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MDPV Megathread 5: Waiting for Jesus to show up

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DS_ said:
The brown/tan resin it leaves behind is Pyrrolidine (apparently).
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Given how mild the smoke is, I find it really hard to believe there are any nasty/caustic burn products. If it were significant, you'd feel it. IMO it's easier on the lungs/throat than tobacco.

Then again, the vaped amounts are pretty small... could just be there aren't significant enough amounts per vape to cause problems. Kinda surprising how much smoke you get from a tiny amount of peevee... more than it seems there should be.
 
Dedbeet said:
Kinda surprising how much smoke you get from a tiny amount of peevee... more than it seems there should be.
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It doesn't seem to me that it puts off any more/thicker smoke per weight than good crystal. Then again I never use foil for either, maybe that has some sort of effect.
 
Shambles said:
Some things just give off lotsa smoke and peevee is one of those things. It always felt very easy on the lungs to me too.
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Fwiw I tend to get hits of varying size when foil vaping, depending on how "fresh" the hit is. Stuff seems to melt at first (and is harsh), and mellows as it goes on.

Having been up since last Thursday 2pm pacific, I'm taking it easy on the vaping. IME when a party gets this extended, a misplaced vape can have you hallucinating and losing touch with reality.

The interesting thing about parties that go on this long (not the first time here) is that it settles out into a state of empty, placid, timeless nothingness free of memory and care. Almost could be termed a different dimension (rather than altered state of consciousness) as it's truly free of time/space referent (i.e. located nowhere, at no particular time, and time does not pass). I'm not sure if it's due to sleep dep. or dopamine -- I suspect the latter. I think Ektamine mentioned this state to me once. I also get a vague memory of this being one of the last stops on the road to dopamine psychosis, but I could be mistaken.
 
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Ya. Tis my favourite stage of a binge. I almost want to get the first day or two outta the way to get into the later stages ASAP. Think you said something about it becoming almost like some kind of sedated psychedelia after a while. I agree. Powdered Zen.

Incidentally, I find smoking it in a bong or crack pipe (not the glass kind) is best for reaching that state once tolerance from chasing has gotten too high. I know what you mean about concerns of spinning out but I've always found higher doses produce a much less skittish state once you're a few days into a run. It's a bit intense on day one though to say the least... And I'm certainly not recommending the "more is less" approach is suited to all, but it seems to work for me.
 
I think it's dopamine - you've been going about 6 days - I'd have forced myself to have slept for a few hours on a couple of occasions over six days. Provided you do sleep regularly, a few hours in every 48 hours, then you can keep the party going a while. Once you stop I find there's a significant crash a few days later.
Happy landings.


Furthermore in relation to shambles point about day one ~ the best way ( tho it was purely by chance) I found to get into the "zone" was to only smoke very small amounts and leave it longer between visiits to the foil ~ I found this out because I only had a minimal mount of pv available to me at the outset but early on day 3 the the main force arrived & I went at it hell for leather, twas great.
Unfortunately when supplied with sufficient pv at the outset I have never managed to repeat the feat. :\
 
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I've only ever had one real debilitating comedown from a peev binge. It wasn't even an especially long or excessive binge so always suspected it was just a shoddy batch. Other than that one time I've never even come close to any real comedown no matter how extended or excessive I got. I do force myself to get some nutrients and fluid in me as much as possible though (not an easy task on peev) and that seems to make a big difference.

There's also the matter of microsleeps which I find are unavoidable once you go past around 72 hours. In fact, taking a biggish hit a few days in will often set me nodding for 20-30 minutes. Always found that slightly odd as smaller doses make me jittery at that stage and keep me more alert. Always assumed it was summat to do with having so little dopamine left that it takes a shitload of peev to coax enough out to make your brain purr and feel normal for a while. But know nowt about neurochemistry so make of that what you will.

Would definitely recommend trying to get fruit juice or smoothies and maybe some soup or summat down you though, Dedbeet. A multivitamin probably wouldn't go amiss either. And sleep is always a boon if possible - even just a few minutes here and there can make all the difference :)
 
Shambles said:
Ya. Tis my favourite stage of a binge. I almost want to get the first day or two outta the way to get into the later stages ASAP. Think you said something about it becoming almost like some kind of sedated psychedelia after a while. I agree. Powdered Zen.
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I suspect it's entirely physical and brain-related (chemistry, circuitry or both), as it's wayyyyyy too different than the norm to involve anything else -- an utterly undisturbed realm, free of time, space, existence and nonexistence.

Zenlike indeed, although too otherworldly to be zen :p.

But it is certainly non-dual, and truly empty (including of emptiness).

And it takes WAY too long to type in a post there, altho they seem to come out looking OK in the end... 8).
Incidentally, I find smoking it in a bong or crack pipe (not the glass kind) is best for reaching that state once tolerance from chasing has gotten too high. I know what you mean about concerns of spinning out but I've always found higher doses produce a much less skittish state once you're a few days into a run. It's a bit intense on day one though to say the least... And I'm certainly not recommending the "more is less" approach is suited to all, but it seems to work for me.
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I suspect the realm we've been discussing is one of the (or the) last stop to beginnings of dopamine psychosis... but I could be mistaken.
 
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B9 said:
I think it's dopamine - you've been going about 6 days - I'd have forced myself to have slept for a few hours on a couple of occasions over six days.
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It's either dopamine, or changes in related neurotransmitters/circuitry -- definitely feels like a physically-altered state of consciousness, if that makes any sense. Like the "dopamine focus" becoming so one-pointed that it blips out of of existence into no-pointedness.

I did get a couple of short sleeps -- don't really know how long they were, tho. Couple hours apiece, at best.


Provided you do sleep regularly, a few hours in every 48 hours, then you can keep the party going a while. Once you stop I find there's a significant crash a few days later.
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Oh, there's gonna be a crash... no doubt about that here.

But I've done this before, fwiw... this is nowhere near record length.

Actually kinda surprised how "just fine" everything is, considering the length -- although things sometimes take sudden, drastic turns at this point. Sleep deprivation's the primary issue at this point, but it can combine very unpredictably with peevee/dopamine. Have had "sudden brain shutdowns" in the past, where everything goes south in a matter of minutes and it's lay down or fall down.

Do I kinda sound like a maniac to you, BTW? If so, I'd appreciate it if you'd tell my bag/vial, cuz they don't listen to me, they just tell me to sit down, shut up and they'll call if I'm required.

Then again, I bought them.

Let this be a lesson: Never buy a slave -- you're only buying yourself.

Peace...
 
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FlippingTop said:
just wondering what your doses have been, and the spaces apart?

What have you been up to?
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Can't keep track of dosing anymore, or much else for that matter... including what i've been up to :p. Sleep dep. is critical and this will have to stop. Making a cup of tea and will try just lying in bed, anyway, even if no sleep.
 
Dedbeet said:
Zenlike indeed
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I am familiar with this state & your explanation of "....the "dopamine focus" becoming so one-pointed that it blips out of of existence into no-pointedness." makes sense to me.

Altho, another theory is that it is highly sleep-dep related. Its almost like after so long without sleep in a constant 'fight or flight' state, your brain decides to adopt a coping mechanism which is so calm & thought-free that it resembles a zen-like state.
Some sort of instinctive/primal survival mode that minimalises brain input & thought processing to the extent that all emotional responses become inactive.

It would be interesting to find out if insomniacs ever experience this zen-like state or if it is definately influenced by dopamine/lack of dopamine. But then again insomniacs would not be in a 'fight or flight' state for the duration of their time awake so they would not be a good representation.
People who have have spent lengthy periods of time trying to survive in a jungle would probably be the best people to use to assess the occurance of this zen-like state.
 
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I would say it is definitely more than sleep-deprivation alone. I've had chronic insomnia most of my life (but not to the extent of staying up several days on the trot without the use of drugs - 2-3 days at most and usually more a case of just not getting much sleep) but have never experienced anything like the extended peevcalm state. There have been people who've stayed awake without using drugs even longer than the average peev binge but none report anything similar to the Zen thing. Confusion, hallucinations and paranoia - yup. Calm, timeless, singularity - nup. I'd say it was down to the peev and the peev alone. No other stims seem to replicate the effect no matter how many days you're up for. Desoxy would be about as close as they get and even that isn't all that similar just more similar than anything else I can think of.
 
L-tyrosine is a pretty regular thing for me now, I can't tell if it helps me recover faster or if thats just placebo.
 
Eh, common sense says it helps since thats the amino acid that the body uses to manufacture dopamine, and its been shown that eating foods high in l tyrosiene aid in increasing dopamine levels. I've actually known peeps who take 3000 mg daily tyrosine and tryptophan each cuz it gives em a lil speedy boost.
 
SmokeaJoint said:
Eh, common sense says it helps since thats the amino acid that the body uses to manufacture dopamine, and its been shown that eating foods high in l tyrosiene aid in increasing dopamine levels. I've actually known peeps who take 3000 mg daily tyrosine and tryptophan each cuz it gives em a lil speedy boost.
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Its the rate-limiting step of the dopamine production process. Meaning yes its involved in the production of dopamine, but that doesn't mean more L-tyrosine = more dopamine. If you were looking for that effect, you would skip the rate limiting step and use L-dopa. But as we all should know thats not something to mess around with unless you truly need it.
 
I suppose. :) Still after binging for days at a time on MDPV without eating or much sleep and I bet the body would appreciate a little supplementation.
 
Sham said:
No other stims seem to replicate the effect no matter how many days you're up for.
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True.
Never had a similar feeling from same-length binges of amp sulphate or methamp.
Part of me kinda misses that peevee induced stillness of mind. If only it could be reached without having to deal with all the shite that surrounds it (i.e. psychotic symptoms)

Peevee really gets you by the balls. It's like an ex-girlfriend that wrecked your head but fucked like a pornstar. She still has a thing for you & wants your dick inside her 'one last time' but you know if you do you'll just end up trapped in a relationship with her again & maaan does she wreck your head!
 
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