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5-MeO-DMT Preparation

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I've never done 5-MeO-DMT and recently had an opportunity to get 1 gram so I just on the chance and need some advice. First I have experience with the following compounds: Marijuana, Mushrooms, MD*, 2C-I, 2C-E, 2C-T-2, 2C-T-7, Ketamine, PCP, Salvia, LSA, LSA, Cocaine, DXM, bk-MDMA. I think that's it. Getting my hands on 5-MeO-DMT has always been the holy grail for me and never took it in the past because I never felt I was ready. Although I don't think anyone can ever be ready for it, based on trip reports I've read, I feel that now I'm as ready as I can be. I tried to work my way up on stronger and stronger compounds till now where there seems there really isn't anything else left to try. I know there are a crazy amount of RCs out there but basically they are all very similar.

So back to my original question what, if anything, should I try and do to try and prepare myself for this intense experience. Unfortunately I do suffer from anxiety/panic attacks. I usually get some minor anxiety on the come up on 2Cs, get it really bad on the come up of mushrooms, and strangely even get minor anxiety on marijuana. However I have never let this prevent me from trying to experience something new and explore human consciousness.

When I originally started doing drugs it was for fun and getting high but as I got older it was to try something new. To explore the human mind, learn about my self, and hopefully have these experiences effect my life in a positive way. All RCs I usually only try once, again just for the experience.

My biggest concern with 5-MeO is the "terror" people describe, but I don't want to let this limit me. Most reports I read where the user had a good experience change their life for the better. They seem to describe this new outlook on life and have a new positive glow. So what can I do to try and make this experience better? Would possibly taking like a .5 of Xanax help alleviate any possibly anxiety? Would insufflating or taking it sublingually help but slowing it down every so slowly?

This to me is the holy grail. Almost every experience seems to reach a +4 and I am determined to try it, but I want it to be good. To have a positive effect on my life and my mind. Sorry for the rambling but I'm very nervous trying this compound, although I think it is more nervousness of the unknown and the intensity, and not a fear that I'm going to die on it considering I'm planning on trying less then 10mg. Any advice, suggestions, words of comfort :D would be greatly appreciated.

As a side note when I do decide to finally do it I'm going to have my friend there who has as much experience with psychedelics as I do. We always try new compounds together so when can compare our experiences and watch out for each other. He is someone I trust implicitly in these situations.

Thanks.
 
I feel the same way you feel about 5-MeO-DMT and have still yet to try it although I have tried many of the same compounds you have tried and a few more. It is, without a doubt, the holy grail of all psychedelics and I'm still waiting to try it.

As for preparation, I would definitely start low and have a trip sitter to make sure you do not fall over, as 5-MeO-DMT is said to temporarily compromise your motor skills. The anxiety you feel with many 2C compounds is due to the amphetamine / roll feeling that comes with the trip and should not occur with 5-MeO-DMT. Perhaps taking a Xanax would do the trick but the real trick is the right time, location, and reason for use.

I wish you good luck in your journey and absolutely cannot wait to hear the report from someone who seems to have a lot in common with me.
 
In my advise, DO NOT take xanax. Seriously, the first 6 or 7 seconds will feel like the most intense and scariest seconds of your life. But wtf is the point in taking the plunge with xanax to obscure your vision of it? Really do you really want to stare god in the face on xanax? Nah dude, just take a minute to ground yourself. maybe meditate if you know how, but just hit it. Hit it and dissolve, like your supposed to.

oh and lay on your side when you do, so you can just drop the piece and let your ego die. Nothing you can conceptualize will prepare you. Just go for it, you'll come back I promise, and for the better.
 
ganja god said:
In my advise, DO NOT take xanax. Seriously, the first 6 or 7 seconds will feel like the most intense and scariest seconds of your life. But wtf is the point in taking the plunge with xanax to obscure your vision of it? Really do you really want to stare god in the face on xanax? Nah dude, just take a minute to ground yourself. maybe meditate if you know how, but just hit it. Hit it and dissolve, like your supposed to.
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Absolutely the key. Hit it and dissolve. No conscious what so ever. Just dissolve into what is and what will be as you cannot change it. The scary part may not even come to you but if it does, assure yourself that it is just a trip and know you will come out of it.

And, yes.. NOTHING you can conceptualize can prepare you for such a journey. It can only make you think you are ready, which in reality - you are regardless of preparation.
 
non-breakthrough doses are very unpleasant to many people... who realize after a breakthrough that the only thing that made their first intents unpleasant was their own fear


i couldn't smoke it right at first to the point that i almost gave up because i felt so bad

luckily i was too curious and finally tried again and made it

i reaaaally advise a regular weed pipe with a small grid and ashes under and over the crystals
rather than tin foil or a lightbulb


now if i don't breakthough, it still feels very nice
showing that the former anxiety was only due to myself and not to the drug


so don't stress for nothing

maybe take a 5mg dose at first to check that you're not over sensitive to it
things should start to feel weird at 5mg but nothing like a breakthough
if you feel alright, you can as well up the doses progressively

but if it makes you uneasy, i'd advice to spare yourself the steps and go straight to around 11-12mg (some people need more)

you want to experience it anyway in the end, so spare yourself the non-breakthrough doses

luckily, it will be the #&%$@*&% experience that no words can describe

unluckily, it feel be the terrifying one that some people experience... but still consider very worth having tried, just to know that such a thing could exist

in both cases, it's free jumping
feels good or bad, but you'll be safe at the landing

This to me is the holy grail
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please don't insult 5-MeO-DMT :)
5-MeO-DMT is a proof that god doesn't exist
if he existed, he's be so jealous of the power of 5-MeO-DMT that he would take it all out off the world
just kidding
 
Hallucinogens said:
I feel the same way you feel about 5-MeO-DMT and have still yet to try it although I have tried many of the same compounds you have tried and a few more. It is, without a doubt, the holy grail of all psychedelics and I'm still waiting to try it.

As for preparation, I would definitely start low and have a trip sitter to make sure you do not fall over, as 5-MeO-DMT is said to temporarily compromise your motor skills. The anxiety you feel with many 2C compounds is due to the amphetamine / roll feeling that comes with the trip and should not occur with 5-MeO-DMT. Perhaps taking a Xanax would do the trick but the real trick is the right time, location, and reason for use.

I wish you good luck in your journey and absolutely cannot wait to hear the report from someone who seems to have a lot in common with me.
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Well said.


Look forward to your experience with 5-MeO-DMT. 12mg vaporized shattered my world for about 10min. It is a heavy trip indeed but can be very rewarding.
 
vegan said:
i couldn't smoke it right at first to the point that i almost gave up because i felt so bad

luckily i was too curious and finally tried again and made it

i reaaaally advise a regular weed pipe with a small grid and ashes under and over the crystals
rather than tin foil or a lightbulb
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What is purpose of the ashes over and under it? I have a pipe, water bong, and vaporizer. Also is this something that is going to sear my lungs and throat and if so would the water pipe help or vaporizer be better? I'm also assuming that I don't really need to hold in the smoke for long.
 
One last thing. What is the best storage method? Right now I have it in a ziplock bag inside a vacuum seal bag? I think I read somewhere that it is sensitive to light...any word on this?
 
It's best stored away from; Light, heat and moisture.

I have had my stash of tryptamines in the freezer for about half a year without any noticeable loss in potency.
 
i'd hold it in for a while, just to make sure you got it. You wont feel it until you exhale, so i'd give it 10-15 seconds just to be sure.
 
What is purpose of the ashes over and under it?
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over : to prevent the flame from hitting it too hard, thus wasting some material

under : same as the grid, to breath in only the smoke rather than to swallow the material itself that would be sucked in
 
People i'm really loving this info, i wish i had read this before my 5 journey.
unfortunately i was being guided by a friend with tremendous experience with 5meo, but with very little "skillful means" in terms of facilitation and preparation of the person before a 5meo journey

I really wish i had been told how enormously fast and potent and shattering the onset of 5meo is.
I remember after that 2nd long exhalation ... 5 seconds had past and i started to feel a high pitch sound increasing, and every molecule inside and outside suddenly felt like it was about to EXPLODE!

Not being conceptually (or experientially) prepared for this, I immediately panic and thought i was going to DIE or at the very least be damaged permanently! ... i was convinced (it was a reality for me, although now i see it as a belief) that if i allow this energy to continue then i will explode and die, so i pulled back from this rising energy with every ounce of me.
The takeoff didn't happen but my heart was in total shock.
i was put face to face with EGO DEATH in less than 10 seconds ... or more precisely, i was face to face with the death of my Ego core belief: individuated existence

Ego only knows this individuated existence ... it doesn't know or imagine an existence "outside" of our individuated existence. Just like the caterpillar can't imagine becoming a butterfly.

And what i felt with 5meo was that it was empowering my consciousness so that it would burst outside of its Ego buffer and into the other side of individuated existence.
Folks, it was a hell of a journey ... a journey right into the core of the very Ego: its fear of death, and it complete ignorance of rebirth or a "larger" existence outside of individual existence.

By the way, its not like i was "noticing my ego" being panic ... I WAS IT! I was EGO fearing for my Death! uffff!

I can imagine for many people dying in real life, is this how they must feel ... In total panic of their individuated existence coming to an end ... my heart opens to them now. Deep compassion for our brothers and sisters facing death ...

Luckily I am trained in Trauma therapy so I was able to discharge the excess energy in my nervous system so that my heart and body could feel relaxed and safe again, and none of the excess energy would create negative (mental, emotional, or physical) symptoms afterwards.

I am still drawn to this medicine 100%. And will again try it ... I am sure of it.

Anyone else have any other tips or recommendations about journeying with 5meo?

Thank you
 
What about physical effects? I know people say that at break through doses they aren't even aware of their body. What about at lower doses? Usually if I have an anxiety attack on a substance it is usually because my body doesn't right (ie: very fast heart rate, trouble breathing, thinking I'm not breathing if I'm not thinking about it, etc.) Are any of these kind of body effects a concern on break through and/or non-break through doses?
 
Vegan,
Was reading one of your old posts from 2005,
"yeah, i didn't want to say it not to pass for a psychedelics snob, but if you "was actually able to talk to people at the party for the most part.", that was definitely not ego death

LMAO ... fucking hilarious ...
Right on brother, calling a spade a spade!
 
Another question about 5meo for you guys ... in a breakthrough dose is there almost always the feeling that "you" are going to die?
 
^ It does seem to be VERY VERY common. But I think it comes not so much from any discomfort like feeling you had a heart attack, but rather, from a feeling of MONUMENTAL ASTONISHMENT that what you are feeling seems IMPOSSIBLE. Once you calm down your ego's panic "oh no I am dead" alarm and convince yourself you are alive, it is a GREAT feeling.

Smoking is probably too fast to get over it and get to place where you can enjoy it, but oral dosing with the natural MAOI Syrian Rue seed you CAN have the time to OBSERVE THE TRANSITION as well as bask in the "Divine Mind Everywhere" sensation.

Here... see this, from me, from the now quiet "Chasing the experience of death" topic
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=551751

I once became convinced I must be heading for death, doing 5-meo-DMT orally after an mao-inhibitor... here's a report:

NOTE: While I was in the midst of the below process, realizing what seemed to be happening, I momentarily had a little panic, thinking "No fucking way.... this sensation is impossible... this ***IS*** what it feels like to die... I must be dying, nothing else could POSSIBLY feel this astonishing." But fortunately I still had enough wits about me to do a little inventory. Pulse, fine, a tiny bit fast but no more than going up some stairs... blood pressure seemed fine, not popping veins anywhere... sensation every where, fine... respiration fine... I stood and walk a little and back, swung my arms, so movement and balance fine, body even felt a little euphoric in fact...

NOPE, not the slightest bit dead, silly me!

SO, I sat back down and gave in.

The magical mystery tour recipe: 3g ground Syrian Rue seed as an MAOI; after fuzzy feeling developed, 10mg 5-MEO-DMT dissolved in alcohol.

Methodically and gradually over the course of oh 15-20 minutes, everything went from being normal and still and "dead", to being totally ALIVE and whited-out with an overwhelming cosmic energy. Every atom and every stitch of space-time became imbued with a glowing vibrating awareness that was obviously the very ground of being itself.

The feeling/idea my consciousness was somehow being "created" by some mysterious electro-chemical process inside of my skull was revealed as an extreme folly, perhaps the height of human scientific egotism, a fairy tale we tell ourselves... OBVIOUSLY evolution had just worked out a sort of RECIEVER, like a radio, that captured and focused some of this.. this...

This omnipresent and eternal Meta-Awareness that was building and building, buzzing and sparkling all around me... the air, the space between the molecules, the walls, the rocks, the trees, all dissolving into their constituent atoms of "consciousness" that really made them up... not just visual, I *FELT* it, it was me, I was it. Not just light, but BEING, CONSCIOUSNESS ITSELF.

My body and skull became translucent and permeable... "I" leaked out of my skull and melded with this "All Singing, All Dancing" energy and was everyone and everything everywhere for one shining moment that lasted for ever and ever. Thus once was all that was necessary.

And the most astonishing thing about it all, when the transformation was complete, there was one and only one actual "thought" that utterly suffused it all:

Love Love Love

What did it mean? Well as I interpreted the experience - The ultimate truth? All of our awarenesses, as well as the entire physical universe is something happening inside of some One And Only primordial eternal "I", nothing more, nothing less... consciousness created it all. (Just as Alan Watts demonstrates in "The Book") Whoa.

Here's almost exactly what it felt like:

http://www.alexgrey.com/a-gallery/8-24/dying.jpg
dying.jpg
 
Have you tried 5-MeO orally without using an MAOI? I've heard some reports that it works and others that it doesn't. I have enough to experiment with a little, but I'd rather not waste it. I stay away from MAOI at all cost because of the negative side effects and the large list of things you must stay away from after using them; not so much the medications (since I'm on any prescriptions) but the foods you need to avoid.
 
All those restrictions are mainly for "permanent", i.e., long term, MAOI A or A/B inhibitors.

The Harmine & Harmaline in Syrian Rue is a rather mild and forgiving "Short-Term MAO-B inhibitor" that only lasts a couple hours at most. So you dont want to have done any of the restricted things a few hours before and after it... but it is NOT necessary to avoid like, everything, for a full 2 weeks like some sources say. They are referring to people on "Permanent MAO A+B inhibitors" for which the risks are very significantly higher than they are for one modest use of Rue.

So far as oral dosing of 5-meo-dmt without it... it might work, but like you I dont want to waste it.

And even if it did... the really profound effects would probably NOT be present without the MAOI, just a mild buzz, as you get from sublingual use (see below)

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-MeO-DMT "According to the researcher Jonathan Ott, 5-MeO-DMT is active orally with doses over 30 mg without aid of an MAOI."

Sublingual can be a very nice way to do this. Dissolve it in vodka so that 1ml (a single eyedropper full) contains 15mg... hard to make it more concentrated than that. Shake well then squirt 2 droppers under tongue and hold. This will probably trigger salivation, burns a bit, but just go with it... hold it all in for 10minutes, and it will give you about an hour of very spacey mind expansion, light/colors seem brighter, cosmic ideation, etc. Really nice but not overwhelming. Lasts about an hour.
 
pierre2008 said:
Another question about 5meo for you guys ... in a breakthrough dose is there almost always the feeling that "you" are going to die?
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That was my first impression. I remember telling my friend in the faintest, weakest voice audible that I loved him right before I dissolved. If I had to be so audacious to 'put it in a nutshell', its like very, very vivid reality shattering visuals for like 6 seconds and then what to me was basically death for what seemed like a split second and billions of years. And then all of a sudden your thrown back into your body, trippin balls with the most profound euphoria you've ever felt
 
With the sublingual dosing does it work well enough without an MAOI or should it be combined with one like with the oral dosing?
 
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