specialspack
Bluelighter
Indeed, I don't think people realise this enough. Sleep deprivation can be a physical and mental bitch.
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MDPV - So how dangerous is it?
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Indeed, I don't think people realise this enough. Sleep deprivation can be a physical and mental bitch.
Combine that with little food and not enough fluid intake, and it can be an even worse bitch. The dopamine deprivation/comedown from MDPV is likely the icing on the cake that makes for a hellish situation.
ThizzXTC
Bluelighter
Seriously, this MDPV shit sounds a lot like Sudafed.
Umm, no, it isn't anything like sudafed.
Then again, it's not crystal meth either.
Definitely a "real" stim, just not in the category of the most powerful street stims. Which is probably a good thing. It's probably comparable to Ritalin but more potent.
Unless you smoke it, then it's like long-lasting crack, or bang it and it gives a rush comparable to meth. MDPV is a much crazier drug than Ritalin.
ThizzXTC
Bluelighter
I wasn't being literal. It just sounds like Sudafed in the fact that its not very euphoric (if at all) and makes your heart struggle for what, some energy with a possibility of some euphoria? A lot of people are talking about extreme paranoia too. I dont see any "benefit" to this drug unless you dont have access to a better stimulant which almost ALL of us do. I'd rather take my Adderall which seems to have better recreational value (according to reports on BL and many other sites). Just because its an MD doesn't make it a great drug (not quoting anybody).
It's cheap, legal and potent.
Some wouldn't see the benefit in that and would rather go for expensive, illegal and cut, if it has effects they prefer. And some do see benefit in that and take MDPV for what it is. I assume you haven't tried it and don't really know if you'd like it or not -- kind of a silly way to gain a perspective on a substance, through words of others.
ThizzXTC
Bluelighter
Isn't that called researching? We've covered physical and mental side effects and it was definitely insightful, in many ways.
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Nothing substitutes for personal experience tho. Fwiw, mine says it's just a stimulant that some will like and some won't... it's not radically different than Ritalin and cocaine structurally, and the effects are not that different. It is very different than sudafed, which doesn't affect the brain chemistry that has people enjoying a stimulant.
Ahaha, yeah, about as similar to pseudoephedrine as crack is.
vortex30
Bluelighter
Sure nothing substitutes for personal experience, but first you research, decide if it is your cup of tea or not, then research further if you decide you want to use it for ROA, dosage, safety tips, things to look out for, etc. It's actually very different than cocaine structurally, and it's similarity to methylphenidate and pseudoephedrine is comparable; comparably different. Structure really has nothing to do with this discussion anyways...
ebola?
Bluelight Crew
Since this topic is nebulous and we're on p. 13, I'll veer off topic too:
I hate mdpv, placing it as the worst stim that I've taken: it's even jitterier than ritalin, having no euphoric sweet spot for me, even briefly, yet engenders redose compulsion on par with euphoric stimulants. The comedown is not particularly rough or protracted, but rather on par with vastly more euphoric things. Oh, and it doesn't aid motivation or concentration for me.
blech...
I hate mdpv, placing it as the worst stim that I've taken: it's even jitterier than ritalin, having no euphoric sweet spot for me, even briefly, yet engenders redose compulsion on par with euphoric stimulants. The comedown is not particularly rough or protracted, but rather on par with vastly more euphoric things. Oh, and it doesn't aid motivation or concentration for me.
blech...
It's a like it or hate it stim, IMO.
Those with the patience to tolerate its weaknesses and discover/emphasize its strengths are likely to enjoy it, IME. For some, that involves letting the drug have things on its terms and fitting oneself to those terms.
ThizzXTC
Bluelighter
Thank you. Couldn't have said it better.
haha thanks for backing me up ebola. Thats pretty much was I was thinking. To some it's euphoric though so I'm not saying it isn't, but I'm just saying MDPV sounds like a Sudafed or Cocerta, nothing fun (to me). My perspective of the drug is based on all the posts here by doing good old fashioned research, but I'm not saying I wouldn't do it if it magically appeared in front of me...
Wait, I think ebola? is simply stating his opinion, which is very valid since he's actually tried MDPV, you know, that kind of gives him more credibility of the topic.
But when you come into a thread of largely MDPV users going on about how you are guessing from various reading across the internet that MDPV probably might maybe feels like Sudafed or Concerta (which feel nothing alike, btw), well, just don't be surprised if your opinions aren't received warmly.
Observations on PV's tweak/jitter factor
A high tolerance for "stimulant anxiety" (i.e. not letting tweakiness move into the psychological realm and keeping it purely in the physical) helps a hell of a lot with MDPV. Those prone to believing they're about to die when they feel anxious are unlikely to enjoy MDPV, IMO. Those basically blowing off "the tweaks" as insignificant/meaningless are much more likely to enjoy it.
There's no warm/serotonergic masking with PV at all, being almost purely focused on dopamine... it's not a "warm" substance, it's "cold, hard, basic dopamine reuptake inhibition". This puts it outside the preferences not only of "serotonergic MDMA types", but also "norepinephrine crystal meth types". It's a very focused, single-minded-obsessed substance with one "intention" only.
P.S. some might argue that PV's only "intention" is to get you to use more PV. Given it's strong focus on dopamine, I wouldn't argue with them. Why such a thing might be enjoyable, I leave to the reader of this message...
It seems to me that the "jitteryiness/tweakiness potential" of PV masks or overwhelms the euphoria/enjoyment for many.
A high tolerance for "stimulant anxiety" (i.e. not letting tweakiness move into the psychological realm and keeping it purely in the physical) helps a hell of a lot with MDPV. Those prone to believing they're about to die when they feel anxious are unlikely to enjoy MDPV, IMO. Those basically blowing off "the tweaks" as insignificant/meaningless are much more likely to enjoy it.
There's no warm/serotonergic masking with PV at all, being almost purely focused on dopamine... it's not a "warm" substance, it's "cold, hard, basic dopamine reuptake inhibition". This puts it outside the preferences not only of "serotonergic MDMA types", but also "norepinephrine crystal meth types". It's a very focused, single-minded-obsessed substance with one "intention" only
.P.S. some might argue that PV's only "intention" is to get you to use more PV. Given it's strong focus on dopamine, I wouldn't argue with them
. Why such a thing might be enjoyable, I leave to the reader of this message...
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ThizzXTC
Bluelighter
Wait, I think ebola? is simply stating his opinion, which is very valid since he's actually tried MDPV, you know, that kind of gives him more credibility of the topic.
But when you come into a thread of largely MDPV users going on about how you are guessing from various reading across the internet that MDPV probably might maybe feels like Sudafed or Concerta (which feel nothing alike, btw), well, just don't be surprised if your opinions aren't received warmly.
Really? Are you not reading my comments correctly?? I'M RESEARCHING and everything is written in opinions. Quit causing arguments. I said what I had to say about this drug and how I perceive it. I dont give a shit about who has more credibility or not. I'm stating opinions BASED on this thread. Now please, quit being a drama queen. And personally, I dont take your opinions warmly either so leave it at that.
Oh, and ebola pretty much described a fucking Sudafed or Concerta, so think again before talking shit. I have a good idea of what this shit is, BASED ON ALL THE GREAT INFORMATION ON THIS THREAD. ebola just threw some icing on the cake. Haha even the post above me provides a little more information on WHY its not euphoric (hence its similarity to a POINTLESS stimulant when you have access to others).
The dialogue between the two above is really none of my business, but it seems worth pointing out (as many seem to forget it) that aside from academic observations on the molecular-chemical structure of a textbook-pure substance, it's all 100% subjective, and purely a matter of opinion.
I always wonder if those taking opinions with anything more than a grain of salt really understand what an opinion is. But then, there's always the "other-ness factor" when it comes to someone else's, regardless of what it may be... eh?
Or not.
Peace...
Ever stopped to consider the possibility that there may actually be some who aren't looking for a "point" to a stimulant, and can actually appreciate a 'pointless' one on its own terms?
I'm entirely serious.
If you take into consideration peevee's dirt-cheapness, wide availability, high potency and very good safety factor/reputation (for a stimulant), I'm even more serious.
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ThizzXTC
Bluelighter
Well if that's a reference to me, then explain why my opinions with anything more than a grain of salt inst a good opinion(s). Whats wrong with knowing what to expect from a drug? Just like if I was handed Crack Cocaine, I would be entitled to have my opinions on what to expect based on research and opinions from REAL users. Many people here have tried MDPV (real users) and THOSE are the people I'm getting my info from. What wrong with opinions from a mass majority of REAL MDPV users? Shouldn't I trust them more than anyone else?
Its annoying when people take certain words literal that are NOT meant to be. I said it "sounds" like Sudafed. Big difference than "its the same."