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What drug is most likely to cause psychosis or catalyze hiddent mental issues

MXE sends me a clear message that it means business in the head wrecking department. It is like Turboketamine with a pinch of Datura. I wouldnt mess with it too much! 8o

One to respect, it is quite the delusional ride.

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I have to agree, I wasn't right for weeks after diving into that one. Scared the soul out of me :-)
 
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Ismene said:
Source that schizophrenia rates have remained constant for the last 100 years? It's pretty much common knowledge. In fact I think if anything the rates have been decreasing rather than increasing. I think the last study into cannabis by the ACMD used this to refute the claims that cannabis caused schizophrenia.
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Strains are being bred more and more to contain more THC and less CBD, and if i remember correctly CBD may have anti-psychotic affects.

I don't necassarily believe cannabis can cause schizophrenia but when so many people that have showed no signs of mental illness previous to cannabis use suddely go nuts (and some times schizophrenic) I wouldn't rule it out. Alot of people will say "they must have had an underlying mental illness" but how could you prove that to be the case for all cases? Also, it may be true they had a predisposition to becoming mentally ill but they may never have actually developed a mental illness if they didn't smoke cannabis.
 
rickolasnice said:
Strains are being bred more and more to contain more THC and less CBD, and if i remember correctly CBD may have anti-psychotic affects.

I don't necassarily believe cannabis can cause schizophrenia but when so many people that have showed no signs of mental illness previous to cannabis use suddely go nuts (and some times schizophrenic) I wouldn't rule it out. Alot of people will say "they must have had an underlying mental illness" but how could you prove that to be the case for all cases? Also, it may be true they had a predisposition to becoming mentally ill but they may never have actually developed a mental illness if they didn't smoke cannabis.
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I agree. Though cannabis isn't anywhere close to as dangerous as most people make it out to be, it certainly isn't harmless either. It could just as easily mess you up mentally like all other drugs.
 
Crack, cocaine, meth, and heroin tend to bring out the addict in most people, and that is very much a mental and sometimes physical issue.

As far as psychedelics, the mind is very capable of piecing itself back together even when its been broken into a million little pieces.

I think that in some people, the risk of PTSD could be higher. Psychedelic drugs in their very nature tend to remove many of the filters that allow us to function on a social level without being overwhelmed with sensory imput and emotion.

In a way it can be looked at being similar to some forms of autism where the individual can be completely overwhelmed by their environment to a point of being nonfunctional.

PTSD is simply these kinds of powerful emotional experiences leaving a lasting mark on a person's psychology. I think this sort of experience can work in both directions, powerfully traumatic emotional experiences can leave a negative mark while a powerfully beautiful emotional/spiritual experience that leaves you crying from the sheer beauty of it all can bring tears to your eyes when you remember it or talk about it with others.

Its the same kind of thing just taken in a different direction, but the point is that whenever you consume powerful drugs of this nature, there is usually at least some kind of mark left on your psychology from it. For most people, and most psychedelics this mark is usually considered a positive one. A lot of the changes psychedelics bring about are pretty optional, you trip and gather these new ideas and then when your back to normal if you feel that these ideas were positive and will help you then work on integrating them into your life.

I have only seen a couple people "break" on psychedelics and they were fine in the morning. If your the type to worry about these sorts of things, crushing up a mg or two of xanax and throwing it in a shot of vodka would probably have you chilled out or passed out quickly.
 
To SaywhatHEH.... what did you mean by HPPD?...or anybody else that can answer. I am a little slow...lol.
 
People suffering from schizophrenia and other psychosis often experience onset of symptoms during late adolescence and early adult-hood. This happens to be when people also do most of their drug experimentation. Because of this it is hard to distinguish between causation and correlation. Someone may go crazy after a psychedelic experience, and it may have nothing to do with it. Then again, I've certainly felt that strong, particularly disturbing psychedelic experiences can have long term mental consequences, but I think you will find that to be true about any intense emotional experience, and life is fucking full of those. Personally, I think mushrooms are rather risky because they can be so emotional and unpredictable. A bad mushroom trip can put you in a very dark place. That said, I don't regret my bad trips, and mostly I feel that I am more aware and pragmatic because of them.
 
spiral71 said:
To SaywhatHEH.... what did you mean by HPPD?...or anybody else that can answer. I am a little slow...lol.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder

first result when googled.

try a little harder, instead of waiting for someone to tell you what something is, a 4 letter search through google, 1 mouse click and you could have had your answer and i wouldn't have had to do it for you.

With the search as you type, you might only need 3 letters.

I guess what im trying to get at is that it would have been easier to search google with hppd than typing your post asking for someone to explain it.
 
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HPPD is hallucinogenic persisting perception disorder, and it certainly cant be contracted without the use of hallucinogenics
 
i say stimulants and ssri's ESSPECIALLY for young children. From reading The Bipolar Child it was determined that a vast percentage of child bipolar patients were treated with stims after misdiagnosis with adhd. symptoms become ultracyclic. also ssri's induce mania for bpd individuals who are misdiagnosed with depression.
 
rickolasnice said:
Also, it may be true they had a predisposition to becoming mentally ill but they may never have actually developed a mental illness if they didn't smoke cannabis.
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But if that was true the schizophrenia rates would have exploded through the roof. Seeing as nex to no-one in the UK was smoking cannabis 100 years ago and countless millions are today - the schizophrenia rate should have increased.
 
jamaica0535 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder

first result when googled.

try a little harder, instead of waiting for someone to tell you what something is, a 4 letter search through google, 1 mouse click and you could have had your answer and i wouldn't have had to do it for you.

With the search as you type, you might only need 3 letters.

I guess what im trying to get at is that it would have been easier to search google with hppd than typing your post asking for someone to explain it.
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Finally someone who agrees with me. It really bugs me how everyone seems to coddle the twits who come here and ask the most basic and simple questions over and over and over again. Did these people never hear of Google or think of typing a question into a search engine. Duh! No wonder the economy is so lousy... the younger generation have been conditioned by TV and movies to be pleasure addicted lazy slobs who expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. They need to be smacked across the face with a rubber chicken, haha!

Then again that's been said to be true of every "younger generation" by the older generation since time began <he said, stroking his long scraggly grey beard>
 
Psychedelics seem more likely to aggravate mood disorders -- bipolar disorder, melancholic depression, generalized and social anxiety -- than psychoses, the latter consisting of hallucinations and delusions. Schizophrenia, pharmacologically, is a totally different animal than LSD intoxication. It's similar to stimulant psychosis, but not really.

HPPD is like a light show that happens when you look at boring things like blank walls and the night sky. It's the common cold of mental disorders.
 
Ismene said:
But if that was true the schizophrenia rates would have exploded through the roof. Seeing as nex to no-one in the UK was smoking cannabis 100 years ago and countless millions are today - the schizophrenia rate should have increased.
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True, maybe. But something could have also caused a decline in schizophrenia (such as easier life styles? better education? something in the food? the mass medication of people using SSRI's and the like? i dunno..) as cannabis rates increased it.. causing a leveling out affect..
 
Would be one hell of a coincidence if this postulated anti-schizophrenia thing or things just happened to precisely balance the supposed increase in risk from smoking cannabis. And how come all these beneficial lifestyle changes don't also affect cannabis smokers? Or do they but cannabis is more powerful and overrides them? Sounds highly unlikely and kinda desperately trying to justify an opinion with a rather shaky hypothesis with zero evidence behind it, to be honest. Makes far more sense that there simply is no link between schizophrenia and cannabis beyond the fact that it's fairly widely accepted that people with mental health disorders tend to be more likely to use drugs than those who don't have mental health issues (on average). Correlation =/= causation.
 
Personally I think schizophrenia has a genetic basis. The idea that you can "cause" it with anything is complete shit. Sure there'll always be coincidences so people can say "Well, my son smoked cannabis and then he developed schizophrenia" but you could also claim "Well your son went to school and then he developed schizophrenia so going to school causes schizophrenia".
 
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