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Heroin "blues?"

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cyrax99

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Hello, so I am wondering if this is normal? After 2-3 days of using a couple times a month, does anyone find the following day difficult? I have found excessive sleepiness a huge problem, I will sometimes sleep 12-16 hours the day after, I feel "hungover," so to speak. I drink plenty of fluids, but the day after I am excessively tired. After that for anywhere between 2 to 4 days I will feel a little under the weather, mild depression, low energy etc. but normalcy returns after a few days. Is this common? I am looking for input from people specifically who use Heroin in a somewhat disciplined manner, not daily. Do you find yourself with similar symptoms the following days? How about the excessive sleepiness the day after? Thank you!

Edit: No needles here if you're wondering, and I problem use 2 to 3 points a day max during those couple days.
 
well 2-3 days should be enough to induce withdrawls. maybe if youre constantly re-dosing it could happen. but anyway to the question. it sounds like you might be having very very very slight heroin withdrawls. when i use for 5days+ i always find myself feeling sick(the withdrawls) when i stop.
 
Ok, well to be forthright I was addicted to OC for 4 months and Heroin for 2. I have gone with withdrawls and I'd say these don't really compare. I went many months clean, and have been disciplined for four months now, I have never gone more than three days, I simply know it will only lead to disaster. I mean I am not discrediting you, but yeah even after ONE day of use the next day I am tired, I don't get it? It's always one day of sleeping a shit ton, and a couple of days of the symptoms I described. Also when I was withdrawling I didn't sleep more than 3 hours a night for over a month a half, so my withdrawl symptoms were exactly the opposite of sleepiness. The habiutal use is long since past, I just like to enjoy it here and there because I honestly don't enjoy any other drugs. I'm thinking maybe this is just part of the consequences of indulgence?
 
yes i experience the exact same symptoms from occasional heroin use. i use to be a daily user for years and now i find that even a couple days of use is enough to bring up minor physical withdrawal symptoms.. in other words, i get readdicted very easily having been addicted before. be really careful.
 
Thank you Lucid, and I appreciate that. Thing is I visit three hours away every two weeks and that is the only time I can do it, I have not sought it out up here, nor will I. I can assure you after battling addiction, it is a road I refuse to go down again. The desire to not become addicted far overrides the desire to use continually, and I find it much more fun using occasionally than habitually. It loses the fun and magic to it when you do it constantly,
 
simple, you are feeling the beginning of physical dependency. It comes on very quickly with heroin for most people. It has to do with your endorphin system.

Most people that have gotten addicted used in a very similar manner to how you use now, in a disciplined manner.

What worries me is you explaining yourself so much, when no one here is really expecting that of you. Why do you have the need to tell us that you will not get addicted and you are so responsible?
 
Z_Y_G_G_Y It's odd though, because when I was physically addicted, insomnia was the result when I got off. Also about explaining myself, you made a good point. I'd give two reasons for that, one I am very detail oriented and precise, I tend to give too many details with just about everything in life. I guess I have always figured better to give too many details and bore them, rather than give too little and be misunderstood. I guess I need a better balance. Second, after once being in the hole, I am quite conscious about not going back in. One might say why do it at all then? Well simple answer is I enjoy it, and do believe with the right discipline I can keep it under control, I have so far. I don't like drinking, smoking weed, tripping etc.
 
Be it heroin oxycodone or oxymorphone...any 2-4 day binge results in extreme fatigue the next day for myself. Push yourself to go for a run or lift some weights, once i start some physical activity it plows right through my fatigue and i find myself alert and ready to go.
 
I felt the exact same way back in the day when I first started using PST. I'd get reeealllyy high and almost completely sleep away the next day. When I got up I'd be groggy and irritable all day. Unless I used again... Dun dun duunnn.
 
Addiction is a lot more than the physical withdrawl.......That is only a small part of what makes you an addict.

You will never be able to control it all yourself. You are not the one guy who can handle it. Sooner you except that fact the better your life will be.

Good luck, hope things turn out well for you.
 
cyrax99 said:
Hello, so I am wondering if this is normal? After 2-3 days of using a couple times a month, does anyone find the following day difficult? I have found excessive sleepiness a huge problem, I will sometimes sleep 12-16 hours the day after, I feel "hungover," so to speak. I drink plenty of fluids, but the day after I am excessively tired. After that for anywhere between 2 to 4 days I will feel a little under the weather, mild depression, low energy etc. but normalcy returns after a few days. Is this common? I am looking for input from people specifically who use Heroin in a somewhat disciplined manner, not daily. Do you find yourself with similar symptoms the following days? How about the excessive sleepiness the day after? Thank you!

Edit: No needles here if you're wondering, and I problem use 2 to 3 points a day max during those couple days.
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It isn't necessarily withdrawals just the drug leaving your system so depression is normal because the receptors in your brain are no longer occupied by the opioid which numbs depression and all that. But withdrawal? No. You CAN'T sleep with withdrawal and it takes awhile for a true habit to form.
 
cyrax99 said:
Ok, well to be forthright I was addicted to OC for 4 months and Heroin for 2. I have gone with withdrawls and I'd say these don't really compare. I went many months clean, and have been disciplined for four months now, I have never gone more than three days, I simply know it will only lead to disaster. I mean I am not discrediting you, but yeah even after ONE day of use the next day I am tired, I don't get it? It's always one day of sleeping a shit ton, and a couple of days of the symptoms I described. Also when I was withdrawling I didn't sleep more than 3 hours a night for over a month a half, so my withdrawl symptoms were exactly the opposite of sleepiness. The habiutal use is long since past, I just like to enjoy it here and there because I honestly don't enjoy any other drugs. I'm thinking maybe this is just part of the consequences of indulgence?
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After you form a true habit, 3 days your body grabs on to that opiate for dear life. it is a total myth that you withdrawal after three days of use or form a true habit. It takes at least a month of daily use. I am right there with you. I was strung out for a long time and when I kicked I respected heroin and all opiates enough to NOT want it daily. Even if I have to do another drug to combat that. I refuse to do it more than 2 days straight. If people read Burroughs' "Junkie" they'd have all the opiate research right there.
 
.Lucid. said:
yes i experience the exact same symptoms from occasional heroin use. i use to be a daily user for years and now i find that even a couple days of use is enough to bring up minor physical withdrawal symptoms.. in other words, i get readdicted very easily having been addicted before. be really careful.
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Me too. But I think with someone that hasn't formed a real habit they don't have real withdrawal symptoms. I still occasionally use and if I do a lot for over two days, I can't sleep, my stomach is fucked up, I get chills when I am not supposed to be cold, I sneeze. But it only lasts a couple days and part of me realizes that a lot of the symptoms are amplified by my mind because I am so terrified of WDs that I start overthinking them and expecting them. Once you have formed a true habit, you create extra opioid receptors in your brain and when you do an opiate those extra receptors grab on to it immediately but those that don't have a real habit yet, they haven't built up extra receptors. This is what my subutex doctor explained to me.:\
 
if i force myself to eat well during getting high, eating just fruits, no junk and get a fair ammount of walking in and just before the gear wears off have a long swim i can tire myself out enough to sleep through minor WD

plus eating too much makes the constipation hell
 
cyrax99 said:
Z_Y_G_G_Y It's odd though, because when I was physically addicted, insomnia was the result when I got off. Also about explaining myself, you made a good point. I'd give two reasons for that, one I am very detail oriented and precise, I tend to give too many details with just about everything in life. I guess I have always figured better to give too many details and bore them, rather than give too little and be misunderstood. I guess I need a better balance. Second, after once being in the hole, I am quite conscious about not going back in. One might say why do it at all then? Well simple answer is I enjoy it, and do believe with the right discipline I can keep it under control, I have so far. I don't like drinking, smoking weed, tripping etc.
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So you did form a former habit? I think it might be the fact that you stay away from it for weeks at a time and your tolerance goes down faster than we think. I remember when I first started using I would have that heroin haze for a day after I used. Just excessive sleep. You have to respect opium and heroin. If you don't you get strung out but if you realize it can and WILL overtake you without you even realizing it, you get hyper aware of the WDs and physical dependency symptoms. At least I do. THAT is what keeps me not strung out; having cold turkeyed a two year habit that put me into kidney failure. I think you are like me - hyper aware of the symptoms so every thing after your binge or whatever is noticed.
 
I think that what you describe is normal, which is why I've always found Heroin to be an all or nothing kind of drug, just because the amount of discipline it takes to use occasionally isn't always worth the suffering you have to put up with.

of course it's better to chip if you can. Good Luck!
 
anjalimaya said:
So you did form a former habit? I think it might be the fact that you stay away from it for weeks at a time and your tolerance goes down faster than we think. I remember when I first started using I would have that heroin haze for a day after I used. Just excessive sleep. You have to respect opium and heroin. If you don't you get strung out but if you realize it can and WILL overtake you without you even realizing it, you get hyper aware of the WDs and physical dependency symptoms. At least I do. THAT is what keeps me not strung out; having cold turkeyed a two year habit that put me into kidney failure. I think you are like me - hyper aware of the symptoms so every thing after your binge or whatever is noticed.
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This is extremely true, and thanks for pointing that out. Although I am not using all that frequently, it could be that I am thinking "I don't feel as good as I did when I was high," etc. Also my tolerance is very low, 2 to 3 points has me going all weekend.
 
I get this exactly. I use heroin 2, 3 times max on any given week. Now, It doesn't always happen but some days i just sleep after. I'm not sure if this is from long term nodding WITHOUT sleep or what. I refer to it as the afterglow. Feels like you popped a Xanny, just lay around all day watching netflix and passing out when I normally sleep 8hrs a night. strictly
 
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