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Higher purity crystal methamphetine

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There is this cut, it's like white rocks, it turns really watery in the pipe (unlike real meth which is gluggy and moves slower) and then evaporates/disappears really quickly. I know noone can say for sure as it's against the rules but what kind of cut is this most likely to be, MSM?
 
^^ yer dude its msm.... turns into a puddle, looks like it smokes up kuta then you blow out nothing.... got burnt couple of weeks ago which looks like killa rocks but turned out to be straight out msm... my question is, whenever you go on a bender and its cut pretty bad (smoking), does anyone else get this killa cough the next couple of days and you hak up some dirty phlegm which has the consistency of glue and is like white?? is this shit harmfull?? im assuming its from the msm and its really hard to actually get out of your sinus/throat/whatever the fuck it gets stuck in after smokin pips....
 
Yeah sucks blowing out nothing, lucky don't come across it much, purity seems generally very high. I get the same throat thing, I cough real bad a lot, and loudly, and clear my throat a lot, it's nasty, like it just won't clear no matter how hard you try, I dunno what the cause is but I'd guess that like how tobacco makes tar form over the little hairs in your throat, the meth (or cut) is doing a similar thing? Sensitive tissue inside throat/lungs + chemical vapors = bad news?
 
^^ i figured it was just the msm building up in your respiratory system over time thus creating sluggish gue that is very hard to hack up :p

but obviously if ya smoke durrys, that shit doesnt help when ya on a bender :p
 
edit* It can be caused by damage to lung tissues and the presence of foreign particles in the lungs.

It doesn't matter what the meth is cut with, it's bad for your lungs no matter if it's pure or not.

The cilia (hair like fingers) in your lungs, stop cleaning while you are inhaling large amounts of smoke, vapor or dust and they start the cleaning process 1-3 days after. This is why you usually don't cough for a couple of days.

Anyone that has quit smoking cigarettes will tell you how much you cough in the days following the last cigarette.

Think of it as the cilia going "if he/she's going to inhale this crap, I'm not going to clean these lungs until this stops". So when you stop inhaling toxic crap, they go back to doing what they are designed to do and that is cleaning the lungs.

Hope that helps to understand the coughing and bringing up of phlegm after twirling the glass pipe.
 
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PsiloSubNaut said:
It's the inhaled vapor, re-crystallizing inside your lungs and throat which causes it. It can also be caused by damage to lung tissues.

It doesn't matter what the meth is cut with, it's bad for your lungs no matter if it's pure or not.
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No doubt it's bad for your lungs but it'd be interesting to know how much the msm vs. meth vs. other cuts are effecting things.

If I had to guess I'd say most of the stuff going around at street is 30% pure or less...so that's a lot of cut. If you're a regular meth smoker it might even be worth washing all the stuff you get just for the health benefits...
 
MSM is used as a dietary supplement and I doubt it's any worse for you than meth, even when vaporized.

Anything that is drawn into the lungs can have serious negative side effects so if you are going to worry about it all, I'd either stop doing meth or harden up :)

Use a search engine and you will find out all you need to know in relation to toxicity of cutting agents. I somehow doubt many would be much worse than methamphetamine itself. I'll look into it tomorrow if no one else does.

It's the crappy "smokable speed" which is less than 10% pure and usually contains left over solvents from the synthesis that I'd be really worried about inhaling. Such solvents are way more carcinogenic than MSM.

Methylsulfonylmethane (MSM) is an organosulfur compound with the formula (CH3)2SO2. It is also known by several other names including DMSO2, methyl sulfone, and dimethyl sulfone. This colorless solid features the sulfonyl functional group and is considered relatively inert chemically. It occurs naturally in some primitive plants and is present in small amounts in many foods and beverages and it is marketed as a dietary supplement, although its benefits are disputed.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylsulfonylmethane
 
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Cuts could be anything, and as Psilo said the dangers are more likely going to be remainders from the synth rather than anything added as a cutter. But meth doesn't recrystallise in your throat or lungs as it's water soluble, and both the throat and lungs are always wet.

Pure meth takes a long time to start to vapourise, and once the flame has been taken away it should hold the heat for a long time.Hold the flame for 3 secs on a bowl of good stuff and you'll be lucky to get it all in in a lungful. Good stuff wont stick to the bowl, it runs around like a water droplet off a ducks back. Pure meth also has very little to no taste - the taste comes from the benzene compounds and is an impurity.
 
but most often its because it is not ice/crystal meth (meth hcl of salt) but meth hcl
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Meth 'HCl of salt' and meth HCl are both the same thing... the hydrochloride salt of methamphetamine.

I know noone can say for sure as it's against the rules but what kind of cut is this most likely to be, MSM?
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It's not against the rules, but it's speculation. But speculating and talking about possible health impacts is good discussion. :)

I too would recommend an acetone wash if you are concerned about the impact of cuts on your health; it's very easy to do and there are a few guides posted on here. Make sure it's anhydrous though!
 
There's so many cutters that I doubt even the people doing the cutting know what they are all the time. An acetone wash really is the best way. There's def some crap going around though, I recently washed some 'speed' that came out as less than 1% :/
 
pisspotnrock said:
^^ yer dude its msm.... turns into a puddle, looks like it smokes up kuta then you blow out nothing.... got burnt couple of weeks ago which looks like killa rocks but turned out to be straight out msm... my question is, whenever you go on a bender and its cut pretty bad (smoking), does anyone else get this killa cough the next couple of days and you hak up some dirty phlegm which has the consistency of glue and is like white?? is this shit harmfull?? im assuming its from the msm and its really hard to actually get out of your sinus/throat/whatever the fuck it gets stuck in after smokin pips....
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the crystal meth i get always turns into a puddle... When heated it makes a crackling sound and then turns into a clear liquid that moves freely around bowel, and will stay liquid and smoke for abit when i remove flame unless it goes on a cooler part of bowel which then it starts recrystalising
 
A lil bit off topic (but then again not really lol)...
Purchased some 'ice' recently and recieved some 4mar this time (lol its a lucky dip with these guys, can be crystal meth or 4mar) and the purity of this batch is very very good. The best i have prob ever had, no lie. The crystals are a slightly more whiteish in colour than the common clear crystals i normally see (both meth & 4mar). when i bought some i was skeptical a lil cos of its appearance but its quality is very good. I only need one puff and i feel the effects, head tingles and all. I am amazed at how low the amount is needed to feel full effects with 4mar and especially with this batch i got. Also another thing about the appearance of this batch is these crystals more resembled chunky rocks than the broken glass/ice shard appearence or the thin long shard apearance that 4mar often looks when i have seen it. Oh yeh this batch bought in sydney
 
Anybody noticed the cola shards come back in brisbane? thank god that yellow gear is on the way out. Also noticed a horrible new cut being used for crystal, makes being awake for a few days really harsh on your memory and thought processes...more so than usual ;)
 
Methamphetamine users recognised the high purity of base and ice relative to powder
methamphetamine (Table 20) and the majority (73%) rated the overall purity of methamphetamine
as medium to high. Analysis of methamphetamine seizures in NSW indicated that, although the
median purity of methamphetamine was low, purity doubled from a median of 6% in 2001 and
2002 to 13% in 2003.
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These purity data should be treated with caution because they are based
on only a small and potentially biased sample of drug seizures that undergo purity analysis.
Nonetheless, this increase in the purity of NSW methamphetamine seizures is consistent with
more comprehensive data from drug seizures in Victoria (see Methamphetamine: physical forms,
purity and terminology).
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http://www.ndlerf.gov.au/pub/Sydney_Meth_Final_Report.pdf

According to the IDDR (Australian Crime Commission, 2007), purity levels vary markedly from 1% to 99% pure for both amphetamine and methamphetamine samples. Not all seizures by Australian law enforcement agencies are subjected to forensic analysis. In 2005/06, 193 amphetamine seizures were tested and 4878 methamphetamine seizures were tested. Their median purity varied from 7% to 79%.
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Figure 1.5: Median purity of methamphetamine samples, 2001/02–2005/06 -
0.366
http://www.health.gov.au/internet/d.../Content/mono69-l~mono69-l-ch1~mono69-l-ch1.8

Did a bit of research and it appears that the average purity is generally under 30%. Keep in mind it can be hard to judge from seizures the true purity of street level stuff (as noted above :))

Also, if I had to guess I'd say the stuff that's seized would be mostly from bigger busts? I mean, they'd have to do a lot of 3 gram seizures from low level dealers to make up for the bigger .5KG+ seizures...and this may cause the purity reported above to be higher than is encountered by most users. Gotta have a closer look at the data.

I'd love to be able to test all the stuff believed to be 4mar. Not saying anyone is wrong but I know there's a big difference between meth that lots of people think is quite good (maybe 25% pure?) and higher purity stuff that comes along every once in a while.
 
Nice post christ... I like the graph, some interesting info there. Im guessing its all types of meth from powdered to crystal and maybe even pills.... I wonder what caused the victorian and wa spikes, victorian police must have made one large bust that quater which met their quota lol so they relaxed and just harrased ppl at festivals lol.
 
^ I'd wager that was a single large (kg) bust of high purity meth skewing the data. Thanks for posting those figures and graph though Christ! Very informative!
 
Pure meth also has very little to no taste - the taste comes from the benzene compounds and is an impurity.
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I take it you mean when inhaled? I agree with this. Of course the taste, as in on your tongue, of the actual crystal or powder is insanely bitter.

MSM is now the most commonly found diluent in seized quantities of "crystal" methylamphetamine. The simple reason is because it has a similar appearance to meth crystal and can be vaporised in the pipe and not leave much of a residue (unlike glucose). The one big difference between the two is that MSM is fairly tasteless.

The best method of determining the strength of meth (and by meth I mean the white to clear crystalline form that is likely to be a combination of purer methylamphetamine cut with MSM) is to crush a small portion of it and put the powder on the back of your tongue. High purity meth will leave you gagging due to the very bitter taste. It will be more bitter than a strong MDMA pill. Low purity meth will have a minimal to slightly bitter taste.

The molecule cannot be changed and so the taste will never change. It is the most reliable indicator in my view.
 
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