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Methoxetamine - Tell Us More

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Expectations clearly missed the Godliness of this one. But if you were lookin' for opies where there are none....

The ket komparisonz are also doing this one a huge disservice... and the opioid ones are just plain taking the piss :|

Take it on its own terms or don't.

Up to you with all that YMMV stuff floating about the place....
 
Expectations clearly missed the Godliness of this one. But if you were lookin' for opies where there are none....

The ket komparisonz are also doing this one a huge disservice... and the opioid ones are just plain taking the piss :|

Take it on its own terms or don't.

Up to you with all that YMMV stuff floating about the place....

"ymmv"?eh??
 
Wow loving the sound of this, my only experience with RC's so far is Mephedrone but this is sounding much much more up my street, i do have a few issues though, why could i have not stumbled upon this a month ago or more when i was still living in my own place, i know some people can cover it up but im useless at hiding my state of mind and not sure about taking anything like this now i have had to move back in to my parents house.

Have there been any reports of bad scary trips with sensible <50mg doses? Although i have not had a panic attack for a few years now i wonder if something like this could trigger them again, i would have to start with a very small dose.

I remeber reading in this thread somewhere or maybe another it's makeup is somewhere between Ketamine and Tramadol i think, any signs this drug could trigger seizures at all?

Also in this thread i read that there are sites where people can review vendors, as it's not allowed to advise on vendors maybe somebody could PM me a link to one of these reveiw sites.

Looking forward to finding out more about this promising chemical and hopefully getting my hands on some myself in the near future :)
 
50mg is not a sensible starting dose for someone in your position. I would start at about 15-20mg. I have no tolerance and 60mg had me in a strange confused state, totally out of control, which you would NOT be able to hide from anyone.
 
Oh i have no intention of starting with 50mg im extremely cautious and after an allergy test would prolly start with 10mg as i have no experience of K what so ever, i have used Acid blotters and Microdots in the past with no trouble but not very often and know this is different. My experience with psychadelics is very limited.

Im just surprised that i have not heard yet of bad experiences with small quantitys, i would expect people with no tolerance jumping straight into to >50mg to have an "interesting" time so thats why i said less than 50mg.

Another thing i am prescribed 8mg Subutex daily and have read of one person taking this compound whilst on Subutex with no probs but would like to hear of more people taking this combo if possible.

Thnx

Edit - Oh and transform the panic atacks where from a long long time ago when i went through a phase where i battered way too many E's in my youth but after stopping them for a couple of years they became less and less, i have even took E's since then with no probs but im still wary of them coming back. Weed for one thing does not suit me anymore and can make me quite paranoid although i can smoke large amounts of stone or do othe stims with no paranoia what so ever, strange lol.
 
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I think your 10mg idea is a good one. I was in a similar boat to you the first time I tried it...no experience of K whatsoever and no real idea if I'd even like it. I don't get panic attacks but have had a few iffy acid and E experiences from way back and there's always a certain amount of anxiety attached to new substances for me these days.

Since trying it @ 10mg the first time orally I'm still a bit wary of higher dosages even though there were no real negatives after a redose of say 15mg. I think its still partly down to lack of experience of this 'type' of drug if I can put it that way...I'm still no really sure where I'm going to end up with it!

Having said all that I'm gonna throw you a curve ball here and suggest you might want to consider plugging this one.. Last night I decided to combine my first ever plugging experience with a slightly larger dose of Sexy Mexy and even though I think it might have turned me gay ;) I have to admit it was a much better experience than the oral route...YMMV of course as per BL terms and conditions!

As an inexperienced fool - taking mex orally left me a bit befuddled and kinda 'hnnnnng' in my head with an almost solely head based buzz. Up the chuff was a much more rounded experience with a much more fuzzy warm vibe. Like I say I was sceptical about this ROA but this has convinced me! When I do it again it's definitely going the bottom up route :D

Have fun!
 
I tried it at 25mg twice and 15mg SL before i went for to 60mg plugged. I would recommend the lower doses but the higher one I wasn't really able to enjoy and i wouldn't want to do it again.
Personally I prefer the experience after the confusion plateau. It has a gentle but pleasant disorientation and a considerable mood lift.
 
Hmm food for thought guys, never plugged anything in my life, in fact not even sure the correct way to go about it, im sure there must be instructions somewhere here on BL ill have a dig around me thinks :D
 
anyone read the interview with a ketamine chemist? supposedly the guy who created methoxetamine
 
Ok. I'm going to give sublingual a try when I get more methoxetamine. The last batch I got, I have only been dosing rectally, which has worked like a charme. I really like the "come-up" and "the plateau" when dosing rectally. In my opinion it superior to nasal and oral administration.

Also I really have problems with the taste from sublingual. I get the feeling that i'm going to puke.

So I just putting it under my tongue and let it sit...for how long?
 
Put it under your tongue and let it sit till it disappears then swish it about and swallow - that's if you want to be quick about it, otherwise as long as possible. Use mouth wash before-hand, works better.
 
No...link?

Found a link:

There are medicinal chemists who work on an unseen side of the pharmaceutical industry. Like their legally sanctioned counterparts, they work to synthesize drugs they hope will produce therapeutic effects in their users. But they do not work with billion-dollar budgets or advertising agencies; doctors are not bribed to distribute their products with ergonomic pens or fine terrycloth beach towels. Their advertising comes solely from word of mouth and semicautionary articles like the one you are about to read.

The creation of these chemicals is an extraordinary feat of interdisciplinarity; often the pharmacologist, the chemist, the posologist, the toxicologist, and the experimental animal are all the same human being. This is the way drugs have been developed since the beginning of medical history—it is only in recent years that the practice of self-experimentation has become stigmatized, and accordingly these experimenters, like M., must remain shrouded in mystery.

M. is one of the most respected chemists in his underground field. Singlehandedly, he has popularized and discovered numerous novel drugs for gray-market distribution. His most recent investigation of ketamine and its chemical variations produced a new dissociative anesthetic named methoxetamine, which has recently made its way into the nostrils and anuses of lay experimenters worldwide. Methoxetamine is an exemplary product of rational drug discovery; each of its atoms is the result of arduous study and consideration, all created independently on a minuscule budget. But the success of drugs like methoxetamine does not entail great profits for their inventors. Indeed, it is they who wring their hands most over the unknown fate of the chemicals they conceive. Herein we shall explore the great bioethical quandary faced by the underground medicinal chemist.

Vice: How did your interest in the chemistry of dissociatives begin?
M.: Well, when I was a young boy, only 13, I was badly hurt in an IRA bombing in London. My left hand had to be amputated after the explosion, and I knew I’d lived through a psychological stress that most people cannot even conceive. I would definitely say this triggered my interest in altered states. When you lose a limb, especially when the limb is exposed to serious trauma before the loss, there is a significant chance you’ll be left with an agonizing phantom limb.

Right, treatment for phantom limb has been one of the great riddles of neuroscience. Have you tried Ramachandran’s mirror-box therapy?
Oh yes, I’ve read Phantoms in the Brain and tried an awful lot of things. It’s a complete bastard to treat. God knows how many drugs I’ve been prescribed. Antidepressants, anti-epileptics, muscle relaxants—none of them really worked. For the worst excesses of phantom-limb pain, traditional painkillers like opiates don’t even touch it. You might as well not even bother with them. I was prescribed high doses of pethidine [also known as Demerol] but returned the bottle to my doctor because it wasn’t doing me any good whatsoever. When I came back, my doctor was agog. He said, “Nobody returns pethidine!” The pain involved can be so bad as to effectively detach your mind from consensus reality. Without suitable analgesia I end up looking like a psychiatric inmate, just rocking backward and forward, unable to do anything, sometimes for more than a day. All that considered, anything that does work is an absolute godsend.

And what works?
I discovered a long time ago that ketamine and cannabinoids helped my phantom hand. I’m quite convinced these classes work by distorting body image so severely that you phase out triggers for the pain. I have experienced profound proprioceptive distortions after intramuscular PCP injection, as if my whole body were a proportional model of the sensory homunculus. But in a sense, what I feel is not hallucination or a distortion, I actually find dissociatives corrective, that is, they make the phantom disappear. This is not just an idiosyncratic response on my part; there are at least three articles published on the effectiveness of ketamine in treating phantom-limb pain. It’s dished out by British pain-management clinics for just that purpose in the form of a nauseatingly artificial lemon-flavored linctus. Needless to say, the whole lot of it gets squirted up the arse to bypass my taste buds, but even this has its drawbacks… like sticky, sugary bum cheeks!

Fascinating. I had never considered the possibility that ketamine’s therapeutic effect on phantom limb is psychogenic—like a proprioceptive antihallucination. Recently there was an experiment done with ketamine and the rubber-hand illusion. Subjects given a ketamine infusion could feel the rhythmic strokes of a motorized paintbrush on a rubber hand in their visual field, as if the rubber hand were their real hand. So ketamine can both remove and embody an illusory appendage. Your background is in mainstream pharmacology, studying phenmetrazine2 analogs, correct?
Yes, after receiving a bachelor’s degree in biochemistry I was working on my masters in neuropharmacology. I synthesized an array of phenmetrazine analogs and quantified their potency as anorectics. But in order to do these experiments, you’ve got to kill rats. They train you to use noble words like sacrifice, but truthfully they just get a lab technician to smash the rat’s head open, or cut it in half with a pair of scissors. My conscience couldn’t hack it. So I became a teacher.

You did what?
I taught neurobiology as part of my postgraduate degree. But then I transitioned from academia into the sort of independent research I’m doing now.

You were the first person to report on the effects of synthetic cannabinoids like JWH-018, long before Spice Gold, and the first to comment on desoxypipradrol, 1-ethynylcyclohexanol, 5-APB, and methoxetamine. You have your finger in many pies… so to speak.
After receiving my degree I was just talking to people with similar interests, and I got to know a lot of people who had their expertise on the organic-chemistry side of things. Often these people were looking for somebody from a pharmacology background to suggest promising drugs, and it all went from there. As far as my own synthetic chemistry goes, I hung up my Leibig condenser a long time ago due to police visits and galloping paranoia, and, most important, I promised my ex-partner I would leave that life behind before we got hitched. She is a clinical toxicologist so she knows all too well what kind of damages these reckless behaviors can incur.

Here's the rest of it

http://www.viceland.com/int/v18n2/htdocs/interview-with-ketamine-chemist-704.php?page=1
 
"One methoxetamine user reported a dissociative-identity-disorder-esque psychotic episode. He impulsively fondled a stranger’s breasts, as if controlled by an external force. A nearly identical breast-fondling automatism was reported by John Lilly under the influence of ketamine. Perhaps the suppression of a breast-honking impulse is mediated by the NMDA receptor."

Haha they've been reading bluelight? Wasn't that Zonk?
 
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