Regional Heroin Availability: v8

[father ted]

Dublin w/side update

Charlie says:

""Just think what would happen if all of you walked into your 'drug service provider' one day and demanded what you want - a legal heroin script. How many lives in your town would be vastly improved by one- 10, 100, 1000 more? Get on down there, en masse. Do it today. They've got you where they want you. Shivering on the corner. Stop their reporting to government how happy you are with present arrangements. Fight the Big Lie now! Before you're bled dry.""


Whatever floats you boat charles!-i personally dont want legal heroin script-ive never stuck a pin in myself to administer drugs,and i dont ever want to!
I entered methadone treatment just over a year ago-like everyone i started on a low dose,unlike everyone i put in some hard work,took a bit of pain and stayed on the low dose...if your on meth treatment and reading this thread-start low,stay low and get out as quick as you can-i see too many meth zombies on huge doses(just like charlie described)...if they put in some hard work-took a bit of pain for a while they could lower their dose,snap back to reality and use methadone instead of methadone using them.
Methadone is a useful drug,but people seem to have no respect for it,i dont think ive read one post throughout this thread(iv followed it from the start)thats points out anything good about it.This is my opinion,it might strike a chord with someone,but i anticipate the majority will disagree...

Westside dublin update-Collected .4gr a half hour ago(50e).
Its looks,tastes and smells alright-Doesnt run too far on the jimmy,but it creeps up slowly and seems decent enough.

Happy hunting from Ted,Dougal,jack and mrs doyle.

 

[kkattastic]

The old liquid cosh had that in barrow police station when all the jails were full smashed up coz no treatment for my 15 a day peach palph habbit the worst rattle ever you could kill for it the only good thing its a short but very intence I came round about 2 days later after my cosh feeling grogey as fuck but rattle subsided I thought thank god till they fucked me off to preston jail 1 more shit hole in the prison system

The old chemical kosh is something i know well
i never been in nick but been in psych plenty
i was actually prescribed this stuff (thorazine),daily for about 4-5yrs
and tbh,without gear,i need that stuff
i see it has been used in trials to help with detox but they won't commit to it cos it's a lotta work for them-you are out cold for most of the time so inevitably you puke and shit whilst unconscious and need cleaning up and monitoring so you don't choke on your puke

 

[jspun]

of course i agree with you
but us junkies are still the minority and any change that would have to be backed by the gov would fail cos the gov is scared of joe public not voting for them cos they wanted to treat junkies like human beings.
you only gotta look at any tabloid newspaper to see that junkies are perceived as no better than paedos or rapists and should be strung up or buried alive.
there is loadsa evidence to support the changes and to prove that they would benefit the public in terms of less crime and more people working and being productive in society.But they are still too scared to be seen helping dirty druggies in any way.it's all about politics and nothing about humanity

you've hit the nail right on the head KKat

 

[bonebeater]

Nice to see some one else who knows the score with meth. It is not as hard as people think cutting down quick from a high dose over a short time until they reach a stable dose of as you say 60 mils. No one needs more than 60 mil a day in my eyes if their habit is just brown, or they have a 3 gramm habit a day before hand. But then 60 mil is a dose that can and should do most people.
I know i will be shot down, but i have been a meth user 20 years or more and my experiance makes me believe i am right more or less.

I'd have to disagree with you on this one bud. As far as I am concerned the
dsp's and docs are all forgetting or choosing to ignore a key fact of meth - thats when you get the user on a high enough dose it pretty much acts as a total blocker so that if the user uses heroin or other opiates they get pretty much sod all affect. Now the meth dose is the key - i'm on 250mg IV meth a day which I know is a V high dose and I don't suggest this high a dose is needed for 99% of people - but at that dose I can do loads of good quality H and feel pretty much nothing from it. fact. Its great or a bloody nightmare depending upon how you look at it as every-time I think I want a bit of brown I know its gonna do me fuck all given my meth dose (even 50hours after my last meth dose I get very little affect from H). This is great in that is has pretty much kept me away from H from the longest period in my life and I would love a good bit of brown most days but I know it wont do any good. Now if dsps' etc started putting people of higher doses that had a blocking affect they might suddenly find that alot of addicts keep clear of the H which they never will do on low does of meth.

 

[trip2themoon]

These days the jail are a wee bit more generous with you if you go in with a habit and no meth script. My mate done 2 weeks for non-payment of fines at Greenock jail and was given a double DF in the morning with 2 yellow vallium and the the same again in the evening. Not ideal but way way better than 1 poxy 5mg yellow scoob to hold you for a day. He said you don't have to work either because the medication can make you drowsy. This was around 2003.

 

[PapaverSom]

Charlie Clean: Have u looked on Gledwood's drought forum recently? Some people are trying to put something together. And after a month of the drought I suggested writing a template letter that people could download and edit by filling in blank spaces etc, to forward to their local MP, to ask for the prescription of diacetylmorpine. Eventually it was refined to an online petition, where anyone could sign by giving a name, and could even sign anonymously. It was linked thru gledwoods site, I signed it and left comments...it took about 3 minutes and a few clicks of the mouse. How many people signed it? Well last time I checked, about a month ago, a whopping fucking 77 people! Thats how much people are in control of their own destinys. And I aint no better dont get me wrong. Fuck me in France if they put the price of croissants up 2p people fuckin riot. Us Brits just take it up the fuckin ass and thank 'em for it. Sorry to be a pessimistic cunt, but Im englis ffs!!

Bristol drought; posted a few days ago, no change for me; still bash about, stuff I been getting is a cut above, but not great. its lumpy, pretty hard, light tan, runs well on the foil (I dont pin), dont taste of much, doesnt produce a lot of smoke, does smell of opium...to conclude, I reckon its week Afghan gear, not sure if its been re-cut. Pre drought 5-6/10, now compared to the bash, 8.5/10. Oh normal ish prices @£130 on the 8th, @£65 a t, £50 a g. Peace folks lovin all ur comments keep 'em coming
Pinkpapaver-u rule I love ur split personalities
Scouse66-I thanked u for ur reply to a comment of mine, u seem fuckin sound for someone locked up for what sounds like a lot of ur life, good on ya. Was it all H related crime, if ya dont mind me askin?
JSpun-U know I like readin ur posts a lot
KKat-sound as a pound girlie
Endlessnameless-glad ur gettin good, wish I was. Damn I need some FIRE!!
Brownie points-ur cool and made me chuckle couple times
Headcandy-I been readin ur posts for aaages, and have to agree that people dont know good gear if it jumped into a spike and dived into their vein! its weird innit, people who really should know aswell. Mind u wiv all this bash sometimes I wonder if what Im smokin is actually decent but the meths blockin it, cos its been so long since I had proper. But I also know thats bullshit, proper food makes me nod even on my 80ml
Anyone else I aint named, and there are many, many; I love ur comments too! This BL forum has really helped on those dark days dsuring this stinking drought. At the worst times Iw ould look forward to finishing work in the hope Id read someone someone had wicked gear, and also enjoyed bitching about all the CUNTS selling bash. Soz 4 long post/rant

 

[scouse66]

The old liquid cosh had that in barrow police station when all the jails were full smashed up coz no treatment for my 15 a day peach palph habbit the worst rattle ever you could kill for it the only good thing its a short but very intence I came round about 2 days later after my cosh feeling grogey as fuck but rattle subsided I thought thank god till they fucked me off to preston jail 1 more shit hole in the prison system

So you got the old largactil i see yep they used that a LOT back in the early 80s probably before and i think right upto 90s onwards (not sure)Oh the peach palph, damn man you are digging right deep into my old brain memories

I hated Preston nick did 2 stop evers there, but i can say the food was better than most in the 80s. Thats all i can say positive about that place though. 8)
I remember well when the prisons were not taking anyone in due to being full and the screws f/king stupid kick offs, when they decide to work to rule and f/k the system up running smoother.
Police cell detention over those periods were hell for many, thankfully i always seemed to have a cell in prisons for me I have not been to prison for over a decade now. I'm such a good lad i demand a gold star now

Take care bud and thanx for the memories.

 

[PapaverSom]

My dealers been using gear for 20 years, but he doesnt know shit aboit it. The stuff he says is good can be shit and vice versa. I dont get cos we are kinda mates, and he doesnt blag me. Hes even taken gear back after Ive bought it etc, but he really doesnt know the shiit from the good. Mind u he does drink about 150mls of green a day. What will really fuckin make u laugh-when I mentioned China White, he said "thats medical heroin they use in hospital. But it aint made from opium or poppies, its made from cabbages"!!! LOL. Also, when he had some shitty bash back in Nov, he said, fully believing it cos he'd been told by his dealer, that it was 'British gear, grown and manufactured in England'! Ah! No shit. Theres no point arguin wiv him tho. Fuckin good dealer tho, bang on the weight, good prices, never makes u wait, and the most imprssive thing he actually used to encourage me to stop and say I was doin well when not buying much, and has never in the 5 years I been scoring off him, phoned ME up, saying he has nice food or whatever, thats why I like him. An old school dealer I spose u could say. Sorry Im fuckin goin on a bit 2nite

 

[scouse66]

I'd have to disagree with you on this one bud. As far as I am concerned the
dsp's and docs are all forgetting or choosing to ignore a key fact of meth - thats when you get the user on a high enough dose it pretty much acts as a total blocker so that if the user uses heroin or other opiates they get pretty much sod all affect. Now the meth dose is the key - i'm on 250mg IV meth a day which I know is a V high dose and I don't suggest this high a dose is needed for 99% of people - but at that dose I can do loads of good quality H and feel pretty much nothing from it. fact. Its great or a bloody nightmare depending upon how you look at it as every-time I think I want a bit of brown I know its gonna do me fuck all given my meth dose (even 50hours after my last meth dose I get very little affect from H). This is great in that is has pretty much kept me away from H from the longest period in my life and I would love a good bit of brown most days but I know it wont do any good. Now if dsps' etc started putting people of higher doses that had a blocking affect they might suddenly find that alot of addicts keep clear of the H which they never will do on low does of meth.

I hear you mate, and 250mg iv sounds f/king terrible but if this is your need and body is telling you this then it must be so.
I agree taking H on a big meth dose is throwing good money away as you said you will not feel much if anything.
But what i was saying is 60 mil is enough for users who have stopped and are only taking meth, then it is not hard getting to 60 mil to cover them 24/7. Different if they are using gear on top of their meth then yes 60 mil will not do the job. I guess i never explained myself properly bud.

It must be shit for you knowing a good 9/10 score will be like taking an asprin.

 

[scouse66]

These days the jail are a wee bit more generous with you if you go in with a habit and no meth script. My mate done 2 weeks for non-payment of fines at Greenock jail and was given a double DF in the morning with 2 yellow vallium and the the same again in the evening. Not ideal but way way better than 1 poxy 5mg yellow scoob to hold you for a day. He said you don't have to work either because the medication can make you drowsy. This was around 2003.

Good for him. Not sure about the laws in Scotland and how the home office sees things up north. But atleast they took care of their own up there more than i can say here.
Your mate i am sure had no problem ever knowing he could be doing days for his fines in the future from then.

 

[HeroINpain]

Hello People long time no speak and all that! The situation is slightly better as in %5 b rather than %2/3. I havent been on here in a while as I was just constantly doing my head and bank balance in, travelling here there and everywere searching for the gold and all i ever got or keep getting is never more than %5 at a guess-just pure nothingness! So I decided to stop looking on the forum for a bit and try and occupy my mind in other ways, in the hope that when I came back here there would be crys of Eagles landing everywere-How long can this go on for!! FUCK SAKE!! Hope everyones as well as can be! Take care folks speak soon!!! x

 

[kkattastic]

So you got the old largactil i see yep they used that a LOT back in the early 80s probably before and i think right upto 90s onwards (not sure)Oh the peach palph, damn man you are digging right deep into my old brain memories

I hated Preston nick did 2 stop evers there, but i can say the food was better than most in the 80s. Thats all i can say positive about that place though. 8)
I remember well when the prisons were not taking anyone in due to being full and the screws f/king stupid kick offs, when they decide to work to rule and f/k the system up running smoother.
Police cell detention over those periods were hell for many, thankfully i always seemed to have a cell in prisons for me I have not been to prison for over a decade now. I'm such a good lad i demand a gold star now

Take care bud and thanx for the memories.

you'll have seen the 'largactyl shuffle' then

 

[scouse66]

Scouse66-I thanked u for ur reply to a comment of mine, u seem fuckin sound for someone locked up for what sounds like a lot of ur life, good on ya. Was it all H related crime, if ya dont mind me askin?

No worries mate always happy to reply to posts that catch my eye and make me want to post. As for my prison years. A quick run down. I was first getting locked up at the age of 9 visiting juvenile courts from 11 for robberies on shops (my life as a kid would have you in tears bud) Thrown i care from about 12, my first prison time i was 15 or 16 years old around 81/2 this was for breaking into warehouses. I went to Risley prison and believe me back then it was a shit hole of the worst kind. Brutal/voilent/tough. I was mixing with cons on B wing back then (cons as in 21 upwards) B wing for what ever reason (probably over crowding) was a cons wing not Yp wing but mixed both.

About age 17 was givin 2 years went to stoke heath yp prison. Age 20 was given 4 years for a £400,000 conspiracy (sounds a lot of money but believe me don;t read it as it sounds)
After that sentence did a 3 year stretch for robbery then after that one did another 3 years for possesion with intent (H). Also did a couple of remands for months each time but got not guiltys on them
Some of my crimes and jail were because of my drug habits but not all. My partner has stood by me for the last 25 years through a lot of that shit. Never failed to visit and always wrote like clock work.
I owe her the f/king world mate.

Sorry for going on, can't help it. 8)

 

[charlie clean]

of course i agree with you
but us junkies are still the minority and any change that would have to be backed by the gov would fail cos the gov is scared of joe public not voting for them cos they wanted to treat junkies like human beings.
you only gotta look at any tabloid newspaper to see that junkies are perceived as no better than paedos or rapists and should be strung up or buried alive.
there is loadsa evidence to support the changes and to prove that they would benefit the public in terms of less crime and more people working and being productive in society.But they are still too scared to be seen helping dirty druggies in any way.it's all about politics and nothing about humanity

Yes, but that's what I'm trying to say.

Are you junk? Or an otherwise decent chap who happens to be an addict?

'The public' are so badly informed by the media they think the two are synonymous. Addicts often confirm that opinion by slipping into 'role' when on public display in front of a critical or hostile audience.

Turn it around, and public opinion will turn around with you. It's this " fuck all i can do about it, hope I only get six months " attiude that condemns addicts to ever-shittier treatment, which maks them act even more shittily, which makes the public etc.

If enough addicts start to turn the illusion around now, smack scripts will be on the menu by Christmas, 2012. If you want it, express yourself clearly. S obvious, innit?

 

[scouse66]

you'll have seen the 'largactyl shuffle' then

Haha man what a night, i cannot believe i would be dragging up those days again, been so long. And the answer is YES

I've also witnessed a sound lad in Walton prison, he was from manchester tough f/ker, any way he broke a screws jaw, next time i saw him was in Lancaster Castle the poor man was a f.king zombie i used to read his letters to him from his wife and kids.
The story goes (cannot confirm this) that the screws were so terrified of him that he was spinaly injected i was told with largactil but not sure on the truth of it being hat drug (never heard of spinal injection and never have since) but it cabbaged him for good. And this lad 6 months earlier was running up and down the landings from the 5s to say the 2s no probs. To shuffling and sleeping every time he say down.

 

[PapaverSom]

@scouse66
dont apologise for going on, my friend, I asked! Sounds like a tough life you've had there me old mucker, hope u never have to go back. Sounds like ur mrs is a diamond mate. Mine is too, she only recently found out about me using (knew I am on meth) after being together 2 1/2 years, but she aint gone. Its fuckin shite the stuff we put 'em through. She wants me to stop, but I cant tell her I'll never use again, cos that would be a lie-FACT. For once Im being straight up about it. Shes the love of my life, and yet I cant choose between her or a brown powder. fuckin crazy

 

[charlie clean]

The jailbirds remind me of Monty Python's Yorkshiremen. I did a brief bit in 80. The old timer I was in with said we'd never had it so good, were lucky we weren't starved or facing the cat for having our tie crooked. Fucker regaled me with tales of Dartmoor hard men strapping each other back to back and holding of the screws for hours. Only guy I met who cheated at patience.

I don't like methadone, personally, but if you do, great. Where's the bitch? This potheads look down on dragonchasers who look down on meth gluggers who look down on fixers etc is one of those divide and fuck up tactics for which we're suckers.

77 in Gledwoods army, huh? Another 102 and he can take the Alamo. Hope y'all score good and pass the night easy.

 

[Opiaton]

What the hell is the cut in this H

Here in Central Scotland we are getting our food cut with the most goddamn annoying shit we have ever come across.
It cooks up to a normal colour and goes into the equipment OK but then the trouble starts.
After a few seconds (or minutes sometimes), as it cools, small crystals start to form and the liquid starts getting thicker. Eventually quite a layer of crystals form (they are heavier than the liquid and sink to the bottom). Then remove the liquid from the barrel leaving the crystals behind and continue as usual with the liquid.
Apart from the crappiness of the whole thing there are a couple of odd things going on.
1) The crystals seem to occur as a reaction with oxygen - they happen quicker if you introduce air into the barrel - and appear almost instantly when blood is drawn up (I am assuming it is the oxygen in the blood).
2) If you dry the crystals out and try heating them they run really, really well on a piece of jimmy giving off a bitter smoke.

Anyway, my questions are
1)What the hell is it?
2) How dangerous is it? A couple of my acquaintances are trying to get it into themselves before the crystals appear and complain of lumps appearing on their arms/legs.

If anyone has any answers we would love to hear them.
O.

 

[scouse66]

@scouse66
dont apologise for going on, my friend, I asked! Sounds like a tough life you've had there me old mucker, hope u never have to go back. Sounds like ur mrs is a diamond mate. Mine is too, she only recently found out about me using (knew I am on meth) after being together 2 1/2 years, but she aint gone. Its fuckin shite the stuff we put 'em through. She wants me to stop, but I cant tell her I'll never use again, cos that would be a lie-FACT. For once Im being straight up about it. Shes the love of my life, and yet I cant choose between her or a brown powder. fuckin crazy

Thanx for the kind words my friend.

Mate the fact your women is still next to you standing with you and by you speaks f/king volumes about her. You DO have an angel in your life. Always love her mate and i say this because if you look at your personal situation and look at hers yet she sees right past your problems and loves YOU.

F/king hell don't tell us we have now both come relationship Councillors.

Keep telling her the truth bud she will always respect you for that. Don't feel to hard on your self on the issue of how hard it is choosing brown over your relationship because truth is you are in 2 relationships, 1 is drugs the other is the real most important one your partner.
Square people in life could never understand us bud.

The biggest medcine for any relationship is honesty no matter how painful the subject is.
Take it easy mate and i wish you and your better half a bright future. As for the gear usage you WILL finally nail it in the head. I have not had a smoke since the end of december and if you knew me personally you would never of thought it possible i would be off gear. So keep going and the time WILL come when it clicks and you start the road to a drug free life and a life with a women who loves you and has always loved you.
And she will have the man in her life in a way she always had faith you would be one day from drugs.
But after all is said and done she is at your side now

Ok i need to stop or i will be seeking jobs in the probation/family services.

 

[Shambles]

This question has been asked a bazillion times... and will get a bazillion answers cos nobody can tell you what your gear is cut with. For old time's sake... sounds like what was always called "violin wax" in my gear days. I doubt it's good for you... but it's a very common cut and has done no obvious harm that I'm aware of. Smoke instead of injecting if you're that concerned. Easier said maybe...