My friend ate mushrooms with mold...

[Aeon Psyche]

My friend ate mushrooms with mold so can anyone tell me here what the danger in it is? Is he risking infection or something? I have no idea. I threw all the rest in the trash when I noticed it had mold on it. It was really hard to notice because of this weird strain. Most of my friends couldn't tell if they were actual shrooms or truffels.

 

[dragnfli]

truffels... there's a restaurant market for those (upscale delicacy)

 

[Solipsis]

Read this about the compounds that can make you sick

What kind of strain are you talking about? Something inbetween mushrooms and sclerotia?

This sounds to me almost like a diagnostic question, well if he ingested the mold and chemicals that it made ^ then he can indeed get poisoned by the mycotoxins and get sick... an infection designates a parasitic disease which is not the case here.
I would venture the guess that in many cases it will seem like food poisoning which is extremely similar (it might help if you know people who had that), the GI tract is mostly upset, nausea and diarrhea may be endured.
In rare cases an exotic type of mold might have made some especially obnoxious toxins then it would get you to the hospital and they would want to sample either the mold you ate if there is any left or try to get it from your stool sample (I am guessing there)...

 

[MrFaust]

not infection, hed be poisoned. If youre really worried you should take him to the hospital and bring some of that mold he ate so they can know what it is

 

[Aeon Psyche]

Thanks for the help

 

[Lazyscience]

ive eaten millions of moldy mushrooms. its note me no harm whatsoever.

theres no reason itd do you any more harm than a bit of moldy bread or cheese.

 

[delta_9]

It's hard to tell. Even with a pic of the mushrooms, this is still guess game. Some toxins show activity within hours some within days. If you are truly worried, and he is able to travel, please seek proper medical attention as soon as you are able.
No one here is going to or can help you in any way.

 

[thizztoad420]

I never knew shrooms can grow on shrooms...but i guess that makes sence...I like wat drangonfli said...shrooms are already food poisons, so if theres shrooms on top of shrooms i can only imagine there posioness...will the make u trip..that the question...but i would almost guess that they are toxic, and should be taken with care, and knowledge

 

[delta_9]

Certain species of fungi can use almost organic matter as substarte. I have actually seen certain psilocybe species growing off of single doller bill(which is 99%+) cotton.

shrooms are already food poisons

They are not. Please see a basic Mycology 101 or Biology of fungi 101 textbook. Either will do.

Also the "shrooms" are merely the visible friuting body of the organism. There is likely and entrily complex mycellium structre underneath and all around the fruiting body which is much more vital to to the orgamisn than the fruiting body itself(ie stem and mushroom)

 

[thizztoad420]

There is likely and entrily complex mycellium structre underneath and all around the fruiting body which is much more vital to to the orgamisn than the fruiting body itself(ie stem and mushroom)

Are u saying that mold is vital to the developement of the musroom as a whole?

 

[thizztoad420]

Certain species of fungi can use almost organic matter as substarte. I have actually seen certain psilocybe species growing off of single doller bill(which is 99%+) cotton.

They are not. Please see a basic Mycologolyl 101 or Biology of fungi 101 textbook. Either will do.

Also the "shrooms" are merely the visible friuting body of the organism. There is likely and entrily complex mycellium structre underneath and all around the fruiting body which is much more vital to to the orgamisn than the fruiting body itself(ie stem and mushroom)

Are u saying that mold is vital to the developement of the musroom as a whole?

 

[thizztoad420]

Certain species of fungi can use almost organic matter as substarte. I have actually seen certain psilocybe species growing off of single doller bill(which is 99%+) cotton.

They are not. Please see a basic Mycologolyl 101 or Biology of fungi 101 textbook. Either will do.

Also the "shrooms" are merely the visible friuting body of the organism. There is likely and entrily complex mycellium structre underneath and all around the fruiting body which is much more vital to to the orgamisn than the fruiting body itself(ie stem and mushroom)

And i no wat "shrooms" are but...noing this doesnt mean that things that grow off other things and become one isnt posioness....codecyp fungus are posiones to insects in the fact that they grow off of incects but they are benificial to humans....how does the information u gave me disprove of shrooms being not posioness....they closly resmeble the saratonin molcule which is if taken externally posioness to us...i always thought of them being slightly posioness but not to the point of death....like a venomous bite from neurotoxic snake will make u trip out before u die....please send me a link that acredidited and says psilosyben is not posoiness to us...psilocen is more natural.....im just confused on wat u wrote in general...sry i did 2ce yesterday i got mush brain today...be more to the point i guess....

 

[delta_9]

Are u saying that mold is vital to the developement of the musroom as a whole?

Indeed. Mycellial collonies have been known to grow thousands of miles undergroung and are able to sustain hundred if not thoughsands of individual fruiting bodies. They also work in symbiosis with many other organisms in their natural ecosystem.

"Mold" and "mushrooms", being of the same biological kingdom, are one in the same.

And i no wat "shrooms" are but...noing this doesnt mean that things that grow off other things and become one isnt posioness....codecyp fungus are posiones to insects in the fact that they grow off of incects but they are benificial to humans....how does the information u gave me disprove of shrooms being not posioness....they closly resmeble the saratonin molcule which is if taken externally posioness to us...i always thought of them being slightly posioness but not to the point of death....like a venomous bite from neurotoxic snake will make u trip out before u die....please send me a link that acredidited and says psilosyben is not posoiness to us...psilocen is more natural.....im just confused on wat u wrote in general...sry i did 2ce yesterday i got mush brain today...be more to the point i guess....
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I did not mean to suggest that certain muhsrooms and not poisonous to mamals. Many do synthezise mycotoxin which can kill a mammal the approximate size of a human quite quickly if not treated properly. This is however not the case with the common psilocybes mushrooms.

However, the majority if those organisms in the psilocybe genus are genernall believed to be quite safe, which is what I was getting at when you made the rather outlandish claim that "shrooms are already food poisons". Which is silly and quie ignorant of mycologycal science.

Edit - I just has to jump on this as well

psilosyben is not posoiness to us...psilocen is more natural

Explanation please? How can you claim this when both compounds are bio-synthesized by several species of fungi during their normal life....naturally I might add.
Does the presence of a few extra atoms and or phosphate group somehow make psilocybin"unnatral" (BTW psilocybin is just psilocin with a phosphate group(PO43- if I recall) chemically bonded at the 4-position). Is this "not natural somehow"?

 

[thizztoad420]

Indeed. Mycellial collonies have been known to grow thousands of miles undergroung and are able to sustain hundred if not thoughsands of individual fruiting bodies. They also work in symbiosis with many other organisms in their natural ecosystem.

"Mold" and "mushrooms", being of the same biological kingdom, are one in the same.

I did not mean to suggest that certain muhsrooms and not poisonous to mamals. Many do synthezise mycotoxin which can kill a mammal the approximate size of a human quite quickly if not treated properly. This is however not the case with the common psilocybes mushrooms.

However, the majority if those organisms in the psilocybe genus are genernall believed to be quite safe, which is what I was getting at when you made the rather outlandish claim that "shrooms are already food poisons". Which is silly and quie ignorant of mycologycal science.

ahhh thank u very much for clearing all that up so no psilocybe mushroom contain mycotoxin? and is mycotoxin the only posioness toxin found in mushrooms that are harmful to humans, or are there a wide range?
...becuase i no psyloscibyn mushrooms are harmfull to cats..not humans, am i correct?

 

[delta_9]

"Mycotoxin" is indeed a blanket term, covering a wide range of compounds of varying potencies, doses, and lethalities. Fortunately the average man has little contact with these organism and their compounds. Unless he if course a trained mycologist, which is the ONLY person with the qualification of doing so.

But it's quite possible, via evolution, that these species are becoming more complex, and as such, are likely to use whatever means they have to ensure their survival(after all these toxins were originally synthesized to keep predators away. As far as I know they serve little biological benefit to the organism, as some can be quite difficult and energy consuming to synthesize in vivo(someone correct me if I'm here)

After all, all of the materials are present (C,O,N,H, and micro elements to an extent), it's just whether or not there becomes a serious reason for the organism to do this.

If the organism in question is not facing a serious threat in any way(ie extinction), then things will likely be as they as for some time.

 

[thizztoad420]

"Mycotoxin" is indeed a blanket term, covering a wide range of compounds of varying potencies, doses, and lethalities. Fortunately the average man has little contact with these organism and their compounds. Unless he if course a trained mycologist, which is the ONLY person with the qualification of doing so.

But it quite possible, via evolution, that these species are becoming more complex, and as such, are likely to use whatever means they have to ensure their survival(after all these toxins were originally synthesized to keep predators away. As far as I know they serve little biological benefit to the organism, as some can be quite difficult and energy consuming to synthesize in vivo(someone correct me if I'm here)
After all, all of the materials are present (C,O,N,H, and micro elements to an extent), it's just whether or not there becomes a serious reason fo the organism to do this.

Like the way u say it..."But it quite possible, via evolution, that these species are becoming more complex"....Im into neurology via. wat the molecule does chemically in the mental region to effect your perceptional outlook..thanx for clearling all this up...dont forget that pscilocyben before its converted into pcilosyn has phosphorous also may very well be evolutionizing into a posion...and u seem like a person who sees the world as a living organsism and we are the cells of that organism...right? (in leghman terms) then thus when a body gets a cancer there is two things that may happen the organism dies, or the internal cells fight that cancer...are humans the cancer of the earth and it is totally possible that each and everyhting on the earth may be posioness to humans...like that movie when ppl started commiting suicide from plants that shoot neurotoxins in the air...but if that happens we are technicly 98 precent the same as animals...only diff is the frontal lobe,. which in later terms caused more changes...so anything and all is posible...but now i now that psilocin is not considered as myctoxin

 

[delta_9]

..and u seem like a person who sees the world as a living organsism and we are the cells of that organism...right?

Indeed you are spot on. Withouth the constant bio,photonic, acoustic, and other signals coming directly from out Mother Earth, all flura and fauna would not exists. This has known many yeaqrs ago by the acient shamans, aboriginal people, sages, medcine me, and adepts of antiguity. They practice certain ritual on astrological dates in the hopes of bringing porsperity for the their people as well and heal and strengthen the immune system of the Earth. Certain geographical lotacation were chose where it was believe there was much power and energy there(like the Earth Chakra point, one on eath continent) Sadly this knowloedge has been largelty forgotten.
This is the same on all planets whether life present or not. These are called the "shuman waves."
Earth resonated as certain frquencies dependent upon it's weight, lilt, orbit, density, and other factors.

The Earth itself, by contrast, has roughly only several dozen million individual species that have been properly identified, with many more left undiscovered to be sure.

I do not believe however that we at all necessary in this procesd. If pushed I would say we are the cancer of this Earth with out current technological advancement. However there is no need to worry. As mentioned, the Earth is conscious and will purge itself our species(and likely many more) if it truly feels a great thread to maintian it's homrstsis. It will then spend some much needed time to help itself and another species will repeat this process via evolution.

 

[thizztoad420]

Indeed you are spot on. Withouth the constant bio,photonic, acoustic, and other signals coming directly from out Mother Earth, all flura and fauna would not exists. This has known many yeaqrs ago by the acient shamans, aboriginal people, sages, medcine me, and adepts of antiguity. They practice certain ritual on astrological dates in the hopes of bringing porsperity for the their people as well and heal and strengthen the immune system of the Earth. Certain geographical lotacation were chose where it was believe there was much power and energy there(like the Earth Chakra point, one on eath continent) Sadly this knowloedge has been largelty forgotten.
This is the same on all planets whether life present or not. These are called the "shuman waves."
Earth resonated as certain frquencies dependent upon it's weight, lilt, orbit, density, and other factors.

The Earth itself, by contrast, has roughly only several dozen million individual species that have been properly identified, with many more left undiscovered to be sure.

I do not believe however that we at all necessary in this procesd. If pushed I would say we are the cancer of this Earth with out current technological advancement. However there is no need to worry. As mentioned, the Earth is conscious and will purge itself our species(and likrly many more) if it truly feels a great thread to it'd homrstsis. It will then spend some much needed time to help itself and another species will repeat this process via evolution.

Agrees with everything u said brotha...My goal is to prove all that through science...i know its hard...for example "vibes" vibrations like u said accustics...everything is living on a structrual or mollecular level..for example metal its a universe of billions upon billions of attoms...in my opinion the smallest form of life that we can see...(amd attoms do look like tiny universes if u look at the snap shot the have of an attom.) (quarks are part of attoms so dont go there lol) however these attoms are always movving...giving off vibrations, "acustics" as u said, or vibes vibrations...sadly theres much ignorance...einstien did say if u judege a fish on the way it can climb a tree all fish are stupid...so each of us is ignorant in something, but geniouis in another,,,sadly too many people arent consious of what "life" and beyon...Thus DMT is my favorite chem in the question of is it the connector to the devine?...or is it a chemical reaction in ur brain that reflect of what u think is the devine....all though it is all around us in almost all living things, no? So yeah many questions to ask with so many posibilities so many perception to the one truth...i hope science can answer all