Um no, i was sure to watch my self and have only been piped once and took a meth bomb maybe once. The rest of my pills were very clean, with maybe a little caffeine or K in them which isn't too bad. Well my drug of choice and still is, is weed. Meaning because of some usage of mdma almost every time i smoked weed it would be anxiety ridden, and some would turn into psychotic episodes with high doses of weed.
I definitely blame this on mdma, because i have read so many reports here of people saying they get panic attacks when smoking weed after they had taken E. Yes it is kind of my fault for being stubborn and keep smoking, but bottom line is my small usage of mdma fucked up all my weed highs. As well as i had some episodes of depersonalization and derealization, and some pretty hefty depression. I'm sure many of you can relate. Do you see where i am getting at? If i were to use heroin once a month or even twice a month for a year i would be doing 10% of the damage that mdma was doing imo, maybe even less. Basically i am saying, mdma can be like a switch. Your first few usages will be fine, but your next one may set a sudden list of psychological problems. There are so many people who use mdma, and get a benzo script or SSRI as a result... hm derp i wonder why?
Also other amphetamines are neurotoxic yes.. but lets not forget mdma works mainly on the serotonin system. The serotonin system being very fragile, and a lot less resilient than the dopamine system which typical amps deal with.
We can go all day dude, like the other guy pointed out a simple pub med search will factually say that serotonin axonal death occurs with mdma usage. Arguing the safety it has on your brain is what an e-tard would do.
 
FFS dude... This study is about cognitive impairment, NOT about permanent or temporary brain damage. There are reports of people having 30% of their brain removed without considerable cognitive effects.

Try and think this through. The whole point of the "E causes brain damage" theory was that was the reason behind the alleged "cognitive impairments"

So if we follow the same reasoning, if there's no cognitive impairments then does that mean there's "brain damage" either?

Y'follow?
 
alantis360 said:
Abuse of ectasy can leave you fucked for an entire year man and if you take too much you can die. If you drink too much water u will die but your not gonna epxerience dpersonalization and serious depression for months to years.
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If you drink too much water, but not enough to die, you will end up in a wheelchair and in a permanent vegetative state. That's a little worse than feeling a bit down for a few months after abusing E.

Now tell me which is more dangerous again? Abusing water or abusing MDMA?
 
Water is essential to life man. You gotta be chugging the shit out of water round the clock to end up in a wheel chair. You dont have to take mdma round the clock daily to end up with a fucked up head.

I think you are completely missing the point man. Who cares if a study shows it doesnt cause brain damage? Im pretty cure the brain heals from abuse. But I was completely fucked for almost a year man not to mention the residual anxiety it leaves you with.

Your giving people (especially young ones) the idea that mdma is perfectly safe. Mdma can be used responsibly but it can also be abused. I think the line that defines responsible use and abuse can be a thin one especially when people are in their honeymoon stage.

Water isnt gonna make you fucking suicidal if you drink it all day. Im real curious as why you chose to compare it to water, I'm pretty sure you could have come up with something a little bit better.
 
Interesting. I suppose if you abuse anything, there could be consequences. The question is, what is considered abuse? Some people say that it is drinking more than 5 units of alcohol a week. Some say it is eating red meat more than twice a week. Others say it is smoking 10 cigarettes a day. Still others might suggest that it is taking E once a week or smoking crack once a month or rolling a blunt every night before bed.

Truth is perception. Personally, I was a heavy E user for a year -- almost every weekend (up to 4-5 pills a night). I never experienced any of these feelings of anxiety or depression that others mention. Since stopping (I just got bored of it,) I am fully functional. I wrote a book. I have had the same job and am very active and productive in every way (socially, professionally, romantically, etc.)

So if I was somehow affected cognitively by my ecstasy use, I am not aware of it. As a matter of fact, I feel I am only getting better as I get older; physically, mentally and emotionally. But I also try to eat a healthy diet (green smoothies every morning, etc,) exercise regularly, maintain close family relationships, have strong community connections, etc.

I think that reactions to certain substances vary from person to person. Some people are highly insensitive to gluten, for example. I'm not one of them. Others react strongly to dust particles. I don't.

Perhaps it is the same reason that some people have a tendency to become alcoholics or drug addicts when others don't?

Perhaps it is the same reason that some people are affected negatively by certain substances, like ecstasy or alcohol when others aren't?

If you notice that you might have a problem, give yourself the space you need to be aware and take whatever action is most beneficial to yourself.

Good luck everyone.

Most importantly, be happy. It's a choice.
 
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alantis360 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8elQT5si4U
The girl in that video obviously has something goin on with her brain. Her boyfriend who abused it with her everytime didnn't have any bad effects like her. We are all wired differently man.
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Good little video..Ill be honest though, Im always a bit skeptical on those "brain scans" that show "holes in your brain"

The hollow areas are areas with decreased blood flow...thats not a hole.
 
alantis360 said:
I think you are completely missing the point man. Who cares if a study shows it doesnt cause brain damage?
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Because I've been told by every press report for the last 10 years that E causes "brain damage". If it's all a load of shit I'd like to know.

Im real curious as why you chose to compare it to water

Just to illustrate the difference between abuse and use. You can use water perfectly healthily. If you abuse it you die or end up in a permanent vegitate state.

I'm starting to think you can use E perfectly healthily too.
 
This was already posted.
I along with many others call bull, at least to some degree.
"we found that there was no difference in their cognitive abilities."
From my experiences (and from friend's experience) i believe that it can cause cognitive problems. Even with moderation.
And when i consume MDMA, i do not drink, i do not dance, and i rarely mix drugs.
Just because this article was written and put online does not mean it is necessarily true.

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also, just because it might not cause cognitive problems, does not mean it can't cause depression, depersonalization, etc.
 
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No Consequence said:
From my experiences (and from friend's experience) i believe that it can cause cognitive problems. Even with moderation.
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They assessed cognitive functioning 121 after last intake of MDMA, perhaps this can clarify the discrepancy with your own results? 4 months is really a long time, enough for a lot of the (undoubtedly present) short-term cognitive effects.

Just because this article was written and put online does not mean it is necessarily true.
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This kind of reasoning is more in place when considering information from Wikipedia for instance. This article was published in a respected journal (impact factor of 4.8 ) that has been around since 1884. Of course, that is no guarantee for quality...but it is an indication that it is highly unlikely it is 100% bullshit. ;)
 
3rd_I_blind said:
They assessed cognitive functioning 121 after last intake of MDMA, perhaps this can clarify the discrepancy with your own results? 4 months is really a long time, enough for a lot of the (undoubtedly present) short-term cognitive effects.


This kind of reasoning is more in place when considering information from Wikipedia for instance. This article was published in a respected journal (impact factor of 4.8 ) that has been around since 1884. Of course, that is no guarantee for quality...but it is an indication that it is highly unlikely it is 100% bullshit. ;)
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3rd I Blind, I was actually replying to another thread that someone started where they posted the same article.
It got merged with this one.

I was mainly trying to get the point across that even if it is proven that is doesnt cause cognitive problems, other problems can stil arise.
The OP of the other thread was basically saying "Yay it doesnt cause brain damage, that means it isnt bad for us!"
 
No Consequence said:
3rd I Blind, I was actually replying to another thread that someone started where they posted the same article.
It got merged with this one.
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I hadn't noticed this thread was merged with another one, guess that's the reason I misunderstood you?

Somedud, I totally agree with your post. Except the problem is that I can already see what the ignorant's defence will be: Because you post your personal story (which btw makes me truly feel sorry for you), they will start bashing you. Because 'you truly think that because you fucked up, everybody will get brain damage!?'. It happens all the time when discussing controversial subjects: People that display too much emotional ties to the subject are said to have lost their objectivity. However, people that use MDMA frequently and thus would feel stupid if they have to admit it is dangerous are just as 'objective' as people with stories like yourself.

Intelligent people understand and appreciate the dangers of MDMA, and act accordingly. This automatically means the only people left to defend MDMA are the stupid ignorant retards; the ones that can't even read past an abstract and are too ignorant to come up with counter-arguments besides 'it's al governmental propaganda' or 'all studies indicating MDMA is dangerous used meth instead of MDMA'.
 
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