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Low daily doses of ibogaine to block addictive behavor?

It does work that way reading anecdotes of people, and it makes sense as craving is largely mediated by epigenetic changes or other adaptive chances.

Epigenetics is a hereditary process.

And what I mean to say is that the ibogaine experience, ibogaine being a mu agonist and a powerful dissociative and psychedelic, causes one to not undergo withdrawals that may otherwise have been incredibly unpleasant. The powerful psychedelic effect and the general set and setting of the experience tends to cause people to realize that they need to stop abusing whatever drug it is they've been abusing. If you've read trip reports of ibogaine, you know it is a euphoric experience, with strong visual and auditory effects, which can last for up to a week. It also causes profound sleep disturbance, sometimes manifesting as waking periods lasting over 100 hours. Safe once, sure, but often, certainly not.

The question is like asking "can I take low doses of MDMA every day to make myself more sociable". It doesn't make sense.

Ibogaine Ki/IC50 values:

5ht2a: 4 micromolar
5ht3: 4 micromolar
SERT: 10 micromolar
kappa-OR: 2-4 micromolar
DAT: 1.5-4 micromolar (IC50)
Calcium channels: 28 micromolar (IC50)
mAChR M1: 31 micromolar
mAChR M2: 50 micromolar
mAChR M3: 12.5 micromolar
Ganglionic nAChR: 20 nM IC50: irreversible inhibition!
Voltage-dependent sodium channels: 8.1 micromolar
NMDAr: 1 micromolar: "ibogaine is a competitive inhibitor of [3H]MK-801 binding (Ki ~1 µM) to NMDA receptor-coupled ion channels."
sigma-1: 8.5 micromolar
sigma-2: 200 nanomolar

Noribogaine Ki values:
kappa-OR: 1 micromolar
mu-OR: 2.7 micromolar (also reported as 160 nanomolar!!)
delta-OR: 24.7 micromolar

http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/alkaloids.html
 
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I disagree that the psychedelic experience plays a significant role in the anti addictive property's of ibogaine. Alpha-4-beta-2 HAS been associated with addiction, tolerance, self administration etc, so i definatly beleive that reversal of adaptive changes is the key here.
 
I disagree that the psychedelic experience plays a significant role in the anti addictive property's of ibogaine. Alpha-4-beta-2 HAS been associated with addiction, tolerance, self administration etc, so i definatly beleive that reversal of adaptive changes is the key here.

It doesn't matter if you disagree -- the effects of ibogaine are such that taking it daily would be really stupid and damaging to your health.

Furthermore, your assumptions disagree with published data -- o-desmethylibogaine is itself antiaddictive, but displays little nAChR affinity:

Desmethylibogaine and O-t-butyl-O-desmethylibogaine were 75- and 20-fold less potent, respectively, than ibogaine in blocking nicotinic receptor-mediated responses.
 
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Nothing really to add here, but I just wanted to correct dr808... Bupropion is not an SSRI. It's a Dopamine/Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitor and Nicotinic Antagonist.
 
Nothing really to add here, but I just wanted to correct dr808... Bupropion is not an SSRI. It's a Dopamine/Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitor and Nicotinic Antagonist.

Its actually a NE releasing agent, with very low dopaminergic reuptake inhibtion wich wont be very significant combined with nicotinic antagonism.
J Clin Psychopharmacol. 2003 Jun;23(3):233-9.
Neurochemical and psychotropic effects of bupropion in healthy male subjects.

Gobbi G, Slater S, Boucher N, Debonnel G, Blier P.

Neurobiological Psychiatry Unit, Department of Psychiatry, McGill University, Montréal, Quebec, Canada.
Abstract

Bupropion is a weak inhibitor of noradrenaline (NE) and dopamine (DA) reuptake and has no direct action on serotonin (5-HT) neuronal elements. In the rat brain, bupropion suppresses NE neuron firing activity via the activation of alpha(2)-adrenoceptors and increases that of 5-HT neurons through an indirect action on NE neurons. Twenty-five healthy young male volunteers, with no previous history of psychiatric disorders, were randomized to one of four 7-day regimens: placebo, bupropion (150 mg) once daily, bupropion (150 mg) twice a day, and methylphenidate SR (20 mg daily). To assess the activity of the NE reuptake process, the blood pressure response to intravenous tyramine was determined. A decrease in the systolic pressure response to tyramine was considered evidence of NE reuptake inhibition. Effects on 5-HT reuptake were assessed by measuring whole blood 5-HT concentration, with a decrease serving as an index of 5-HT reuptake blockade. The Profile of Mood States (POMS) scale was used to assess behavioral and psychological changes. Neither bupropion nor methylphenidate altered the tyramine pressor response, in contrast to previous data that demonstrated decreases were obtained with NE reuptake inhibitors. Neither drug modified 5-HT concentrations. However, POMS scores revealed that bupropion at a dosage of 150 mg/day increased composedness, agreeability, and energy, whereas 300 mg/day improved only attention. In contrast, methylphenidate improved only energy. These data provide no evidence that bupropion acts as an inhibitor of NE or 5-HT reuptake in healthy humans. Presumably it enhances synaptic availability of NE by increasing release. Yet, because its behavioral profile is different from that of methylphenidate, it may not share all the biochemical properties of psychostimulants.

PMID: 12826985
Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2001 Apr;155(1):52-7.
Modification of norepinephrine and serotonin, but not dopamine, neuron firing by sustained bupropion treatment.

Dong J, Blier P.

Department of Psychiatry and Neuroscience, McKnight Brain Institute, University of Florida, P.O. Box 100256, Gainesville, FL 32610, USA.
Abstract

RATIONALE: Bupropion is widely used in the treatment of depression and as an anti-craving medication for the cessation of tobacco smoking. Because it is a very weak inhibitor of norepinephrine (NE) and dopamine (DA) reuptake, its mechanisms of action remain to be elucidated.

METHODS: Bupropion was administered subcutaneously via osmotic minipumps over 2 days to determine its effects on the spontaneous firing activity of NE, serotonin (5-HT), and DA neurons in the brain of anaesthetised male Sprague-Dawley rats. This treatment was used in order to obtain levels of the parent compound and its putatively active metabolites that would more adequately reflect the clinical condition than utilizing acute injections.

RESULTS: When given by minipump for 2 days, bupropion produced a dose-dependent attenuation of the mean spontaneous firing NE neurons (7.5 mg/kg per day: 15%; 15 mg/kg per day: 61%; 30 mg/kg per day: 80%) which was reversed by the alpha 2-adrenoceptor antagonist idazoxan. At the highest regimen, the mean firing rate of 5-HT neurons was 100% higher than in control rats, but unaffected in NE-lesioned rats. In contrast, DA neurons in the ventral tegmental area displayed a normal firing rate during the latter bupropion treatment.

CONCLUSIONS: Sustained bupropion administration decreased the firing rate of NE neurons due to an increased activation of their inhibitory somatodendritic alpha 2-adrenoceptors. This effect of the bupropion treatment would be attributable mainly to an enhancement of NE release and not to reuptake inhibition. This contention is based essentially on the observation that NE reuptake blockers leave unaltered the firing rate of 5-HT neurons, whereas bupropion enhanced it via a NE-dependent mechanism. The present study did not put into evidence any DA activity of bupropion at the level of the cell body of mesolimbic/cortical DA neurons at a regimen exerting profound alterations of the firing activity of NE and 5-HT neurons.

PMID: 11374336
 
It doesn't matter if you disagree -- the effects of ibogaine are such that taking it daily would be really stupid and damaging to your health.

Furthermore, your assumptions disagree with published data -- o-desmethylibogaine is itself antiaddictive, but displays little nAChR affinity:

Reasing behind stating ibogaine would be dangerous for someone's health in low daily doses?

Yes its a NMDA antagonist, wich also show anti addictive property's, however is it comparably effective with ibogaine?

A few references regarding alpha3beta4.
Eur J Pharmacol. 2008 Dec 3;599(1-3):91-5. Epub 2008 Oct 1.
Brain regions mediating alpha3beta4 nicotinic antagonist effects of 18-MC on methamphetamine and sucrose self-administration.
Glick SD, Sell EM, Maisonneuve IM.

Center for Neuropharmacology and Neuroscience, Albany Medical College (MC-136), 47 New Scotland Avenue, Albany, NY 12208, USA. [email protected]
Abstract
The novel iboga alkaloid congener 18-methoxycoronaridine (18-MC) is a putative anti-addictive agent that has been shown, in rats, to decrease the self-administration of several drugs of abuse. Previous work has established that 18-MC is a potent antagonist at alpha3beta4 nicotinic receptors. Because high densities of alpha3beta4 nicotinic receptors occur in the medial habenula and the interpeduncular nucleus and moderate densities occur in the dorsolateral tegmentum, ventral tegmental area, and basolateral amygdala, the present study was conducted to determine if 18-MC could act in these brain areas to modulate methamphetamine self-administration in rats. Local administration of 18-MC into either the medial habenula, the interpeduncular area or the basolateral amygdala decreased methamphetamine self-administration. Similar results were produced by local administration into the same brain areas of two other alpha3beta4 nicotinic antagonists, mecamylamine and alpha-conotoxin AuIB. Local administration of 18-MC, or the other antagonists, into the dorsolateral tegmentum or the ventral tegmental area had no effect on methamphetamine self-administration. In contrast, local administration of 18-MC and the other antagonists decreased sucrose self-administration when administered into the dorsolateral tegmentum or basolateral amygdala but had no effect when infused into the medial habenula, interpeduncular nucleus, or ventral tegmental area. These data are consistent with the hypothesis that 18-MC decreases methamphetamine self-administration by indirectly modulating the dopaminergic mesolimbic pathway via blockade of alpha3beta4 nicotinic receptors in the habenulo-interpeduncular pathway and the basolateral amygdala. The data also suggest that the basolateral amygdala along with a different pathway involving alpha3beta4 receptors in the dorsolateral tegmentum mediate the effect of 18-MC on sucrose self-administration.

Eur J Pharmacol. 2004 May 25;492(2-3):159-67.
Novel iboga alkaloid congeners block nicotinic receptors and reduce drug self-administration.
Pace CJ, Glick SD, Maisonneuve IM, He LW, Jokiel PA, Kuehne ME, Fleck MW.

Center for Neuropharmacology and Neuroscience, The Albany Medical College, MC-136, 47 New Scotland Avenue, Albany, NY 12208, USA.
Abstract
18-Methoxycoronaridine, a novel iboga alkaloid congener, reduces drug self-administration in animal models of addiction. Previously, we proposed that these effects are mediated by the ability of 18-methoxycoronaridine to inhibit nicotinic alpha3beta4 acetylcholine receptors. In an attempt to identify more potent 18-methoxycoronaridine analogs, we have tested a series of 18-methoxycoronaridine congeners by whole-cell patch clamp recording of HEK 293 cells expressing recombinant nicotinic alpha3beta4 receptors or glutamate NR1/NR2B N-methyl-d-aspartate (NMDA) receptors. The congeners exhibited a range of inhibitory potencies at alpha3beta4 receptors. Five congeners had IC(50) values similar to 18-methoxycoronaridine, and all of these were ineffective at NMDA receptors. The congeners also retained their ability to reduce morphine and methamphetamine self-administration. These data are consistent with the importance of nicotinic alpha3beta4 receptors as a therapeutic target to modulate drug seeking. These compounds may constitute a new class of synthetic agents that act via the nicotinic alpha3beta4 mechanism to combat addiction.

Synapse. 2007 Jul;61(7):547-60.
18-MC acts in the medial habenula and interpeduncular nucleus to attenuate dopamine sensitization to morphine in the nucleus accumbens.
Taraschenko OD, Shulan JM, Maisonneuve IM, Glick SD.

Center for Neuropharmacology and Neuroscience, Albany Medical College, Albany, New York 12208, USA. [email protected]
Abstract
18-Methoxycoronaridine (18-MC), a novel iboga alkaloid congener, is a potential treatment for drug addiction. 18-MC has been shown to decrease self-administration of drugs (e.g., morphine, methamphetamine, nicotine) and attenuate opioid withdrawal in rats. In previous studies, systemic pretreatment with 18-MC abolished the sensitized increase in accumbens dopamine levels induced by chronic morphine administration. In vitro studies have shown that 18-MC is a potent antagonist of alpha3beta4 nicotinic receptors, and alpha3beta4 antagonism is believed to be the primary mechanism responsible for 18-MC's effects on drug self-administration and possibly on morphine-induced changes in mesolimbic dopamine. While there are very low densities of alpha3beta4 nicotinic receptors in the mesolimbic pathway, these receptors are prominently localized in the medial habenula (MHb) and in the interpeduncular nucleus (IPN). These nuclei and the habenulo-interpeduncular pathway connecting them are believed to function as part of an alternate reward pathway modulating the dopaminergic mesolimbic pathway known to be involved in drug addiction. In the present study, to determine if 18-MC acts in the MHb or in the IPN, the effects of local infusion of 18-MC into these brain areas were assessed on mesolimbic dopamine responses to acute and repeated morphine treatment. Administration of 18-MC (10 mug) into either the IPN or MHb blocked the sensitized dopamine response to repeated morphine in the nucleus accumbens; 18-MC had no effect on the dopamine response to acute morphine. The results suggest that 18-MC acts in the habenulo-interpeduncular pathway to modulate the effects of repeated morphine in the dopaminergic mesolimbic system.

Eur J Pharmacol. 2005 Nov 21;525(1-3):98-104. Epub 2005 Nov 10.
Attenuation of morphine withdrawal signs by intracerebral administration of 18-methoxycoronaridine.
Panchal V, Taraschenko OD, Maisonneuve IM, Glick SD.

Center for Neuropharmacology and Neuroscience MC-136, Albany Medical College, 47 New Scotland Avenue, Albany, NY 12208, USA.
Abstract
18-Methoxyroconaridine (18-MC), a synthetic derivative of ibogaine, reduces morphine self-administration and alleviates several signs of acute opioid withdrawal in rats. Although there is already well documented evidence of the mechanism mediating 18-MC's action to reduce the rewarding effects of morphine, nothing is known about the mechanism responsible for 18-MC's attenuation of opioid withdrawal. In vitro studies have demonstrated that 18-MC is a potent antagonist of alpha3beta4 nicotinic receptors (IC50=0.75 microM), which are predominantly located in the medial habenula and interpeduncular nuclei. Previous work indicating that alpha3beta4 nicotinic receptors mediate 18-MC's effects on drug self-administration prompted us to assess whether brain areas having high or moderate densities of alpha3beta4 receptors might be involved in 18-MC's modulation of opioid withdrawal. To test this possibility, 18-MC was locally administered into the medial habenula, interpeduncular nucleus and locus coeruleus of morphine-dependent rats; this treatment was followed by naltrexone to precipitate a withdrawal syndrome. Pretreatment with various doses of 18-MC into the locus coeruleus significantly reduced wet-dog shakes, teeth chattering, burying and diarrhea, while pretreatment into the medial habenula attenuated teeth chattering, burying, and weight loss. Some doses of 18-MC administered into the interpeduncular nucleus significantly ameliorated rearing, teeth chattering, and burying, while other doses exacerbated diarrhea and teeth chattering. The present findings suggest that 18-MC may act in all three nuclei to suppress various signs of opioid withdrawal.

Eur J Pharmacol. 2005 Apr 25;513(3):207-18. Epub 2005 Apr 14.
Is antagonism of alpha3beta4 nicotinic receptors a strategy to reduce morphine dependence?
Taraschenko OD, Panchal V, Maisonneuve IM, Glick SD.

Center for Neuropharmacology and Neuroscience MC-136, Albany Medical College, 47 New Scotland Avenue, Albany, NY 12208, USA. [email protected]
Abstract
18-Methoxycoronaridine, a synthetic iboga alkaloid congener, has been previously shown to attenuate several signs of morphine withdrawal in rats. The recently discovered action of 18-methoxycoronaridine to block alpha3beta4 nicotinic receptors may be responsible for this effect. To test this hypothesis the effects of non-selective alpha3beta4 receptor antagonists, dextromethorphan, mecamylamine, bupropion, and their combinations, were assessed on of acute naltrexone-precipitated (1 mg/kg i.p.) morphine withdrawal in rats. Dextromethorphan (5-40 mg/kg, s.c.), mecamylamine (0.25-4 mg/kg, i.p.) and bupropion (10-30 mg/kg, i.p.) alone produced variable effects on signs of withdrawal. However, two low-dose combinations, i.e., dextromethorphan (5 mg/kg, s.c.) and mecamylamine (0.25 mg/kg, i.p.), mecamylamine (0.25 mg/kg, i.p.) and bupropion (10 mg/kg, i.p.) as well as the three-drug combination significantly attenuated diarrhea and weight loss; none of the agents administered alone had these effects. The results of the present study provide evidence that alpha3beta4 nicotinic receptors are involved in the expression of at least two signs of opioid withdrawal.
 
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I’m late in the discussion and many topics were already covered so I’m going to start my response with the OP and touch a few points throughout the thread. I’ll expound when I have more time later.

I'm not really addicted to anything, but tried enough times to take my adhd meds properly without succes, witch leaves me half the month without amphetamine and the other half in a state that isnt very therapeutic for ADHD.

Ibogaine apperantly cures drug craving, i was wondering wheter it would work in low daily doses? Either way i will try it soon.
I work with low dose iboga in the form of ibogaine, iboga TA (total alkaloid), and the root bark from the T. iboga plant. The first thing I want to note is that ibogaine has many known drug interactions. Administration with other substances isn’t recommended. Ibogaine (as well as TA/root bark) in low doses is a mild stimulant and in my personal experience has some beneficial qualities in treating ADHD. I find it gives me great focus and the stimulant effect isn’t like that of amphetamines, but the uplifting energizing feeling of a many psychedelics in low doses.

I used the total alkaloid (estimated 80% ibogaine / 20% ibogamine) in a low dose protocol for 12 days, 50mg’s upon waking daily. The first 4-5 days effects were very mild with a only a slight stimulant effect. As time progressed however the “psychedelic” effect began to increase. By days 11-12 I was near a psychedelic stage and highly sensitive, needing to be isolated or only around people that were aware of my situation.

I noticed an increase in my exercise routine immediately, the stimulate effect was great fuel. I noted a reduction in junkfoods and an increased need for hydration. I also noted an increase in cigarette consumption toward days 3-4 that lasted for several days as emotional baggage was surfaced by the ibogaine.

Now to the discussion of ibogaine safety in low doses. There are many considerations here, preexisting conditions, set and setting etc… But one thing I wanted to note is that the root bark of the T. Iboga plant (ibogaine is the primary alkaloid) is eaten on a regular (often daily) basis in equatorial West Africa… and this has been the case for a documented several hundred years, and probably closer to thousands. I know 5-6 people currently eating a teaspoon a day of root bark for anti-depressant qualities. Several of them have been doing this daily for 3 months or longer with many positive effects. I’m having them write experience reports for me to post within the next few weeks.

I specifically work with ibogaine for detox and addiction treatment. But happen to be working on an article now for low dose therapies that should be published in the next few weeks on www.ibogamind.com . I hope that my input helped… if you have more questions relating to ibog(aine)… please ask.

rootlogik
 
Are you Paul-Featherstone root?

Also is there any point taking a short-acting-opiate 1 or 2 months after quitting bup to do Iboga/Ibogaine?

cheers man.
 
I have ADD+dyslexia and the only thing that keeps my cravings/drug-seeking behavior at bay is d-amphetamine

Aside from that, magnesium, b-complex, phenylalanine and tyrosine... If i didn't take those daily i'd feel like crap (taking suppl daily for 8yrs now) and not be able to think too clearly

I'd say stick with the meds if they truly help you. Get someone to dispense them to you or something. AD(H)D isn't something to mess with too much when you have responsibilities in the world and can't afford to be dysfunctional
 
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Some more interesting info:
"Goutarel et al. (1993) described the use of ibogaine in dosages of 10–50 mg as an antidepressant, and some contemporary lay providers presently use similar dosages given daily over periods of several days or weeks, to which they attribute an antidepressant effect or the diminution of craving (Kroupa and Wells, 2005). Interestingly, the low dose regimen is also reportedly used to limit or reduce opioid tolerance, which is an effect attributed to ibogaine in a patent obtained by Ciba Pharmaceutical 50 years ago (Schneider, 1957), and has been observed in subsequent preclinical research (Cao and Bhargava, 1997).

Goutarel, R., Gollnhofer, O., Sillans, R., 1993. Pharmacodynamics and therapeutic applications of iboga and ibogaine. Psychedelic Monographs and Essays 66, 71–111.

Kroupa, P.K., Wells, H., 2005. Ibogaine in the 21st century: boosters, tuneups and maintenance. Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) Bulletin XV, 21–24.

Schneider, J.A., 1957. Ciba Pharmaceutical Products Inc., Summit, New Jersey, assignee Tabernanthine, Ibogaine containing analgesic compostions. US patent 2,817,623.

Cao, Y.J., Bhargava, H.N., 1997. Effects of ibogaine on the development of tolerance to antinociceptive action of mu-, delta- and kappa-opioid receptor agonists in mice. Brain Research 752, 250–254.
http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14451&page=3

Example 5
Effect of Mecamylamine, 18-Methoxycoronaridine, Dextromethorphan, Mecamylamine/18-Methoxycoronaridine, Mecamylamine/Dextromethorphan, and Dextromethorphan/18-Methoxycoronaridine Drug Treatments on Morphine and Methamphetamine Self-administration
FIGS. 5-7 show the effects of mecamylamine, 18-methoxycoronaridine, dextromethorphan, mecamylamine/18-methoxycoronaridine, mecamylamine/dextromethorphan, and dextromethorphan/18-methoxycoronaridine drug treatments on morphine and methamphetamine self-administration and on responding for water.

More particularly, FIG. 5 shows the effects of the drugs and drug combinations on morphine self-administration. Rats were administered two of the following treatments before testing: mecamylamine (1 mg/kg i.p., 30 min) (“Mec 1”), 18-methoxycoronaridine (1 mg/kg i.p., 15 min) (“18MC 1”), dextromethorphan (5 mg/kg s.c., 20 min) (“DM 5”), or vehicle (saline for mecamylamine and dextromethorphan; phosphate buffer for 18-methoxycoronaridine). Each data point represents the mean (±S.E.M.) percent of baseline of 6-8 rats. Significant differences between baseline and treatment are indicated by an asterisk (paired t-test, P<0.01-0.001).

FIG. 6 shows the effects of the drugs and drug combinations on methamphetamine self-administration. Rats were administered two of the following treatments before testing: mecamylamine (1 mg/kg i.p., 30 min) (“Mec 1”), 18-methoxycoronaridine (2 mg/kg i.p., 15 min) (“18MC 2”), dextromethorphan (5 mg/kg s.c., 20 min) (“DM 5”), or vehicle (saline for mecamylamine and dextromethorphan; phosphate buffer for 18-methoxycoronaridine). Each data point represents the mean (±S.E.M.) percent of baseline of 6-7 rats. Significant differences between baseline and treatment are indicated by an asterisk (paired t-test, P<0.01).

FIG. 7 shows the effects of the drugs and drug combinations on responding for water. Rats were administered two of the following treatments before testing: mecamylamine (1 mg/kg i.p., 30 min) (“Mec 1”), 18-methoxycoronaridine (2 mg/kg i.p., 15 min) (“18MC 2”), dextromethorphan (5 mg/kg s.c., 20 min) (“DM 5”), or vehicle (saline for mecamylamine and dextromethorphan; phosphate buffer for 18-methoxycoronaridine). Each data point represents the mean (±S.E.M.) percent of baseline of 6 rats.

All three drug combinations (i.e., mecamylamine/18-methoxycoronaridine, mecamylamine/dextromethorphan, and dextromethorphan/18-methoxycoronaridine), but none of the drugs administered alone, significantly decreased morphine and methamphetamine self-administration while having no effect on responding for water. The particular doses of 18-methoxycoronaridine, dextromethorphan, and mecamylamine selected for study were, in each instance, based on the respective dose-response functions. The doses of 18-methoxycoronaridine (1 and 2 mg/kg) were approximately one-fifth of those required to decrease morphine (Glick et al., “18-Methoxycoronaridine, a Non-toxic Iboga Alkaloid Congener: Effects on Morphine and Cocaine Self-administration and on Mesolimbic Dopamine Release in Rats,” Brain Res., 719:29-35 (1996), which is hereby incorporated by reference) and methamphetamine (Glick I, which is hereby incorporated by reference) self-administration, respectively, when administered alone. The dose of dextromethorphan (5 mg/kg) was one-half to one-fourth of that necessary to decrease morphine and methamphetamine self-administration (Glick et al., “Comparative Effects of Dextromethorphan and Dextrorphan on Morphine, Methamphetamine, and Nicotine Self-administration in Rats,” Europ. J. Pharmacol., 422:87-90 (2001), which is hereby incorporated by reference), respectively, when administered alone. The dose of mecamylamine (1 mg/kg) was one-third of that required to decrease either morphine or methamphetamine self-administration, and, at a dose of 3 mg/kg, mecamylamine also decreases responding for water (data not shown). Lastly, although FIG. 7 only shows results with the 2 mg/kg dosage of 18-methoxycoronaridine, virtually identical results were found with 1 mg/kg.

Example 6
Effect of Mecamylamine, 18-Methoxycoronaridine, Dextromethorphan, Bupropion, Mecamylamine/Bupropion, Dextromethorphan/Bupropion, and 18-Methoxycoronaridine/Bupropion Drug Treatments on Morphine and Methamphetamine Self-administration
FIGS. 8-10 show the effects of mecamylamine, 18-methoxycoronaridine, dextromethorphan, bupropion, mecamylamine/bupropion, dextromethorphan/bupropion, and 18-methoxycoronaridine/bupropion drug treatments on morphine and methamphetamine self-administration and on responding for water.

More particularly, FIG. 8 shows the effects of the drugs and drug combinations on morphine self-administration. Rats were administered two of the following treatments before testing: mecamylamine (1 mg/kg i.p., 30 min) (“Mec 1”), 18-methoxycoronaridine (1 mg/kg i.p., 15 min) (“18MC1”), dextromethorphan (5 mg/kg s.c., 20 min) (“DM5”), bupropion (5 mg/kg i.p., 15 min) (“Bup5”), or vehicle (saline for mecamylamine, dextromethorphan and bupropion; phosphate buffer for 18-methoxycoronaridine). Each data point represents the mean (±S.E.M.) percent of baseline of 5-8 rats. Significant differences between baseline and treatment are indicated by an asterisk (paired t-test), P<0.05-0.01).

FIG. 9 shows the effects of the drugs and drug combinations on methamphetamine self-administration. Rats were administered two of the following treatments before testing: mecamylamine (1 mg/kg i.p., 30 min) (“Mec 1”), 18-methoxycoronaridine (5 mg/kg i.p., 15 min) (“18MC5”), dextromethorphan (10 mg/kg s.c., 20 min) (“DM10”), bupropion (10 mg/kg i.p., 15 min) (“Bup10”), or vehicle (saline for mecamylamine, dextromethorphan and bupropion; phosphate buffer for 18-methoxycoronaridine). Each data point represents the mean (±S.E.M.) percent of baseline of 5-9 rats. Significant differences between baseline and treatment are indicated by an asterisk (paired t-test, P<0.01).

FIG. 10 shows the effects of the drugs and drug combinations on responding for water. Rats were administered two of the following treatments before testing: mecamylamine (1 mg/kg i.p., 30 min) (“Mec 1”), 18-methoxycoronaridine (5 mg/kg i.p., 15 min) (“18MC5”), dextromethorphan (10 mg/kg s.c., 20 min) (“DM10”), bupropion (10 mg/kg i.p., 15 min) (“Bup10”), or vehicle (saline for mecamylamine, dextromethorphan and bupropion; phosphate buffer for 18-methoxycoronaridine). Each data point represents the mean (±S.E.M.) percent of baseline of 6-7 rats.

All three drug combinations (i.e., mecamylamine/bupropion, dextromethorphan/bupropion, and 18-methoxycoronaridine/bupropion), but none of the drugs administered alone, significantly decreased morphine and methamphetamine self-administration while having no effect on responding for water.

Example 7
Effect of Drugs and Drug Combinations on Nicotine Self-administration
FIGS. 11 and 12 show the effects of mecamylamine, 18-methoxycoronaridine, dextromethorphan, bupropion, mecamylamine/18-methoxycoronaridine, mecamylamine/dextromethorphan, and dextromethorphan/18-methoxycoronaridine, mecamylamine/bupropion, dextromethorphan/bupropion, and 18-methoxycoronaridine/bupropion drug treatments on nicotine self-administration.

More particularly, FIG. 11 shows the effects of mecamylamine, 18-methoxycoronaridine, dextromethorphan, mecamylamine/18-methoxycoronaridine, mecamylamine/dextromethorphan, and dextromethorphan/18-methoxycoronaridine, on nicotine self-administration. Rats were administered two of the following treatments before testing: mecamylamine (0.1 mg/kg i.p., 30 min) (“Mec 0.1”), 18-methoxycoronaridine (0.5 mg/kg i.p., 15 min) (“18MC 0.5”), dextromethorphan (0.5 mg/kg s.c., 20 min) (“DM 0.5”), or vehicle (saline for mecamylamine and dextromethorphan; phosphate buffer for 18-methoxycoronaridine). Each data point represents the mean (±S.E.M.) percent of baseline of 5-7 rats. Significant differences between baseline and treatment are indicated by an asterisk (paired t-test, P<0.01).

FIG. 12 shows the effects of mecamylamine, 18-methoxycoronaridine, dextromethorphan, bupropion, mecamylamine/bupropion, dextromethorphan/bupropion, and 18-methoxycoronaridine/bupropion drug treatments on nicotine self-administration. Rats were administered two of the following treatments before testing: mecamylamine (0.1 mg/kg i.p., 30 min) (“Mec 0.1”), 18-methoxycoronaridine (0.5 mg/kg i.p., 15 min) (“18MC 0.5”), dextromethorphan (0.5 mg/kg s.c., 20 min) (“DM 0.5”), bupropion (5 mg/kg i.p., 15 min) (“Bup5”), or vehicle (saline for mecamylamine, dextromethorphan and bupropion; phosphate buffer for 18-methoxycoronaridine). Each data point represents the mean (±S.E.M.) percent of baseline of 5-8 rats. Significant differences between baseline and treatment are indicated by an asterisk (paired t-test, P<0.01).

All six drug combinations (i.e., mecamylamine/18-methoxycoronaridine, mecamylamine/dextromethorphan, dextromethorphan/18-methoxycoronaridine, mecamylamine/bupropion, dextromethorphan/bupropion, and 18-methoxycoronaridine/bupropion), but none of the drugs administered alone, significantly decreased nicotine self-administration. Control experiments showed that these drug combinations had no significant effect on responding for water.

Although the invention has been described in detail for the purpose of illustration, it is understood that such detail is solely for that purpose, and variations can be made therein by those skilled in the art without departing from the spirit and scope of the invention which is defined by the following claims.
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Are you Paul-Featherstone root?

Also is there any point taking a short-acting-opiate 1 or 2 months after quitting bup to do Iboga/Ibogaine?

cheers man.
There would be no reason to reintroduce a (SAO) short acting opiate 1-2 months after discontinuing buprenorphine. The switch is for someone who couldn't step off the Suboxone for that amount of time. So they instead switch to short acting opiates, with no titration of buprenoprhine, and 30 days later undertake ibogaine treatment. This is why ibogaine is so novel for treating Suboxone… you can be fully detoxed in such a short amount of time.

If someone were able to discontinue Suboxone for 1-2 months and then take ibogaine treatment, that would be an ideal scenario. At that point if the person was stable and didn't feel the need for a dream inducing dose with ibogaine, they could potentially take incremental sub-psychedelic doses to alleviate (PAWS) post acute withdrawal symptoms.

I’m not Paul, but you can reach me by viewing the user profile here.

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Brain Res. 1992 Aug 14;588(1):173-6.
Differential effects of ibogaine pretreatment on brain levels of morphine and (+)-amphetamine.
Glick SD, Gallagher CA, Hough LB, Rossman KL, Maisonneuve IM.

Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology, Albany Medical College, NY 122208.
Abstract
Previous studies in rats have shown that ibogaine inhibits neurochemical and behavioral effects of morphine yet potentiates similar effects of (+)-amphetamine. To assess whether these different functional interactions have a metabolic basis, brain levels of morphine and (+)-amphetamine were measured by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry after ibogaine pretreatment (19 h before injection of morphine or (+)-amphetamine). Ibogaine pretreatment had no effect on brain morphine levels, either at 30 min or 2 h after morphine injection; however, ibogaine significantly increased brain amphetamine levels at 30 min and, to a greater extent, at 2 h after (+)-amphetamine injection. These and other data suggest that ibogaine irreversibly inhibits an amphetamine-metabolizing enzyme. The functional interactions between ibogaine and (+)-amphetamine, but not those between ibogaine and morphine, may result from a hepatic drug-drug interaction.
 
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