European MDMA vs. American

[Ringfinger]

I notice some people, particularly experienced users, claiming that new MDMA does not produce the same empathy as it did pre-drought- possibly because of the precursors, new synth methods, etc.

Well, I have experienced MDMA pills in both the US and Europe, and I think there might be something to that. I think the MDMA pills in Europe are stronger, but the ones in the US (the MDMA ones) were better quality (havent had any from there in a couple years.


Let me tell my story:


I first "rolled" as we call it in the states, back in 2006. I took a single red apple pill, and although it wasn't very strong, I felt tremendous feelings of love and empathy. I understood exactly why and how doctors used to consider it a therapeutic drug. I went to bed with a feeling of rebirth. I didn't roll again until 2008 when I got ahold of the Red Spidermans (http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=10702).

Although you needed two to really feel them, they were the cleanest pills i ever had in my life. I cannot explain how fucking ecstatic it made me feel. I could close my eyes and see waterfalls of pleasure flow through my mind. It was pure ecstasy I tell you, the real thing.


That year I moved overseas and had no access to MDMA until the summer of 2009. I got ahold of the white 007s ("007" in one line). One of those pills was stronger than 3 of any American pills i have ever had. I felt the MDMA explode out of my chest, but it was different. Sure, I loved it. Sure, it was real MDMA, but that authentic E feeling was not fully there.

Since then I have tried two batches of crystals from Europe, both tested via testing kit, and that did not yield much empathy either. It felt more chemically and was quite different to pills in general. The second time I just freaked out and overheated a bit (scary). My experience with crystal is limited so i can't say much more about that.


Point is, I think there is a difference that only the chemists can properly explain. Either through the precursors or the methods.

 

[Crack4Lyfe]

This certainly sounds like conclusive proof.

 

[dee_dee]

would you like your mdma made via some beautiful sweet safrole powder?

or would you like your mdma made via some harsh, crude, industrial pesticide or whatever?

Hmmm, i wonder....

 

[missing old pills]

I'm saying fuck all!

 

[dee_dee]

^^^ this is your chat MOP. its when you come into your own, when you stand your ground that is

like most who say similar things, were just all a bit puzzled and confused....

 

[Lazyscience]

technically mdma is mdma nomatter where you are. maybe the are cut with different chemicals in europe and us.

 

[hx_]

would you like your mdma made via some beautiful sweet safrole powder?

or would you like your mdma made via some harsh, crude, industrial pesticide or whatever?

Hmmm, i wonder....

Safrole is a carcinogenic oil not "beautiful sweet ... powder".

Also, not sure where everyone has the idea that no MDMA is made from safrole any more. Most of the stuff I get smells slightly or stinks to high heaven of it, depending on crystal size usually. Break open a big crystal and it stinks.

Just because there was a big bust of saffras oil a few years back doesn't mean that no one uses it for making MDMA any more!

 

[dee_dee]

here we go again....

hey, ive had mdma recentley and ive been enjoying it, so there you go.

there is two distinctive type mdma feels though, and im not talking about mdea or mda.

most people that say this are old skoolers, not people whove only been doing it the last decade or so

 

[Danny Weed]

I would love to have a few grams of American MDMA to sample and compare.

 

[eclipsedesign]

Not another one of these "MDMA isn't as good as it used to be" with wild speculation about new synth methods that they know nothing about but feel free to make claims as if it's gospel.
Either get a better connection or stop whining, the stuff around at the moment seems every bit as good as pre-drought.

 

[missing old pills]

I know, other people know and more importantly the powers that be know

 

[dee_dee]

if your in the uk take a pink diamond, and then another week take a red rockstar and tell me there not both mdma but both feel different.

ones more warm pleasent glow, and one feels more spaced out, like you would imagine a synthetic hallucnigon would feel.

there you go, youve just experienced two different feelings from mdma

the next argument will be, people are reporting faulty batches of the red star, or there cut with other stuff as the presser has a bad past reputation. there all possible, or maybe some people have never experienced mdma that feels like that in a red star before.

its always a possibility isnt it?

 

[Ghostface]

My experience with crystal is limited so i can't say much more about that.

You have said it by yourself, you have limited experience with the pure product and are comparing different batches of pills.

The testing kit does nothing to validate the quality of your mdma, just if it is or not.

Pure mdma is pure mdma. Before we had threads about the chronological differences, now about cross continental....

 

[tragiclemming]

I regularly have both. There is no difference IMO.

 

[dee_dee]

sorry to change the subject for a moment.

in the uk, what is the best home test kit available, in terms of telling you as much detail as possible regarding what a pill or crystal contains. im not definitley getting one, so please dont put me forward to anybody as yet, and defo not yet as im having a rest, but im thinking about it.

cheers

 

[specialspack]

if your in the uk take a pink diamond, and then another week take a red rockstar and tell me there not both mdma but both feel different.

ones more warm pleasent glow, and one feels more spaced out, like you would imagine a synthetic hallucnigon would feel.

there you go, youve just experienced two different feelings from mdma

the next argument will be, people are reporting faulty batches of the red star, or there cut with other stuff as the presser has a bad past reputation. there all possible, or maybe some people have never experienced mdma that feels like that in a red star before.

its always a possibility isnt it?

Or you could take exactly the same MDMA, weeks apart and get different effects. Set and setting, innit?

Plus you have no idea what other things might be in those pills, small amounts of speed, caffeine etc could easily contribute to the differences.

 

[dee_dee]

ive been taking mdma for 23 years. nothing to do with set and setting when it comes to the difference between the way mdma can feel imo for me personally. sorry.

you have a trippy synthetic feeling mdma (this is the one that makes music sound crystal clear etc etc and ive experienced this with one or two of the different crystals ive tried recentley also) and u have a more loved up glowy mdma. take the pink diamonds and see if theres much visual or auditory disortian or change, theres fuck all nothing like that going on apart from u just feel nice and pleasent (and ive experienced that with one or two crystals ive tried as well recentley)

 

[Ringfinger]

Not another one of these "MDMA isn't as good as it used to be" with wild speculation about new synth methods that they know nothing about but feel free to make claims as if it's gospel.
Either get a better connection or stop whining, the stuff around at the moment seems every bit as good as pre-drought.

Looks like you're the only one who is whining. I'm just sharing an observation.

 

[ecsplosiv]

This certainly sounds like conclusive proof.

haha quality! this.

if your in the uk take a pink diamond, and then another week take a red rockstar and tell me there not both mdma but both feel different.

ones more warm pleasent glow, and one feels more spaced out, like you would imagine a synthetic hallucnigon would feel.

there you go, youve just experienced two different feelings from mdma

the next argument will be, people are reporting faulty batches of the red star, or there cut with other stuff as the presser has a bad past reputation. there all possible, or maybe some people have never experienced mdma that feels like that in a red star before.

its always a possibility isnt it?

man it sounds a bit ridiculous how you are comparing those pills, if you had taken both 10 times and still felt there was a difference, then fine. But to take them both once and make such comparisons is not on. The effects of the same batch of MDMA or pill could vary wildly based on set and setting, more so when it sounds like you are not taking much of a break between

 

[Ringfinger]

You have said it by yourself, you have limited experience with the pure product and are comparing different batches of pills.

The testing kit does nothing to validate the quality of your mdma, just if it is or not.

Pure mdma is pure mdma. Before we had threads about the chronological differences, now about cross continental....

Most people would argue that MDMA pills feel different than MDMA crystal.