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Cocodamol - The drug of the credit crunch? plus other codeine/dihydrocodeine queries

DHC still gives me a good old vomit, but only the day after. Oh, and methadone can make me puke like a trooper at the 'right' dose.
 
I've always found codeine and booze to be a very sickly mix: opiates and alcohol just don't combine that well, in my experience, and a recreational dose of codeine on booze is guaranteed to make me vomit. I'm also pretty sure you can't get the full benefits of most opiates with alcohol in your system - apparently, in the old Far Eastern opium dens, it was considered a waste to smoke after drinking. Throwing up from a mix of booze and opis is NOT like an easy throw-up from opis alone, which can almost be pleasant: it's a gut-wrenching, full-body-sickness feeling that lasts until I sleep it off.

The only opiods I've found that go well with a drink have been American synthetics - hydrocodone (vicodin), and, to a lesser extent, Oxycodone. Problem is that vicodin's a mix of hydro and paracetamol, so drinking on it's bad for the liver: and, of course, we can't get vics here anyway. I never had a chance to CWE them, because my ex-gf, who had a 'script, didn't approve of such 'drug geekery', and because the hydro's so low dose (these were 5mgs hydro/500 paracetamol), in the pills, I thought it would be all-too-easy to lose most of the goods while filtering. I've never had more than 30mgs at a time (roughly equals 180mgs of codeine), but found that dose far more euphoric than say 300mgs of codeine - I'd love to have enough Vics to CWE them and try a high dose, say around 100mgs.

Now my tolerance is too high to bother CWE'ing what we can get over the counter in Blighty - it takes two 32-pill packs of extracted paramol for a decent buzz, and even then, I need to potentiate, front and back, with diphenhydramine and promethazine to get anything approaching a nod, making it ridiculously expensive, and not remotely worth the risk of liver damage - some APAP always gets through, and the more pills you extract, the greater the danger. I wish I had a source of DF118s, but morphine's much easier to get hold of.

Back on-topic, has anyone tried CWE'ing Solpadeine migraine? They're not cheap, but they seem to filter very well, producing an almost completely clear solution, and contain something like 12.5mgs of codeine a tablet.

I'm dreaming of an English version of 'Sizzurp' - find some old-fashioned codeine linctus, throw in some oramorph to add strength, and maybe add a couple of sweets and some sprite for flavour. Chase with promethazine and relax.

Sorry for the long post - I'm on MSTs and trams, and they make me sorta chatty. Especially when there's work to be avoided.
 
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Wherewolf - one word: oxycontin.

Seriously, fuck the MSTs, CWEs and DFs, especially if your tolerance is so high as to require two packs of Paramol. You're doubling the risk to your liver there, and oxys would ultimately be more cost-effective both health-wise and financially.
 
You can do a CWE that is so clear that you can see particles of paracetamol, should they drop in. In that scenario, you wouldn't even be close to ingesting an active dose, let alone a lethal one.
 
Treacle said:
You can do a CWE that is so clear that you can see particles of paracetamol, should they drop in. In that scenario, you wouldn't even be close to ingesting an active dose, let alone a lethal one.
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True; an effective CWE can be pretty harmless. I think, however, that if somebody's performing a CWE on 64 Paramol tablets then they should probably move on from CWEs.

Put it this way; you can run across a dual carriageway every day of your life and not get close to being run over, but if there's a footbridge then why bother?
 
^^ Agreed, Treac. Make a point of sticking to the C part of the CWE and it comes out crystal clear with any rogue paracetamol particles clearly visible as Treac says.

In related news, had a solid block of paracetamol that had dried out in me straining T-shirt t'other day. Dropped it into a pan of water sat in the sink a coupla days ago and is still just as solid a lump. Stuff really is impossible to dissolve in water that is actually cold so almost zero chance of getting anything unwanted in your solution really.

Also, I should probably get around to doing the washing up but am kinda intrigued as to how warm the flat would have to get to warm the panwater enough to dissolve that brick of paracetamol in now.

PS: I also agree that 64 Paramols is a bit much - not cos of the paracetamol so much as the fuck about and expense.

PPS: Oxycontin is a pretty expensive footbridge, Samhain :D
 
Imagine it would be :D

Was looking into it recently but so pricey unless you buy a metric fucktonne. Always did quite fancy it if only to see what all the fuss is about and with such low tolerance these days it becomes (almost) feasible to dabble maybe. If/when finances ever perk up it's a flag I will definitely be capturing. Along with shitloads of other pharms too to justify the shipping costs - fuckin' outrageous otherwise 8o
 
SamhainGrim said:
Put it this way; you can run across a dual carriageway every day of your life and not get close to being run over, but if there's a footbridge then why bother?
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Love the analogy =D

Thats exactly why I tracked down a source for straight codeine/DHC and some oxy for the occasional treat.

Sometimes I was CWEing 64 paramol without a noticeable effect.

Perhaps my technique was off and I wasn't getting a full yield. But you would of thought after daily practise for several months, my technique would have been spot on.
 
Aye, I'm treating oxy with a bit more caution compared to the attitude I've displayed towards codeine/DHC.

At the moment the highest dose I've had is approximately 25-30mg (damn 0C 80s don't split very well) and have so far kept use to once a week.

For some reason I'm a bit more wary of oxycodone, perhaps due to the Oxycodone Express documentary I watched? But to me it seems like a 'proper' opiate in comparison to codeine and demands more respect.

Codeine seems like a mickey mouse opiate and you can't really get into much bother with it, I've got the impression oxy is slightly different.
 
for splitting oxy just suck on them to get them wet, then use kitchen roll to wipe off the coating, cut in half or more with scissors or knife then put in a takeaway menu and roll over it with a glass bottle, seeeemples. then crush finer with a card as you would with mdma/k etc, works like a charm :)

aye keep an eye on use, this is proper opiate county hehe
 
Evad, our techniques are more or less identical.

Except I out-skank you by rubbing the coating off on my trackie top and outclass you by crushing in foil. I wouldn't let Mario Pizza's list of crimes against gastronomy anywhere near my oxy. :)
 
Chemical Samile said:
Its a fucking lovely county to pop into every once in a while :D
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Lovely county but best not to make it home cos the locals can get somewhat tetchy sometimes. Have a habit of leaving you cold if you don't look after their turkeys properly too. Odd custom they have there in Opiate County but when in Rome... I stick to a holiday home these days. And am due a bit of a break soon :D
 
Vey wise words Shammy, and even nicerly put :D

I have no intentions of buying a house in opiate county, or even renting a place, but the odd weekend getaway helps relax and unwind from the daily grind that is life. The occasional getaway is (perhaps) good for the soul.
 
I tend to agree, CS. Can honestly say opiates taught me some lessons that psyches never could've done. Tis a bit of a harsh teacher compared to the sparkly stuff though. And the curriculum is somewhat limited. Opiates aren't half as soulless as most would think, in my opinion. Opium itself especially. Opium + psyche of choice (ketamine is especially good friends) is made of pure win <3
 
Still yet to try opium, y'know.

Smack at the tail-end of an acid trip was a favourite of mine. The Arthur Lee cocktail. Love indeed.
 
I find opiates go great with psyches in general. Don't think I ever took acid whilst on heroin but barely used anything else (except rocks) when I was on the scag anyway. Other drugs cost money that fits far better in a syringe...

Opium is a real gem with psyches - unbelievably lush synergy it has with all of 'em it seems. Can't get it at the moment but was some lovely opiyum around last year. Shame it's so damn rare but well worth acquiring if it ever crosses your path. Not sure how it would work out with any existing tolerance though - it's pretty "weak" compared to the bigger boys but has a totally unique feel to it that I've never come across in any derivative yet. So warm and dreamy it's hard not to love. Never gotten around to pod tea which I imagine would be pretty similar maybe?
 
I've done and enjoyed pod tea, and you're right that in theory they shouldn't be that different. Nothing matches the feeling you get from a good smoke for me though, so I'm insanely jealous of anyone who has access to it.

And tolerance, I'm pleased to say, is currently nearing that of a newborn baby. So opium would be just luvverly.
 
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