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Why insufflate it?

Why take it at all? Cannabis increases natural melatonin secretion by an extremely significant amount. I really hope his nasal tissues give out as soon as possible. As if taking it at all wasn't dumb enough, he needs to snort the shit. As if that wasn't enough, he takes a massive dose. Melatonin pretty much fails in increasing effects past 2mg. Stupidity needs to fucking illegal. Seriously.
 
Why take it at all? Cannabis increases natural melatonin secretion by an extremely significant amount. I really hope his nasal tissues give out as soon as possible. As if taking it at all wasn't dumb enough, he needs to snort the shit. As if that wasn't enough, he takes a massive dose. Melatonin pretty much fails in increasing effects past 2mg. Stupidity needs to fucking illegal. Seriously.

<10mg of the extract probably works out to < 3-5mg melatonin. I haven't been able to find a source for USP melatonin powder, so this is what I've got to work with. And I doubt I'm doing that much damage to my nasal tissues at these doses. Typical lines of cocaine are at least 10 times bigger, and I use a Neti-pot-like saline nasal irrigator daily. Any harm-reduction information you have beyond that would be appreciated.

The reason I use it is because it works at eliminating the unpleasant physical symptoms of cannabis use, which is an important medicine to me. Those symptoms can best be described as high anxiety with breakthrough panic attacks. Perhaps I'll try with sublingual melatonin use, but I don't see much benefit.

Edit: nice avatar, btw.
 
<10mg of the extract probably works out to < 3-5mg melatonin. I haven't been able to find a source for USP melatonin powder, so this is what I've got to work with. And I doubt I'm doing that much damage to my nasal tissues at these doses. Typical lines of cocaine are at least 10 times bigger, and I use a Neti-pot-like saline nasal irrigator daily. Any harm-reduction information you have beyond that would be appreciated.

The reason I use it is because it works at eliminating the unpleasant physical symptoms of cannabis use, which is an important medicine to me. Those symptoms can best be described as high anxiety with breakthrough panic attacks. Perhaps I'll try with sublingual melatonin use, but I don't see much benefit.

Edit: nice avatar, btw.

Thanks for the compliment. I would mostly like to hear how you think snorting is a better option over simply popping the pill as if it was intended. I don't see much of a point in trying to fix your symptoms. It's obvious your brain doesn't want to be under the influence of THC, so why bother? Weed isn't for you, but I don't say this as if it's something to be ashamed of. Anxiety while high and as a result of long-term smoking are very common. It seems to me like you're just trying too hard. Leave it alone if it isn't suiting you. If "medicine" means anything other than doctor prescribed, then you can shove it. "Self-medicating" doesn't count. Unless you actually have a card for a legitimate purpose, in that case you can disregard that previous sentence. As far as the effects of the melatonin, I STRONGLY, (and I really mean that with the most emphasis as possible) doubt that you are feeling any effect beyond placebo. The body creates its own melatonin. These rates of synthesis are actually INCREASED from weed. It's this natural synthesis that really doesn't make your theory credible to me, that's all. You're basically trying to say real melatonin doesn't work on you, while the synthetic form actually has an effect. I don't mean to be inflammatory towards you personally, but this "cure" that you have discovered is laughable to me. No offense. If you insist on smoking despite your negative reactions, keep using the melatonin if you truly believe it's working, but don't suggest that anybody else do the same. Snorting something from a bottle bought at Rite Aid is totally against harm reduction.
 
voxide is right, dont use pills to get over something. you need to go to the root of why your having panic attacks. what is scaring you? but it doesnt mean pot isnt for you, pot is for anyone and i agree you should try to get past your panic attacks, its very enjoyable when you do. practicing deep breathing/meditating helped me to not have panick attacks while tripping. never had that problem with pot very often, but when i did deep breathing and positive energy helped a lot, not trying to sound like to big of a hippe
 
Thanks for the compliment. I would mostly like to hear how you think snorting is a better option over simply popping the pill as if it was intended. I don't see much of a point in trying to fix your symptoms. It's obvious your brain doesn't want to be under the influence of THC, so why bother? Weed isn't for you, but I don't say this as if it's something to be ashamed of. Anxiety while high and as a result of long-term smoking are very common. It seems to me like you're just trying too hard. Leave it alone if it isn't suiting you. If "medicine" means anything other than doctor prescribed, then you can shove it. "Self-medicating" doesn't count. Unless you actually have a card for a legitimate purpose, in that case you can disregard that previous sentence. As far as the effects of the melatonin, I STRONGLY, (and I really mean that with the most emphasis as possible) doubt that you are feeling any effect beyond placebo. The body creates its own melatonin. These rates of synthesis are actually INCREASED from weed. It's this natural synthesis that really doesn't make your theory credible to me, that's all. You're basically trying to say real melatonin doesn't work on you, while the synthetic form actually has an effect. I don't mean to be inflammatory towards you personally, but this "cure" that you have discovered is laughable to me. No offense. If you insist on smoking despite your negative reactions, keep using the melatonin if you truly believe it's working, but don't suggest that anybody else do the same. Snorting something from a bottle bought at Rite Aid is totally against harm reduction.


I have severe, crippling, AHDH which pretty much keeps me from leaving the house many days, and while I don't yet live in a state with MMJ, I've had open-minded doctors give me the go-ahead to use cannabis for a decade. After it started producing the negative effects, my psych switched me to amphetamine, which worked, but the way speed made my body feel --- fuck that shit. Probably long term neurotoxic effects too. So I went back to cannabis, and dealt with those side effects.

As for snorting the melatonin, which is chemically identical to endogenous melatonin mind you, rapid onset and high bioavailability:
"The absorption rate was rapid (Tmax=7.8 min), and the absolute bioavailability was high, 84.07%. A good correlation was found between in vitro release and in vivo absorption data," from 'Intranasal administration of melatonin starch microspheres.' If the consensus is that my method of intranasal administration of melatonin is so harmful, then I'll try sublingual, but I doubt it will have as rapid onset or high bioavailability.

As for placebo, check out this article, "Premedication with melatonin: a double-blind, placebo-controlled comparison with midazolam," where the researches conclude that melatonin is a suitable replacement for a benzodiazepine in the reduction of anxiety and increase in general sedation if given before a standard anesthetic. And you know what, benzos worked for me too, if I don't mind being fucked up and physically dependent, which I do.


As for THC's melatonin releasing qualities, um what use is that to me? I get nasty side effects if I don't predose, and I get none if I do. It's not relavent to me.

Maybe I should take this to ADD.

Also, I just busted out my mg scale, and I was greatly over-exaggerating the doses of the extract I was taking, I said <10mg, but it's actually to 1-3 mg. (Which for forest I did by 30 minutes of soaking and stirring the finely crushed pills in 95% ethanol solution and filtering through a 400 mesh screen then two coffee filters. The solution should be absolutely clear before evaporating and scraping up in a pyrex dish.
 
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OP i was gonna say man, its most likely placebo. when i was strung out as fuck after 3 days solid raving on acid and
fuck knows what else, i was reeeeeally in need of a valium. as soon as i swallowed it i felt FINE.
there is no way that the pill was even doing anything at that time. literally 3 seconds after it went down my throat.

THE POWER OF THE MIND, YO.
 
anxiety is from reacting to your thoughts, becoming caught up in them.

observe them

relax

after a few bad acid trips i could not smoke without being paranoid and freaking out, i was devvod...

but then mum got me onto spirituality.

once you dis-idendify from your mind, just observe. you will find peace.


google eckheart tolle

or OSHO


now i hit my vapouriser harder than ever and walk around in public just being present having a mad ol time! :D
 
anxiety is from reacting to your thoughts, becoming caught up in them.

observe them

relax

after a few bad acid trips i could not smoke without being paranoid and freaking out, i was devvod...
:D

I get occasional anxiety during trips, but it fades as I meditate or just relax and go with it. This doesn't work at all with cannabis. Melatonin does.
 
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