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Schizophrenia-Psychedelics-Ever experience?

deez_nuggs said:
I think sanity/insanity and any mental "illnesses" are just bullshit labels. like previously posted, it is obvious culture and society have a heavy influence on our personalities and one's mental processes. but who is some psychiatrist to claim that personal beliefs or behavior is always a precursor to psychological instability? its stupid to think everyones biology is similar enough to be categorized as disorders.

If it is in fact a disease you could "catch" like HIV or the flu, there would be a virus, bacteria, not mystery surrounding its pathology. There's no cellular basis to mental illness, yet its something you "have" or don't have. Consider disorders like ADD, anxiety, or bipolar I and II - i think we all know someone who's been diagnosed with one of those (or has diagnosed themselves).
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Deez_nuggs, I agree with you on this! However, on a basic level, there are people that are crazy. By crazy, I mean 99% of people would fear these people because they are inconsistent about who they are, what they mean, what they do, etc.

IamMe90, what I believe is that it is there is reason behind people becoming bi-polar. Bi-polar can be cured. Rather than accept bi-polar as the end game to a your father's actions, I believe it's not the end. Your father can be cured (a bold claim indeed). Schizophrenics can be cured.

Understanding their reasoning and reality is, IMO, equivilant to unwinding a trigger that is twisted, filled with lies, fear, illusion, ill-communication, and other traps ready to be set off via paranoia and distrust. And you must unwind through all of this whilst not setting off the trigger. Sadly, some of these people even know they are "crazy". I say, they choose to "schizophrenia" or "bi-polar" because that's the last thing they want, but it keeps them alive. Some people believe these people that choose to be crazy want to be crazy because they are choosing it and therefore should be left to do what they are "wanting" to do. I do not accept insanity.

Despite all of this, I think there is a way to "repair" even the people who choose to be insane. I need specifics to relate to in order to do this. Everyone should be able to take acid and remain intact. No one should be alcoholic. This is what I want out of the world. Give me some "bad" trip specifics.
 
Man do i hate when i come around the psyche section and these retards think that there is no possibility of psyches causing some major changes in peoples lives. It always has to be predisposed with you guys doesn't it, well i think not. And mental illnesses and such all fake and made up as labels, fuck of.. please.
Anyways back to the topic, i think for some of the people using frequently for a long time are in danger of becoming very distant from reality and staying there. Not all, some people can really grasp there shit but there are some that just don't comprehend stuff the same. Anyways, you do not always have to be predisposed to have some major behavior and sanity issues to issues arise. Heavy use of psychedelics is not a safe path to go down imho, no matter how much 'insight' you think you may gaining. It may just throw your understanding of how things work completely off, but you are believing it to be true which may work for some people i guess..
 
i knew this kid since elementary school and when he tried marijuana for the first time in high school, he became schizophrenic. i was best friends with him and never really saw anything wrong with him until after he smoked.
 
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Schizophrenia is like that - it comes on all of a sudden in your late teens/early twenties regardless of drug use. The cause is generally thought to be genetic.
 
F1n1shed said:
Heavy use of psychedelics is not a safe path to go down imho, no matter how much 'insight' you think you may gaining.
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That's fine - we're all entitled to our opinion. I'd like you to support your opinion with a little evidence before I believe you tho. Otherwise you might have just pulled it out of your ass while you were smoking a doobie one night.
 
rollingstoned! said:
What draws the line between the "crazy" and the "sane"?
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"Schizophrenia is a mental disorder characterized by a disintegration of thought processes and of emotional responsiveness. It most commonly manifests as auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions, or disorganized speech and thinking, and it is accompanied by significant social or occupational dysfunction. The onset of symptoms typically occurs in young adulthood, with a global lifetime prevalence of about 0.3–0.7%. Diagnosis is based on observed behavior and the patient's reported experiences.

Genetics, early environment, neurobiology, and psychological and social processes appear to be important contributory factors; some recreational and prescription drugs appear to cause or worsen symptoms. Current research is focused on the role of neurobiology, but this inquiry has not isolated a single organic cause. The many possible combinations of symptoms have triggered debate about whether the diagnosis represents a single disorder or a number of discrete syndromes.

The mainstay of treatment is antipsychotic medication, which primarily works by suppressing dopamine activity. Psychotherapy and vocational and social rehabilitation are also important. In more serious cases—where there is risk to self and others—involuntary hospitalization may be necessary, although hospital stays are now shorter and less frequent than they were.

The disorder is thought mainly to affect cognition, but it also usually contributes to chronic problems with behavior and emotion. People with schizophrenia are likely to have additional (comorbid) conditions, including major depression and anxiety disorders; the lifetime occurrence of substance abuse is almost 50%. Social problems, such as long-term unemployment, poverty and homelessness, are common. The average life expectancy of people with the disorder is 12 to 15 years less than those without, the result of increased physical health problems and a higher suicide rate, about 5% "
 
I didn't exactly get sent to the ward, but I had to be medicated with high doses of anti psychotics for about 6 months, because doing LSD gave me PTSD.

I pretty much lost it, and it's basically the equivalent. I wasn't sure I'd ever tough a psychedelic drug again, but here I am.
 
Let me clarify my reasoning for those who were appalled at my post. There is no way for an average person to look at Joe Schizo and "see" a mental disorder. I looked at my grandmother and saw a bald woman with a mastectomy. There is your difference in physiology.

All humans act according to their conscious thoughts and awareness. Some are psychotic, some are neurotic, others live their whole lives mentally and emotionally balanced. The field of psychiatry has allowed our society to "structure" the very soul and personality of our being. I think that's wrong and it should be changed. Human behavior is not something quantifiable. In my opinion, it is on a continuum. There are residuals (Einstein, Hitler, Michael Phelps, you get the idea) and then there is the majority that behaves in an orderly fashion. These are the "mentally balanced" and they do not deviate from the norms in a frequency or manner like those who have "dis"orders. On the other hand, you could argue its not that simple, but i think that would be a stupid argument.

Why should we be allowed to live freely, vote, have kids and work at a six figure income when there are plenty of safe, reasonable adults locked in "hospitals" because they view the world differently?
 
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yourtman said:
I also out of personal experiance have had an almost 6 month long psychosis from over indulgence in RC psychedelics, acid and DMT where I took ecvery single thing as a personal message to me, and everytime i smoked pot I thought I was god because everyone around me would tell me I was
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People told you to your face that you were god? :?
 
everyone is mad!

psychedelics just make you realise your perspective on "what is normal" and "how things should be" is just another skewed preconception
 
I'm one of those who went crazy, more than a decade ago. Had symptoms of schizophrenia, paranoia, derealizations etc. Sometimes it seemed like I was clinging to the "other" reality too much and tried to integrate it into my everyday consciousness. Sure, it was fun at times. But mostly it was just a waste of time. It took several years untill I got "normal" again and the casual psychotic episodes stopped. I guess it helped a lot that I stopped taking psychedelics for ~5 years (though I smoked weed all the time). After those years psychedelics didn't seem to do much harm to my mind anymore. Maybe because of my different mindset and the changes in my personality. Back then I tripped several times on shrooms and 2C-I, and lost interest again for several years because I was too busy with other things in life.

I had a personality disorder before I started tripping, though I didn't know that. I guess that also added to me getting crazy. But it wasn't that I suddenly gone nuts. It was more like a slow process, getting worse and worse. To my friends I probably seemed to be rather normal, maybe a little weird.

I'm not sure where the line between crazy and sane is, I guess it's the point where your "weirdness" starts to regularly impact your life in a negative way and when it clouds your mind with negative phantasies. When you automatically assume that your phantasies/delusions or hallucinations are real, and that long after you took a psychedelic drug, then you're probably crazy, or close to getting crazy.

With that said, I don't think psychedelics are generally harmful to people with any kind of mental/personality disorder. It can't be generalized like that. It always depends on the circumstances (therapeutic environment or so) and the mindset/intentions. In fact I think psychedelics can be of benefit for people with disorders, including schizophrenia, if used wisely and rarely. On another board I recently read a trip report of someone who was diagnosed with schizophrenia before they started tripping. The trip was kinda fucked up with lots of negative episodes, especially due to a foolishly chosen set&setting, but in the end the person actually found a way to deal with the symptoms, which may or may not be helpful in the future.

Related links:
http://www.hofmann.org/papers/fisher/fisher_4.htm
http://www.neurodiversity.com/library_bender_1962a.html
http://www.medindia.net/news/Improved-Treatment-Results-For-Schizophrenia-With-LSD-33417-1.htm
 
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I've had a friend who took some pills once and pretty much lost it. Was in a catatonic state for a few weeks, literally didn't know where/who he was, couldn't eat, couldn't tell what was real and what wasn't. We had to force him into a car and take him to the ER. After antipsychotics he was much better. We don't know what was in the pills but the experience was terrifying.

Sometimes when you're tripping, if you're with the wrong kind of people, you can go "insane" temporarily (until they wear off.) For instance, if you're in a room with somebody and you're both tripping, and you begin to think "wait, are you really here or are you just in my head?" and really dwell on this idea, it can make you scared to the point where you're not sure what to believe.

Extreme confusion is how some people explain it. Sometimes I know "who" I am, but not exactly what that means. OK my name is X, I have a body, I have a job, I do thinks, etc, but "what" exactly am "I" ? These thought loops can scare people and send your thoughts into an endless downward spiral where you begin to lose sense of reality.

There's also always the "did I overdo it this time? Did I take too much" paranoia but these generally all subside if you can keep calm.
 
"The Surgeon General's report estimated that 20% of the United States population was affected by mental disorders and that 15% use some type of mental health service every year."

It seems like untangling correlation from causation on these issues might be impossible. Lots of people have "mental illness" type episodes throughout their lives. The fact that many individuals see a causal relationship between their drug use and mental problems does not actually prove that such cases would not occur on their own.

Even if certain psychedelics can cause mental disorders, it seems like it would be very difficult to control for the fact that drug users have a pretty serious selection bias i.e. they may simply be predisposed to "mental illness" due to previous stress, risk seeking behavior, depression, etc.
 
However, I would certainly advise against all but the most cautious experimentation with psychedelics for persons experiencing any sort of mental distress.
 
I did some "inpatient" time during my high school days and my roommate was a 14-year-old girl who was over-dosed on acid by a "friend". She said he took a dropper and squirted a shit-ton into her mouth instead of just a drop or two. She slept for the first 3 days in the psych ward, then we decorated the ceiling with wet toilet paper and caused all kinds of other shit when she came to ;)

After all that, she said "I don't know if I wanna do acid again. For a while."

Ugh.
 
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