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You have absolutely no work history for 10 years? Thats a pretty big gap to fill. I dont know how old you are but yea, It would depend what kind of job it is if I would say I was an addict or not. Not sure if you can get around it if you have had say charges or something. I have personally got jobs without mentioning my 10 year habit and been fine. Its easy to get away with and between you and me more people will look down on someone if they know they are an addict than those that wont. Trust issue believe it or not. However other companies get tax breaks at least in the US for hiring say felons so yea...Id play those cards wisely though because theres a lot of people who are willing to offer second chances, I bet there are more that have criticism towards giving that second chance, and even greatly so if the knowledge is put in front of them exposing a terrible addiction for the better part of a decade. Cheers.

By the way, whats up, Im Poss. first post after registering last year hah.
 
catcalls said:
Thanks for the kind words to everyone, in 2011, Captain
Just like here, really. Where people do not judge others for their past addictions. I do not appreciate the people who are abusing Subutex, either by taking it to get high, or using heroin whilst on Subutex. Those people, I t
ry and help see sense.

Dear sweet catcalls, you cant get mad at drug addicts for abusing drugs. Its what we do! The market puts out something new to "help" and we find a way to use it for recreation. i don't abuse the sweet submarine but i want to get better. People will do what they do. And they do get high
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Sorry,chopped that one a bit... Thou shall not use ambien to fall asleep and then remain awake in order to torture others using a computer machine.
 
progress report (or note to self): do not put a glass candle on the stove on high heat in hope of melting all of the wax.. it blows the fuck up and makes a mess.. this has been a public service announcement. *the more you know*
 
HdoubleODeezy said:
progress report (or note to self): do not put a glass candle on the stove on high heat in hope of melting all of the wax.. it blows the fuck up and makes a mess.. this has been a public service announcement. *the more you know*
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Pictures Please!!!

but really, that's a bummer, man.

cycled through snow to get to my sub doc this morning. be
en back on subs for the last 2 weeks, almost starting to feel "good" instead of "not-bad"
Let him know about the fact that most people only need like 1-2mg, he seemed interested, made a note to do some research, we talked about a few medical articles about suboxone and depression that I shared with him, overall a good appointment, he's like the first truly good doctor I've had who is interested in my mind, body, spirit, etc...

That and the acupuncture is really helping my opiate issues. The pain is bad (I went snowboarding yesterday and shredded hard), and yeah I would like some Opana right now, but I think I can make it through (and yeah, the medical marijuana has been helping heaps)
 
HdoubleODeezy said:
progress report (or note to self): do not put a glass candle on the stove on high heat in hope of melting all of the wax.. it blows the fuck up and makes a mess.. this has been a public service announcement. *the more you know*
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That blows dude lol.


I'm still taking 6-8mgs of loperamide once a day in the evening. Almost been 4 weeks off of suboxone and i still don't even feel close to normal. Regardless of the dose of loperamide i take, i get skin crawling restlessness in my arms all night and been getting shitty sleep because of it. Maybe I'll wait till later tonight to take any lope and see if it's worse then normal. If not than I'm guessing it's buprenorphine specific paws so lope won't help, but maybe not. I'll find out soon enough i suppose. I just hope it goes away soon...
 
So HOOD is not getting any withdrawals, but case is getting them for four weeks... I guess this just goes to show how differently people can feel the withdrawals. I seem to be right in the middle between the two extremes, as I am with most things.
 
all i have for w/ds is a little leg pain.. nothing ibuprofen, clonidine, hydroxyzine, and zanaflex can't handle loloh yeah and of course klonopin helps heaps too but will be w/ding from that in a month or so also...never ends. :\
and the leg pain is off and on, not constant.. but when i get it i wanna bend my legs in directions they don't go to rid the pain lol.. sorry it's so bad for you case


EDIT: i also wanted to say that i got some kratom (some premium green vein indo, super red vein indo and have some superior white vein Indo on its way today or tomorrow. I find indo to be the best even though it is not the most expensive.) to see if it does anything since my bupe tolerance was around 2mg/day or lower and i took 8grams of the kratom today and got mild effects.. i imagine the effects will grow the longer ive been off bupe sine bupe is so potent and fucks your tolerance up.

BTW i consider myself pretty much through with w/d's becuase i have no symptoms other than what i stated so that is why i took kratom.. i wouldn't have done it if i thought i was still in w/d's and prolong them.
 
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It's really not overly terrible just extremely annoying at this point. Pretty much everything went away 2 weeks ago it's just the skin crawling restlessness in my arms when i lay down or try and sleep that hasn't improved much.
 
Is the skin crawling and restless just mental you think case? I have never came off Bupe so I dont know but how much worse is it than say H? How much longer too? Because if you are feeling 4 weeks later physical W/D symptons then I am really sketchy about getting on it for Maint. I dont want another problem and have to take a drug to get off a drug.

Secondly, I see you say you been taking Kratom and other stuff to help get over it? Did you ever just try to go completely sober and detoxify yourself from all the drugs and try to occupy your brain in another way so you dont think about it? (Trees helped me a lot when I went cold turkey, lol so I guess it wasnt really cold turkey then eh?) Just a thought. Also how is Kratom? Ive only heard about it very briefly and didnt read up on it yet.
 
kratom is great, I used it to get through the first 3 weeks of withdrawal. 6 grams twice a day made it pretty easy. If you're planning on getting on suboxone for maintenance it works but you still have to taper and withdraw eventually. Length of withdrawal depends on the person.
 
I guess Ill just look up the info about Kratom. Im just not huge on substitution. See Ive always just cold turkeyed dope. Just feel like I been through that hurt so many times (not that it gets easier, fact I think it gets worse the more often you go on and off dope) that its just expected to come and I try to make myself as comfortable as possible. I just think about the handful of times Ive detoxed in central booking. ughhhhh, makes it a tad easier for sure. Nonetheless, whats the basic feeling of Kratom? And yea im aware the eventual w/d's but id rather avoid if possible. Plus I have no wants or needs to plan to actually be on Bupe for long periods of time. To me (even though many people do it and swear by it) I am just in a paradox if you will that I would be required to ingest drugs everyday to feel normal. Lol even though we do it after the first 6 months of using lol, like just doing dope to get by. Even though sober we may never feel normal again, thats kind of the price we pay for all that great feeling that comes with opiates. Its kind of like punishment. Do the drugs, feel superhuman then get a huge reality check when youre not on it...*shrugs* /endrant
 
SO GLAD I switched from fucken subs to methadone! I never realised how much of a non-opiate bupe really is until I kicked it! *mmmmm*

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suessmayr said:
SO GLAD I switched from fucken subs to methadone! I never realised how much of a non-opiate bupe really is until I kicked it! *mmmmm*

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Methadone is fully synthetic; bupe is only partially synthetic. This makes methadone the non-opiate.
 
PossibleOne said:
You think coming off of Meth is going to be peachy keen?
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Yup, tread with caution. If you are trying to avoid w/d pain with done be prepared for a long slow road tapering. And do not let the clinic keep persuading you to up your dose, they did to me and I'm sure it was to secure me as a long-term client. Pretty sure it was for-profit, and even if it wasn't I got that feeling. And ended up getting fucked, withdrawing from a 75mg+ habit at a rehab in podunck Iowa for 6 weeks. Then I came home and stayed in bed for 3 months with crippling depression, maybe paws in hindsight. Just sayin, be careful. Definitely has it's place but stay low as you can, and begin the taper as soon as is feasible.
 
i was on 120mg methadone/day for 1 year before i switched over to suboxone for 4 years and now that i have w/d off both i can tell you the SMART decision is to be on subs.. but 'done does feel a lot more potent and opiate like, but that's not what your on it for.. you're on it to get away from that, so the *little* buzz subs give is great because you know 1) you're off full agonist opiates 2) your healthier than you were on your DOC.. AND 3) you know your w/d's will be an 8th of that of methadones =D
 
As for personal progress, ugh blah. It's valentines day and my bf is already swearing and yelling at me. I'm in bed in tears waiting for him to go. It sucks. But I have been keeping my doses low, switching between small doses of sub and whatever else. Thinking about ordering Kratom or seeing if the head shop has any for my go-to w/d easer because I only have a couple subs left and fucked up my dr/pt relationship. Any advice on strains or type of Kratom to buy? I have a lot of housework to do in the next few days, should keep me busy and feeling productive. Had a nightmare last night, and after experiencing sleep paralysis early morning yesterday, the sleep disturbances are getting old. Ahhhhhh, life. It's what you make of it, huh.
 
All the people talking about withdrawing, I'm not a hippy, but when you start your final fast taper( like you are going to be off within the week) have an acupuncture session before, and one after, like a week later.
I have withdrawn countless times like so many people, usually C/T, and for stopping subs, I did this and it was great. I had very few withdrawal symptoms except fever/ chills which stopped during my after-detox acupuncture session and never came back.

I was not able to stop subs before the one other time I tried.
 
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