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So who likes benzos? El Benzo Threado Spectacularrrr 2nd Edition

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^ There is variation between tablets; how they are formulated can have an effect on their bioavailability.

If the difference is great enough that it is affecting a patient's legitimate treatment then that is a concern.

And not everyone here are kiddies.
 
SNRI's can help with anxiety. My girlfriend is on escitalopram, which helps immensely. EDIT: Which I might add is an SSRI.
 
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muntedmunter said:
I've been role playing for my visit to the Doctor next week, taken me over 3 months to get the balls to book it...
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LOL. maybe you should of roleplayed your conversation for your doctor for 6 months instead of 3. Might of been able to tune your acting enough not to be prescribed an SNRI.

haha. sorry, I couldn't resist:p

btw, I fucking hate SNRIs. effexor, the only one I have tried has the most horrid side effects ever. SSRIs are better IMO
 
psytaco, SSRI's are only good at improving depression in patients with low serotonin levels.

As for anxiety, they're purely placebo effect. I don't care what CMI leaflet says brother.
 
^ They can help anxiety. Not everyone reacts the same to the same medication; for some SSRIs/SNRIs will work, for others they won't.

muntedmunter, if you are actually in need of treatment for anxiety then give it a shot. It may help you out.

But if you were just doctor shopping instead, which I suspect you were... :D lol
 
psytaco said:
LOL. maybe you should of roleplayed your conversation for your doctor for 6 months instead of 3. Might of been able to tune your acting enough not to be prescribed an SNRI.

haha. sorry, I couldn't resist:p

btw, I fucking hate SNRIs. effexor, the only one I have tried has the most horrid side effects ever. SSRIs are better IMO
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Hahaha

pretty funny, I have to go back in 2 weeks anyway so I'll say they didn't do shit and my panic attacks are worse then ever... :p

I didn't even like them, I couldn't get sleep, makes my teeth jitter, makes me feel wierd etc.

Isn't as easy as people make it out to be, ohh well.

I'm in melb too btw %)
 
^ Consider giving it a little longer (unless the negative side effects aren't bearable - keep a written record of them ;) ). With most antidepressants of that class you need to be taking them for several weeks before you'll really notice any beneficial effects in terms of anxiety or depression. Those first few weeks aren't fun :(

I'd wager if your dr was quick to write out a script for pristiq he/she will want to keep you on it for long enough to guage whether it will be of any help before pulling you off it.
 
muntedmonster: so do you actually have anxiety or are you just wanting to get your hands on some benzos?

If you don't have anxiety, SNRI/SSRIs have no recreational value. All you'll get is side effects - particularly the first could of weeks.
 
psytaco said:
LOL. maybe you should of roleplayed your conversation for your doctor for 6 months instead of 3. Might of been able to tune your acting enough not to be prescribed an SNRI.

haha. sorry, I couldn't resist:p

btw, I fucking hate SNRIs. effexor, the only one I have tried has the most horrid side effects ever. SSRIs are better IMO
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This really made me LOL! Haha

I find most people who seek benzo's, whether it is for fun or recreation, tend to suffer from anxiety in one way or another. A lot of people tend to write so called 'doctor shoppers' off as people just looking for a high, but this isn't always the case, a lot of the reason that most doctor shoppers enjoy benzos is because they DO suffer from anxiety.

Muntedmunter if you suffer from anxiety and benzo's are all that really help then stick with it and you will get what you need eventually. Unfortunately doctors have a way of trying to push bullshit like SNRI's on you, but if you are persistent they can only give you so much crap before giving you what works.

Don't spend months roleplaying for doctors appointments, just go in there and be honest about what you want, but still willing to hear what the doctor has to say and try his suggestions too. Being willing to listen to the doctor and try some shit you might not have much confidence in can go a long way in showing you genuiney suffer from anxiety, as opposed to just being a drug seeker.
 
I don't have serious anxiety, probably just mild so I don't necessarily need xanax or valium but I would like to have some.

And yes, I would also most definitely use it recreational. :)

I have an appointment again in around 10 days for feedback on the current prescription, so I will let the doc know how bad they are and see if he can offer anything else.
 
Mr. Squiggle! said:
psytaco, SSRI's are only good at improving depression in patients with low serotonin levels.

As for anxiety, they're purely placebo effect. I don't care what CMI leaflet says brother.
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The whole low serotonin and depression thing I'm not so sure about. Think it's more complex than that. Can't believe how easy it is to get SSRI's, they definitely help some people out but just having a guess there'd be heaps of people that don't need them and end up going on them for extended periods of time. Some people do find their anxiety is manageable while they're on certain antidepressants.

Some of the studies show that a lot of the more popular antidepressants aren't all that much better than placebo. Not saying they don't have their place and I know they've improved some peoples lives massively...just don't get why they are so popular. Anyone can go to a GP, mention off hand that they're depressed and will probably get thrown some SSRI...which kind of explains it I guess.

We need some better anxiety and antidepressant meds, or maybe a different approach :\
 
Christ! said:
The whole low serotonin and depression thing I'm not so sure about. Think it's more complex than that. Can't believe how easy it is to get SSRI's, they definitely help some people out but just having a guess there'd be heaps of people that don't need them and end up going on them for extended periods of time. Some people do find their anxiety is manageable while they're on certain antidepressants.

Some of the studies show that a lot of the more popular antidepressants aren't all that much better than placebo. Not saying they don't have their place and I know they've improved some peoples lives massively...just don't get why they are so popular. Anyone can go to a GP, mention off hand that they're depressed and will probably get thrown some SSRI...which kind of explains it I guess.

We need some better anxiety and antidepressant meds, or maybe a different approach :\
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there is a strong comorbidity between anxiety and depression (ie. people with one disorder will also have the other). if I remember right it is around 60% of people who suffer one will suffer the other. This could be the result of many things, but many psychologists believe that it could be because of similiar neuropathology occuring in the brain, which leads to symptoms of both. hence, why SSRIs are often used for people with anxiety problems.

I personally have found them (zoloft) to be very good for depression, but to a lesser extent anxiety. Initially, it increased anxiety and pushed me towards mania. I'm all good now. and started to taper slowly 2 days ago. feel fine.:)

I agree that SSRIs are overprescribed. but in terms of depression at least, they are the best medicine available. for anxiety, benzos maybe be better, but doctors are well aware of their addictivness and abuse potential. Many doctors are not so well aware of the drawbacks of SSRIs or the difficulty in stopping them. however, they cannot be abused in the way benzos can and present a 'safer' option for treating people with anxiety.

Also, I have read that big study that showed that antidepressants aren't as effective as previously thought for depression. Depression is complex and not always down to serotonin, or even any neurological imbalance. there is still alot to learn about it, and even alot to learn about exactly SSRIs work.
 
Yeah you're right psytaco they are the best meds we've got at the moment.

Should mention that the benefits of antidepressants over placebo have been shown to be statistically significant...the media hype of 'SSRI's no better than sugar pills' I don't buy into.

There's all sorts of problems trying to assess psychiatric meds...how good are those rating scales and interviews that patients do in these studies? How much do side effects influence things, in favour or against SSRI's being effective? How much does publication bias influence things?

I wonder if the drug companies would even want to get a very effective med out there if they're making so much off the many different SSRI-like drugs. Kind of like the oil companies buying up new technology that threatens their business and then burying it...*shrug* I'm not really sure and this thread is about benzos so I won't go into it.
 
For anxiety by itself, Pregabalin is by far the best drug I have ever tried for it. Seems to relax you at the very core and center of where the anxiety comes from. I some how feels like my soul is "chill" on it. Unlike benzos which seem barely to effect my anxiety but just distract from it.
 
Christ! said:
There's all sorts of problems trying to assess psychiatric meds...how good are those rating scales and interviews that patients do in these studies? How much do side effects influence things, in favour or against SSRI's being effective? How much does publication bias influence things?

I wonder if the drug companies would even want to get a very effective med out there if they're making so much off the many different SSRI-like drugs. Kind of like the oil companies buying up new technology that threatens their business and then burying it...*shrug* I'm not really sure and this thread is about benzos so I won't go into it.
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Sorry if this is too off-topic for this thread, mods, but I thought this was a great point of discussion that I really want to address.

Regarding the comparison between oil companies burying technology and pharmaceutical companies hiding very effective drugs...

I think it would be in a pharmaceutical company's best interests to come up with an even more efficient drug for treating depression. All the still patented antidepressants on the market are going to have their patents expire at some point; maybe some can have their active-or-more-potent enantiomers patented but either new drugs of the same class will have to be invented, or a completely different type of drug will have to be developed if the pharmaceutical companies want another patented drug that can make them big dollars.

Given how many scripts are written for depression each year, a new drug that is even more efficient then others has the potential to be a block buster. There will never be a cure-all for the disease, but we can make better and better treatments.

Besides, I want to perhaps own my pharmaceutical company one day so I try not to be too cynical about them. :)
 
Halcion 0.125mg Tablets

Who's tried them?

What are your thoughts on this tablet? Considering that they're relatively cheap, and they're Schedule 4, aren't they?
 
muntedmunter said:
I don't have serious anxiety, probably just mild so I don't necessarily need xanax or valium but I would like to have some.

And yes, I would also most definitely use it recreational. :)

I have an appointment again in around 10 days for feedback on the current prescription, so I will let the doc know how bad they are and see if he can offer anything else.
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Someone doesn't need to have 'severe' anxiety to get good use from benzo's. Nobody NEEDS benzos, except current benzo addicts, but since when is the only excuse to take something because you need it.

I used to think I was using bezodiazepines recreationally when I would pop a couple and go about my day and feel ace. Nowadays I draw less of a distinction between recreational and tehrapeutic in this sense, YES I feel good as a result of taking drugs but really the only reason I feel good is because it has therapeutically relieved my negative sumptoms.

I feel too often when someone enjoys their medication in any way shape or form, somebody decides that they must not be using it what its used for, or don't have the symptoms the yclaim. To me this is just BS, it makes much more sense someone suffering from anxiety will enjoy their anxiety meds.
 
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