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Methylone-Are people just not dosing high enough?

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I'll try not to get too much into personal experience, but I've read on here that anywhere from 100-300 mg is a solid dose for Methylone.

I've noticed many people say that it's not quite the same magic as MDMA, but is it just that people aren't dosing high enough?

This isn't a d*** swinging contest so please don't take it that way, but after finally getting a testing kit and testing pills I thought were MDMA only to find out were 600mg of Methylone, I noticed almost no difference between bk-MDMA and actual MDMA when taking 600mg and 120mg respectively. Duration, mental and physical effects, as well as the comedown were all near identical.

Is the problem simply that there hasn't been enough research done or is it that there is just a much larger range of correct dosing with bk-MDMA from person to person? I would never dream of taking that much MDMA (in fact my personal tolerance is less than 150mg) in comparison.

Also, I will note that at dosages that high, I've had very very smooth comedowns oddly enough. My cognitive thinking is only minorly impaired for a few hours although I would attribute much of that to lack of sleep.

Forgive my ignorance if I said something that doesn't comply with the site rules. I'm still learning things here. Just trying to be as educated as possible with harm reduction and being safe about usage.
 
uhh 600mg of methylone is a fuckton, and i guarantee no pills have 600mg of methylone in em
kthnxbai
 
LSDMDMA&9367415 said:
uhh 600mg of methylone is a fuckton, and i guarantee no pills have 600mg of methylone in em
kthnxbai
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I'm still waiting on bluelight status, so I can't send you a PM yet.

I realize how outlandish my claim sounds, but there's a reason for my questions. I'm not here to troll, and I realize that that's double the "extreme" dosage.
 
dude most rolls arent even 600mg with binders+fillers
a .6 pill would be massive..........
 
LSDMDMA&9367448 said:
dude most rolls arent even 600mg with binders+fillers
a .6 pill would be massive..........
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I didn't mean to imply I was talking about pressed pill these are size 1 or 0 gel capsules.

That was part of the issue is that obviously with pressed pills you generally have the opportunity to identify the quality of a pill based what part of the country you're in and the symbol without the aid of a test kit.

EDIT-I'd prefer not to stray from the topic because I don't want this thread locked. I realize this isn't pillreports and I'd rather the questioning not be on what's in the pills, but rather if others have dosed this high and had similar effects.

EDIT2- I also realize that with 36 posts, it's generally hard to be taken seriously. I'm attempting to be as honest as possible and stay within the rules of the site, so hopefully a few will take me seriously.
 
idk, I've taken a decent amount at one time. It felt a lottt like mdma. But it felt like I was coming up on mdma but i wouldn't peak. I'd just start coming down. Seemed more mellow and more for at home intimacy/bonding or whatever. Comedown was very smooth.
 
BeenBeaningDFW said:
idk, I've taken a decent amount at one time. It felt a lottt like mdma. But it felt like I was coming up on mdma but i wouldn't peak. I'd just start coming down. Seemed more mellow and more for at home intimacy/bonding or whatever. Comedown was very smooth.
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Hey you're from the same area as me!

And that's generally been my experience at lower doses, and again that's my reasoning behind this thread: The most unusual issue with this topic for me is that this dose is obviously as much as 6x what some people would consider a "normal" dose, but I have yet to have a bad comedown
 
I've dosed 500 and 1000 mg of methylone before and still not felt the magic of MDMA. Kinda disappointed too, I was really looking forward to it.
 
I think dosing methylone to an extreme extent in order to achieve MDMA euphoria is kind of like trying to drink coffee until it feels like speed- its just not that intense of a drug (compared to MDMA), and its not meant to be. I think its best to accept methylone for the mellow, stable rolling feeling it gives you rather than take it to extremes. If you want MDMA, you might be best just going for MDMA.
 
Bsiren said:
I think dosing methylone to an extreme extent in order to achieve MDMA euphoria is kind of like trying to drink coffee until it feels like speed- its just not that intense of a drug (compared to MDMA), and its not meant to be. I think its best to accept methylone for the mellow, stable rolling feeling it gives you rather than take it to extremes. If you want MDMA, you might be best just going for MDMA.
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Don't take this the wrong way, because I respect what you have to say, but is that opinion or fact? I realize that it's obviously a completely different compound and that it is metabolized differently by the body, but I haven't found any hard evidence to support your claim(if you have any I would love to read up on it :)

Even with MDMA there is so much research that still needs to be done. One week we'll have a study that says it puts holes in your brain(think the brain scan from Oprah and MTV), then the next weekend it's the miracle drug for PTSD.

I have also heard that a safe time between MDMA abuse is anywhere between 1-3 months as serotonin takes between 2 weeks-2 months to replenish itself. If people were going by that theory, wouldn't a safe time period between rolls technically be 2weeks-longer?

Hopefully, you guys see my point. This website has tons of fantastic information but like with any drug there are so many "theories" and "myths" it's very hard to pick out information that is fact or fiction. Aside from myself and maybe a couple others in this thread, has anyone ever dosed this high with Methylone or have they just assumed it would be extremely neurotoxic at that high of a dose?

In my experience, both MDMA and bk-MDMA are fantastic drugs. I would like to use them as long and as frequently as possible so I'm trying to take in as much information as I can.

For me lately, my rolls have been spaced out around 3-5 weeks. It's certainly not optimal and it may catch up with me, but in my experience I have noticed almost no side-effects. Aside from the time frame between rolls, I'd like to think I'm pretty smart about my rolls:

-Work out ~20-30 hours a week
-Eat very healthy
-Take vitamins: 5-htp, piracetam, Vitamin C, Fish Oil, Multi Vitamin, Creatine
-Avoid all other drugs including smoking, and drink as little as possible
-Never redose after 1 hour
-Never attempt to binge and roll longer than 4-5 hours
 
There are reported negative effects users do report from bkMDMA use (see erowid). I don't mean to suggest that there's any data behind my "drink tons of coffee in hopes it will feel like speed" comment, I'm merely using it as an example to demonstrate my point that taking a very large amount of a drug in order to get effects similar to its more intense "cousin" drug may be riskier than doing small to moderate amounts of MDMA. If you are feeling fine after, maybe that's assurance enough for yourself that you're willing to consume heavy doses of it. I have witnessed many friends have massive come downs from methylone, and I wouldn't suggest anyone take large quantities of it in order to achieve MDMA euphoria.
 
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Bsiren said:
There are reported negative effects users do report from bkMDMA use (see erowid). I don't mean to suggest that there's any data behind my "drink tons of coffee in hopes it will feel like speed" comment, I'm merely using it as an example to demonstrate my point that taking a very large amount of a drug in order to get effects similar to its more intense "cousin" drug may be riskier than doing small to moderate amounts of MDMA. If you are feeling fine after, maybe that's assurance enough for yourself that you're willing to consume heavy doses of it. I have witnessed many friends have massive come downs from methylone, and I wouldn't suggest anyone take large quantities of it in order to achieve MDMA euphoria.
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Interesting, and I do read quite a bit on Erowid. That's where I got my dosing information from.

As far as the risk factor, I couldn't agree more. The steroid world is very similar in that people are taking large amounts of legal oral steroids in the hope that they'll see the same effects as D-Bol or Winstrol. Some people are damaging the hell out of their livers all because they're avoiding the real thing.

I guess my point is that if everyone on this site told you that 100mg of MDMA is a ridiculous dose and 50mg is the maximum that should be consumed, would you follow that? Or would you be curious to test that opinion?

There are theories and there are myths. I'd just like to find out which ones are which.

I can safely say I know how much is too much MDMA for me:200mg or more and I am laying on the floor playing with the carpet the whole night with a pretty harsh comedown the next day. I have yet to find that point with Methylone.
 
I am also a 'heavy' methylone doser. Typically I'll swallow 300 mg wait about 15 minutes and snort 200mg. I experience no problems with the comedown. I'll usually bump 100-200mg another 30 minutes in.

That being said, I've definitely worked my way up from 50mg dosages, making sure I don't feel any negative effects.
 
adrenalive said:
I am also a 'heavy' methylone doser. Typically I'll swallow 300 mg wait about 15 minutes and snort 200mg. I experience no problems with the comedown. I'll usually bump 100-200mg another 30 minutes in.

That being said, I've definitely worked my way up from 50mg dosages, making sure I don't feel any negative effects.
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I haven't done it enough to experience a bad comedown yet, but I took a mdma/mcmc gel capsule (unknown dosage) and another 150mg redose 2 hours later after having rolled last weekend.

This was my first time rolling back to back weekends, and please save the "that's bad for you comments" as I've already planned for a solid break.

However with that said, this was the strongest roll I've had yet (I've rolled about 8-10 times). I was chewing the hell out of a pacifier, I would randomly have to sit down on the ground and my eyes would go cross-eyed and fall back in my head and anytime someone touched me I would freak out in the best kind of way possible. That lasted about 30 minutes. My roll lasted a solid 5 hours and I could feel it for a good 7 hours.

I'm sitting here typing after having first dropped 24 hours ago with no hangover at all. In regards to the hangover, I would have rather felt this than the hangover from drinking 6 beers.
 
IIRandomHeroII said:
Don't take this the wrong way, because I respect what you have to say, but is that opinion or fact? I realize that it's obviously a completely different compound and that it is metabolized differently by the body, but I haven't found any hard evidence to support your claim(if you have any I would love to read up on it :)

Even with MDMA there is so much research that still needs to be done. One week we'll have a study that says it puts holes in your brain(think the brain scan from Oprah and MTV), then the next weekend it's the miracle drug for PTSD.

I have also heard that a safe time between MDMA abuse is anywhere between 1-3 months as serotonin takes between 2 weeks-2 months to replenish itself. If people were going by that theory, wouldn't a safe time period between rolls technically be 2weeks-longer?

Hopefully, you guys see my point. This website has tons of fantastic information but like with any drug there are so many "theories" and "myths" it's very hard to pick out information that is fact or fiction. Aside from myself and maybe a couple others in this thread, has anyone ever dosed this high with Methylone or have they just assumed it would be extremely neurotoxic at that high of a dose?

In my experience, both MDMA and bk-MDMA are fantastic drugs. I would like to use them as long and as frequently as possible so I'm trying to take in as much information as I can.

For me lately, my rolls have been spaced out around 3-5 weeks. It's certainly not optimal and it may catch up with me, but in my experience I have noticed almost no side-effects. Aside from the time frame between rolls, I'd like to think I'm pretty smart about my rolls:

-Work out ~20-30 hours a week
-Eat very healthy
-Take vitamins: 5-htp, piracetam, Vitamin C, Fish Oil, Multi Vitamin, Creatine
-Avoid all other drugs including smoking, and drink as little as possible
-Never redose after 1 hour
-Never attempt to binge and roll longer than 4-5 hours
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Did this guy dose high enough for ya?
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=558241
 
socalthizzn said:
Did this guy dose high enough for ya?
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=558241
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At the risk of sounding rude, I'm not really sure how that's relevant to this thread. He was sticking needles in his arm and ultimately caused harm to himself after losing touch with his surroundings. That is quite sad to see/read though.

I was collecting opinions from people who have tried bk-mdma in higher doses and seeing what their experiences were like. It seems that many of the people preaching how bad a 600 mg dose is, haven't actually tried it before. It also seems that there are quite a few people that have tried that high of a dose and enjoyed it with little negative after effects.

I came to this site with the idea of harm reduction in my mind. Obviously, the best harm reduction practice is abstinence from the drug entirely, but we're all here because we experiment with our respected drugs and most want to enjoy them as much as possible with as little negative effects as possible.

I feel that while mdma and bk-mdma have very similar effects, you can't assume their dosages should also be similar. Again, this is just a hypothesis with no research to back it. The 2c-x's have somewhat similar effects to LSD and would you take the same dosages of each of those?

There is no official research(to my knowledge) worth noting about Methylone so the next best thing is to gather opinions from users, and that's simply what this thread was created for.
 
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