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Help - I think I am GOD and thus NOTHING

Check this shit out, try to form a bunch of ideas about the implications of such a concept somehow affecting everything you know and try living by it for just a little and see if you can feel a difference, never mind that this is the most ridiculous sounding delusion of them all. Or don't!
I already did. It's an instantaneous reaction I have. I don't understand why you felt the need to suggest it to me. Unless you mistake my lack of empathy for ignorance.

It's not as bad as complete derealization, which I have had.

A god that is sentient could be lonely. THE God that is sentient would not allow loneliness. Perfect implies no want or lack.
God is not sentient in the same way people are. I understand this concept; I was only entertaining the notion. Hence the conditional "if" preceding my statement.
 
You're not God, you're part of God.

Your own senses and perceptions are the only things you can truly know, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't trust in the outside world...
 
"Consciousness" pervades everything. It is the state / interaction of existence.

See emergence.

You are the culmination of an immense array of biochemical reactions.

"Emergence" or "epiphenomena" totally is without any explanatory power. Totally superficial and naive "observation."

Please see:

Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
David J. Chalmers
http://consc.net/papers/facing.html

Yes, consciousness pervades everything. "Emergence" is NOT an explanation, but a facile empty word play totally absent any actual explanatory power. Infact, you have just argued AGAINST your own position that consciousness is somehow "manufactured" by interacting neurons and chemicals, by stating "Consciousness Pervades Everything" If you believe that then you are what is called a "panpsychic" in philosophical terms.

WHY DOES IT "FEEL" LIKE SOMETHING TO BE A BRAIN??? ***WHAT EXACTLY*** IS DOING THE "FEELING"??? SUBJECTIVE FEELINGS ARE ***EXPERIENCED*** OR "OBSERVED"... WHAT EXACTlY IS HAVING THE EXPERIENCE OR DOING THE OBSERVING? There are no physicalist, mechanistic explanations or even theories that rigorously even theorize an answer to these very fundamental questions. They are ALL a pile of suppositions and attempts to brush these questions under the carpet or eliminate the questions by "defining them away." These attempts are logically flawed and empty of any expanatory power and are merely attempts to avoid the question.

The whole physicalist "explaining away" of consciousness as some illusory emergent "property" is naive and incorrect. In what ontological space does this "emergent" property exist in? Why should an abstract "emergent" property FEEL LIKE SOMETHING TO BE IT? WHAT EXACTLY IS OBSERVING AND EXPERIENCING THE ABSTRACT "EMERGENT" STRUCTURE???

You have no answer for this, no matter how many linguistic loop de loops you perform. There IS no answer to this.

So yes, "consciousness pervades everything". To the extent that it is an a-priori fundamental property of the substructure of the universe (like space, time and mass) that is HARNESSED like the energy of chemical reactions, or like photons are harnessed by the eyeball / brain to increase you DNA's chance of propagation.

See the large bolded sentences below in particular. Chalmers I am betting is a FAR more accomplished thinker and professor than either of us or most people in the field who are merely hard scientists dabbling in Philosophy. He is a professional in philosophy with a long and distinguished career. His thinking cannot easily be brushed under the carpet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chalmers

David John Chalmers (born 20 April 1966) is an Australian philosopher specializing in the area of philosophy of mind. He is Professor of Philosophy and Director of the Centre for Consciousness at the Australian National University.

Background

Chalmers was born and raised in Australia, and since 2004 has been Professor of Philosophy, Director of the Centre for Consciousness, and an ARC Federation Fellow at the Australian National University. From an early age, he excelled at mathematics, eventually completing his undergraduate education at the University of Adelaide with a Bachelor's degree in mathematics and computer science. He then briefly studied at Lincoln College at the University of Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar before studying for his PhD at Indiana University Bloomington under Douglas Hofstadter. He was a postdoctoral fellow in the Philosophy-Neuroscience-Psychology program directed by Andy Clark at Washington University in St. Louis from 1993 to 1995, and his first professorship was at UC Santa Cruz, from August 1995 to December 1998. Chalmers was subsequently appointed Professor of Philosophy (1999–2004) and, later, Director of the Center for Consciousness Studies (2002–2004) at the University of Arizona, sponsor of the Toward a Science of Consciousness conference where he made his legendary "debut" in 1994.[1]

Chalmers's book, The Conscious Mind (1996), is widely considered (by both advocates and opponents) to be an essential work on consciousness and its relation to the mind-body problem in philosophy of mind.[2] In the book, Chalmers argues that all forms of physicalism (whether reductive or non-reductive) that have dominated modern philosophy and science fail to account for the existence (that is, presence in reality) of consciousness itself. He proposes an alternative dualistic view he calls naturalistic dualism (but which might also be characterized by more traditional formulations such as property dualism, neutral monism, or double-aspect theory). The book was described by The Sunday Times as "one of the best science books of the year".[3]
[edit]Work

Chalmers is best known for his formulation of the notion of a hard problem of consciousness in both his book and in the paper "Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness" (originally published in The Journal of Consciousness Studies, 1995). He makes the distinction between "easy" problems of consciousness, such as explaining object discrimination or verbal reports, and the single hard problem, which could be stated "why does the feeling which accompanies awareness of sensory information exist at all?" He expressed this distinction at the first Tucson Conference in 1994. The essential difference between the (cognitive) easy problems and the (phenomenal) hard problem is that the former are at least theoretically answerable via the standard strategy in philosophy of mind: functionalism. Chalmers argues for an "explanatory gap" from the objective to the subjective, and criticizes physical explanations of mental experience, making him a dualist.

In support of this, Chalmers is famous for his commitment to the logical (though, importantly, not natural) possibility of philosophical zombies, although he was not the first to propose the thought experiment. These zombies, unlike the zombie of popular fiction, are complete physical duplicates of human beings, lacking only qualitative experience. Chalmers argues that since such zombies are conceivable to us, they must therefore be logically possible. Since they are logically possible, then qualia and sentience are not fully explained by physical properties alone. Instead, Chalmers argues that consciousness is a fundamental property ontologically autonomous of any known (or even possible) physical properties, and that there may be lawlike rules which he terms "psychophysical laws" that determine which physical systems are associated with which types of qualia. However, he rejects Cartesian-style interactive dualism in which the mind has the power to alter the behavior of the brain, suggesting instead that the physical world is "causally closed" so that physical events only have physical causes, so that for example human behavior could be explained entirely in terms of the functions of the physical brain. He further speculates that all information-bearing systems may be conscious, leading him to entertain the possibility of conscious thermostats and a qualified panpsychism he calls panprotopsychism. Though Chalmers maintains a formal agnosticism on the issue, even conceding the viability of panpsychism places him at odds with the majority of his contemporaries.
After the publication of Chalmers's landmark paper, more than twenty papers in response were published in the Journal of Consciousness Studies. These papers (by Daniel Dennett, Colin McGinn, Francisco Varela, Francis Crick, and Roger Penrose, among others) were collected and published in the book Explaining Consciousness: The Hard Problem. John Searle fiercely critiqued Chalmers's views in The New York Review of Books.[4]
With Andy Clark Chalmers has written The Extended Mind, an article about the borders of the mind.[5]
[edit]Miscellaneous

On his web site, Chalmers has compiled a large bibliography on the philosophy of mind and related fields with close to 18000 annotated entries topically organized.

Chalmers appears in the video documentary "The Roots of the Matrix" (a reference to The Matrix) and presents a novel take on a large part of the "brain in a vat" hypothesis, maintaining that it is not, contrary to common philosophical opinion, a skeptical hypothesis.

He serves on the editorial board of the journals Philo, Consciousness and Cognition, the Journal of Consciousness Studies, and Psyche.

He is also noted for originating the (philosophical) zombie blues[6] and recently performed as part of the New York Consciousness Collective at the Qualia Fest held December 14, 2010 in New York [7]
[edit]Notes

^ http://consc.net/papers/five.pdf
^ http://consc.net/book/reviews.html
^ The Conscious Mind: In Search of a Fundamental Theory (1996), paperback edition, back cover.
^ Searle's review of The Conscious Mind 6 March 1997 (subscription required)
Chalmers' response to Searle and Searle's reply 15 May 1997 (free access)
^ http://consc.net/papers/extended.html.
^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyS4VFh3xOU
^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGu682Yh8UU
[edit]Bibliography

A partial list of publications by Chalmers:
The Conscious Mind: In Search of a Fundamental Theory (1996). Oxford University Press. hardcover: ISBN 0-19-511789-1, paperback: ISBN 0-19-510553-2
Toward a Science of Consciousness III: The Third Tucson Discussions and Debates (1999). Stuart R. Hameroff, Alfred W. Kaszniak and David J. Chalmers (Editors). The MIT Press. ISBN 0-262-58181-7
Philosophy of Mind: Classical and Contemporary Readings (2002). (Editor). Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-514581-X or ISBN 0-19-514580-1
The Character of Consciousness (2010). Oxford University Press. hardcover: ISBN 0-19-531110-8, paperback: ISBN 0-19-531111-6
[edit]See also

PhilPapers
Irreducible Mind
Niall McLaren
[edit]External links

Official website
David Chalmers's bibliography
Fragments of Consciousness - Chalmers's blog.
Interview with Chalmers - in Philosophy Now.
Consciousness, an episode of Philosophy Talk, hosts Chalmers
Video Interview on BloggingHeads.tv by science writer John Horgan.
The Mystery of Consciousness on Bright SBM Production.

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The below "Integrated Theory of Intelligence" looks inspired by Chalmers.... and there's also a physicist, Roger Penrose, who has written a number of popular books but is also one of the primary working leaders in physics today.

from Integrated Theory of Intelligence http://www.supraconsciousnessnetwork.org/

The brief discussion below presents the basic premise of the book "Integrated Theory of Intelligence", which might be categorized as an "ultimate theory of everything" that describes the interrelationship of Intelligence and Consciousness with matter-energy and space-time. Intelligence-consciousness, matter-energy, and space-time are postulated to represent the properties of a solitary universal basic substance that comprises all of existence within our universe. Courtesy of the publisher and the author this book is available in its entirety on this web site and in various download formats free of charge.
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Most scientific theories describing the fundamental nature of the universe treat the existence of life--of intelligence--as an evolutionary afterthought or "lucky accident" which somehow occurred by mere chance. "Integrated Theory of Intelligence" rejects this view as fundamentally lacking. In this pioneering effort, intelligence-consciousness is proposed as an intrinsic aspect of existence just as fundamental as the known attributes of matter-energy and space-time, forming with them an interdependent process of ongoing creation that has resulted in our present universe.

Working from an original set of axioms defining the basic properties exhibited by intelligence, the reader is taken on a thought-provoking tour which integrates into the book's proposed theoretical framework the latest findings from a host of scientific disciplines. Interwoven with the text are insights from such fields as biochemistry, neurophysiology, physics, cosmology, biology, genetics, and humanistic psychology, among others. Both panoramic and detailed, this look at the accumulating evidence posits the existence of intelligence as an unavoidable force in the operation of all phenomena, ultimately giving rise to the evolution of life and consciousness.

Written at a level that both lay readers and scientists not yet acquainted with these specialized fields can understand and absorb, this new view should fascinate anyone who is at all interested in intelligence and consciousness and how they have developed.

Rigorous yet balanced in its approach, "Integrated Theory of Intelligence" will challenge theorists and mystics alike to rethink how they look at the universe, mind, consciousness, the brain, and ultimately life itself.

In the book entitled the "Integrated Theory of Intelligence" the premise is developed that all facets of our existence are strongly interrelated and interdependent. Many centuries ago it was postulated that all physical existence was comprised of earth, water, fire and air. The current theory reframes these basic "ingredients" in the present-day language of matter-energy, space-time, and intelligence-consciousness

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose

Sir Roger Penrose OM FRS (born 8 August 1931) is an English mathematical physicist and Emeritus Rouse Ball Professor of Mathematics at the Mathematical Institute, University of Oxford and Emeritus Fellow of Wadham College. He has received a number of prizes and awards, including the 1988 Wolf Prize for physics which he shared with Stephen Hawking for their contribution to our understanding of the universe.[1] He is renowned for his work in mathematical physics, in particular his contributions to general relativity and cosmology. He is also a recreational mathematician and philosopher.

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Physics and consciousness

Penrose has written controversial books on the connection between fundamental physics and human (or animal) consciousness. In The Emperor's New Mind (1989), he argues that known laws of physics are inadequate to explain the phenomenon of consciousness. Penrose proposes the characteristics this new physics may have and specifies the requirements for a bridge between classical and quantum mechanics (what he calls correct quantum gravity). He claims that the present computer is unable to have intelligence because it is an algorithmically deterministic system. He argues against the viewpoint that the rational processes of the mind are completely algorithmic and can thus be duplicated by a sufficiently complex computer. This contrasts with supporters of strong artificial intelligence, who contend that thought can be simulated algorithmically. He bases this on claims that consciousness transcends formal logic because things such as the insolubility of the halting problem and Gödel's incompleteness theorem prevent an algorithmically based system of logic from reproducing such traits of human intelligence as mathematical insight.

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Penrose does not hold to any religious doctrine,[31] and refers to himself as an atheist.[32] In the film A Brief History of Time, he said, "I think I would say that the universe has a purpose, it's not somehow just there by chance ... some people, I think, take the view that the universe is just there and it runs along–it's a bit like it just sort of computes, and we happen somehow by accident to find ourselves in this thing. But I don't think that's a very fruitful or helpful way of looking at the universe, I think that there is something much deeper about it."[33]

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If you're thinking about that asshole with only one crazy son of a parcel who he sent when he changed his mind about the meaning of life a portion of the way through his creation, then yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Para_brahman

everybody wants to go to heaven, yet...

...nobody wants to go now.

though their god gave satan this world, this is the world the religious prefer to stay, rather than hope fro death to leave satans world and be with god :confusedface:
 
I am finding this thread quite interesting and noticed something mentioned a few times that I'm not sure has been addressed so I'll respond to it by quoting an excellent refutation by Grof.

7ca5p wins..

Like i said..

If i were to alter your physical brain in any way it would alter your consciousness.. you can't deny that. That must mean that consciousness is / comes from a physical thing.. the brain.

We have ample clinical and experimental evidence showing deep correlations between the anatomy, physiology, and biochemistry of the brain and conscious processes. However, none of these findings provides a clear indication that consciousness is actually generated by the brain. The origin of consciousness from matter is simply assumed as an obvious and self - evident fact based on the belief in the primacy of matter in the universe. In the entire history of science, nobody has ever offered a plausible explanation how consciousness could be generated by material processes, or even suggested a viable approach to the problem.

The idea that consciousness is a product of the brain naturally is not completely arbitrary. Its proponents usually refer to the results of many neurological and psychiatric experiments and to a vast body of very specific clinical observations from neurology, neurosurgery, and psychiatry, to support their position. When we challenge this deeply ingrained belief, does it mean that we doubt the correctness of these observations? The evidence for a close connection between the anatomy of the brain, neurophysiology, and consciousness is unquestionable and overwhelming. What is problematic is not the nature of the presented evidence but the interpretation of the results, the logic of the argument, and the conclusions that are drawn from these observations.

While these experiments clearly show that consciousness is closely connected with the neurophysiological and biochemical processes in the brain, they have very little bearing on the nature and origin of consciousness. Let us now take a closer look at the relevant clinical observations and laboratory experiments, as well as the interpretations of the evidence provided by traditional science. There is no doubt that various processes in the brain are closely associated and correlated with specific changes in consciousness. A blow on the head leading to brain concussion or compression of the carotid arteries limiting the oxygen supply to the brain can cause loss of consciousness. A lesion or tumor in the temporal lobe of the brain is often associated with very characteristic changes of consciousness that are strikingly different from those observed in persons with a pathological process in the prefrontal lobe.

The symptoms associated with various lesions of the brain are often so distinct that they can help the neurologist to identify the area afflicted by the pathological process. Sometimes a successful neurosurgical intervention can correct the problem and the conscious experience returns to normal. These facts are usually presented as conclusive evidence that the brain is the source of human consciousness. At first glance, these observations might appear impressive and convincing. However, they do not hold up when we subject them to closer scrutiny. Strictly speaking, all that these data unequivocally demonstrate is that changes in the brain function are closely and quite specifically connected with changes in consciousness. They say very little about the nature of consciousness and about its origin; they leave these problems wide open. It is certainly possible to think about an alternative interpretation that would use the same data, but come to very different conclusions.

This can be illustrated by looking at the relationship between the TV set and the TV program. The situation here is much clearer, since it involves a system that is human-made and incomparably simpler. The final reception of the TV program, the quality of the picture and of the sound, depends in a very critical way on proper functioning of the TV set and on the integrity of its components. Malfunctions of its various parts result in very distinct and specific changes of the quality of the program. Some of them lead to distortions of form, color, or sound, others to interference between the channels. Like the neurologist who uses changes in consciousness as a diagnostic tool, a television mechanic can infer from the nature of these anomalies which parts of the set and which specific components are malfunctioning. When the problem is identified, repairing or replacing these elements will correct the distortions.

Since we know the basic principles of the television technology, it is clear to us that the set simply mediates the program and that it does not generate it or contribute anything to it. We would laugh at somebody who would try to examine and scrutinize all the transistors, relays, and circuits of the TV set and analyze all its wires in an attempt to figure out how it creates the programs. Even if we carry this misguided effort to the molecular, atomic, or subatomic level, we will have absolutely no clue why, at a particular time, a Mickey Mouse cartoon, a Star Trek sequence, or a Hollywood classic appear on the screen. The fact that there is such a close correlation between the functioning of the TV set and the quality of the program does not necessarily mean that the entire secret of the program is in the set itself. Yet this is exactly the kind of conclusion that traditional materialistic science drew from comparable data about the brain and its relation to consciousness.
 
I am finding this thread quite interesting and noticed something mentioned a few times that I'm not sure has been addressed so I'll respond to it by quoting an excellent refutation by Grof.



We have ample clinical and experimental evidence showing deep correlations between the anatomy, physiology, and biochemistry of the brain and conscious processes. However, none of these findings provides a clear indication that consciousness is actually generated by the brain. The origin of consciousness from matter is simply assumed as an obvious and self - evident fact based on the belief in the primacy of matter in the universe. In the entire history of science, nobody has ever offered a plausible explanation how consciousness could be generated by material processes, or even suggested a viable approach to the problem.

The idea that consciousness is a product of the brain naturally is not completely arbitrary. Its proponents usually refer to the results of many neurological and psychiatric experiments and to a vast body of very specific clinical observations from neurology, neurosurgery, and psychiatry, to support their position. When we challenge this deeply ingrained belief, does it mean that we doubt the correctness of these observations? The evidence for a close connection between the anatomy of the brain, neurophysiology, and consciousness is unquestionable and overwhelming. What is problematic is not the nature of the presented evidence but the interpretation of the results, the logic of the argument, and the conclusions that are drawn from these observations.

While these experiments clearly show that consciousness is closely connected with the neurophysiological and biochemical processes in the brain, they have very little bearing on the nature and origin of consciousness. Let us now take a closer look at the relevant clinical observations and laboratory experiments, as well as the interpretations of the evidence provided by traditional science. There is no doubt that various processes in the brain are closely associated and correlated with specific changes in consciousness. A blow on the head leading to brain concussion or compression of the carotid arteries limiting the oxygen supply to the brain can cause loss of consciousness. A lesion or tumor in the temporal lobe of the brain is often associated with very characteristic changes of consciousness that are strikingly different from those observed in persons with a pathological process in the prefrontal lobe.

The symptoms associated with various lesions of the brain are often so distinct that they can help the neurologist to identify the area afflicted by the pathological process. Sometimes a successful neurosurgical intervention can correct the problem and the conscious experience returns to normal. These facts are usually presented as conclusive evidence that the brain is the source of human consciousness. At first glance, these observations might appear impressive and convincing. However, they do not hold up when we subject them to closer scrutiny. Strictly speaking, all that these data unequivocally demonstrate is that changes in the brain function are closely and quite specifically connected with changes in consciousness. They say very little about the nature of consciousness and about its origin; they leave these problems wide open. It is certainly possible to think about an alternative interpretation that would use the same data, but come to very different conclusions.

This can be illustrated by looking at the relationship between the TV set and the TV program. The situation here is much clearer, since it involves a system that is human-made and incomparably simpler. The final reception of the TV program, the quality of the picture and of the sound, depends in a very critical way on proper functioning of the TV set and on the integrity of its components. Malfunctions of its various parts result in very distinct and specific changes of the quality of the program. Some of them lead to distortions of form, color, or sound, others to interference between the channels. Like the neurologist who uses changes in consciousness as a diagnostic tool, a television mechanic can infer from the nature of these anomalies which parts of the set and which specific components are malfunctioning. When the problem is identified, repairing or replacing these elements will correct the distortions.

Since we know the basic principles of the television technology, it is clear to us that the set simply mediates the program and that it does not generate it or contribute anything to it. We would laugh at somebody who would try to examine and scrutinize all the transistors, relays, and circuits of the TV set and analyze all its wires in an attempt to figure out how it creates the programs. Even if we carry this misguided effort to the molecular, atomic, or subatomic level, we will have absolutely no clue why, at a particular time, a Mickey Mouse cartoon, a Star Trek sequence, or a Hollywood classic appear on the screen. The fact that there is such a close correlation between the functioning of the TV set and the quality of the program does not necessarily mean that the entire secret of the program is in the set itself. Yet this is exactly the kind of conclusion that traditional materialistic science drew from comparable data about the brain and its relation to consciousness.

I just wanted to say thank you for that. I just returned inside from a difficult 2c-i experience earlier this evening trying desperately to find a way to account for the relationship between brain and mind. And while you certainly have not answered the question, your analogy gave me an absolutely fresh way to think about it.
 
You are god. And now you have to live with that. So, what do you do? You do what you want: rule the world, change what you see fit, throw a party! But hang on, isnt that what you have already been doing all this time? Yes; its called Life. ♥
 
You are god. And now you have to live with that. So, what do you do? You do what you want: rule the world, change what you see fit, throw a party! But hang on, isnt that what you have already been doing all this time? Yes; its called Life. ♥

Now those are some reasonable implications for having entered the looney bin!

I suppose that the whole "I am God" thing can go in all kinds of pondering directions, God is one awfully funny word to humans after all.
 
Just because Chalmers (who I have a great deal of respect for) says it, don't necessarily make it so. ;)

Yes, I know, I posted that and the rest of the excerpts because some people here are taking an attitude of "shut up with all the 'mystery of consciousness' stuff because its all already totally known and figured out and its all the result of chemicals and nerve currents in your brain and we know everything about what it is and there is nothing strange or mysterious or unknown about it."

That Chalmers paper, especially the first few pages, does a very nice job of explaining what aspects are such a mystery and that we still have NO answer to.

Some peoples' black&white cut&dried certitude that there's nothing odd or mysterious or at least strange going on needs to be knocked down a bit.

I dont see how one can have had any actual deep intense psychedelic experiences and NOT realize that there are some mysterious and strange aspects to who/what/where we are.

It is not a proven truism that logic and science can always 100% describe and explain everything. Those are specific languages appropriate for their domains but not necessarily for 100% of everything that exists.
 
If any mad scientists know of a consistent blueprint of exactly where the mechanism of consciousness is and ends, please fly down from the table of the gods and collect your prize!
 
If any mad scientists know of a consistent blueprint of exactly where the mechanism of consciousness is and ends, please fly down from the table of the gods and collect your prize!

1)consciousness is infinite

2)we do not have mind WE ARE MIND


In 1932, Lovecraft wrote in a letter to Robert E. Howard: "All I say is that I think it is damned unlikely that anything like a central cosmic will, a spirit world, or an eternal survival of personality exist. They are the most preposterous and unjustified of all the guesses which can be made about the universe, and I am not enough of a hair-splitter to pretend that I don't regard them as arrant and negligible moonshine. In theory I am an agnostic, but pending the appearance of radical evidence I must be classed, practically and provisionally, as an atheist.[27]"
 
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I thinks it's funny how your can't make a sentence, yet your sure that god doesn't exist.

unless his usage of the word "god" and the other word "gods" were unrelated. in that case it would. and if his use of the word "gods" was used as a singular, in addition to the aforementioned. but i just like being a smart ass, i guess :) some words contain an "s" at the end appearing to denote a plurality, yet not always the case. (thought i'd elaborate a bit more)
 
I never said conciousness WAS physical. I said:

consciousness is a product of interaction of chemicals and physical forces. which is 100% true.

If you take all the mechanisms in the brain and replicated the chemical and electrical relationships between them in a laboratory. You would have created a conciousness artificially. Conciousness is a product of all the neuronal communication.

Its just a fact that atoms, organised in the way they are in the brain make conciousness.

exactly. therefore thought is matter. molecules can neither be seen nor felt, yet exist. we are matter. and consciousness is a part of us. therefore we are consciousness.
you ever hear someone say "he is unconscious"?
now, have you ever heard someone say "he has unconscious"?
we are physical.
we are consciousness.
therefore, consciousness is physical.

edit:i think i wrote that word to much. its starting to look weird coooonssscioussnessieonsenseesnioucsess
 
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