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Alcoholism Thread v. A sober life is a good life <3

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take 3-5 mg of melatonin , also you should look into ZMA (zinc magnesium , in case you do not know) . It will help w/any tremors. Magnesium is huge like that. When I've detoxed from opiates , whatever hundredth time , i take magnesium to the max for the restless legs ... it does help if you build it up in your bblood. gl n3o.
 
Thanks man <3
I've been taking a Ca/Mg supplement for a couple of years so I should be okay in that department. I'm a bit hesitant to take heaps of melatonin because I've never had it before and I have to work in the morning. So I just wanted to start with a low dose to see if/how groggy it makes me feel in the morning ;) Tomorrow night I'll up the dose and see how it goes.
 
3mg is recommended dose for females , males 5 mg. spent 3 year working at a vitamin world back in the day, and i have a random interest for how we tick hormonally to the minerals that compose bones. I may be hypo, but i promise you my logic is sound. we release roughly 1-2 mg of melatonin under the perfect sleep scenario (45 minute slowly dimming of light with no sudden movements or stirs).

that being said I've seen people swear 1mg works, so play it safe I just am stating that as an overpowering act for the need of sleep, 3mg would be the min needed. And melatonin is more apt to give you crazy ass dreams then to leave you groggy. It can do the latter though, so you have a choice - it's yours, just stating you facts. good luck man, im always 2 sips away from being an alcoholic.
 
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^^ Yeah man that's a bit of a tricky situation to be in. You're clean from opiates but you're still chasing some kind of escape through substance use. Do you go to any drug counselling/therapy??


I am so very pleased and proud that I've gotten through today without a drop of alcohol. First day in I don't even know how long. I'm about to try melatonin for the first time to help me sleep, fingers crossed it helps because I've hardly slept at all this week. I'm not going to drink tomorrow either. I absolutely refuse to give in.
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Congrats on your 'clean' day. hope todays going well for you. ODAT. Melatonin has helped me sleep in the past.

Counselling is a tricky situation since I get bupe thru VA health care. I've had a lot in the past and all they want to do is drug you with Anti-dep. If you tell them your drinking... [more than 1-2 beers] they will cut you off both bupe and benzos. I have PTSD so I need the benzo and the alcohol helps with appetite and irritability. It doesn't feel like too bad a problem since I get thru most of day without and drink for a couple of hrs and eat... then no more.

Probably fooling myself. If I wasn't such a 'tightwad'... I'd get private counselling.
 
good job and stay strong n30.

diphenhydramine is very effective for putting me to sleep. in the states it goes by benydryl and unisom. one is pretty mild but puts me to sleep with no grogynes. two knocks me out hard but leaves me in a bit of a morning fog.
 
Thank you Mehm <3 :)

SubDude said:
Congrats on your 'clean' day. hope todays going well for you. ODAT. Melatonin has helped me sleep in the past.

Counselling is a tricky situation since I get bupe thru VA health care. I've had a lot in the past and all they want to do is drug you with Anti-dep. If you tell them your drinking... [more than 1-2 beers] they will cut you off both bupe and benzos. I have PTSD so I need the benzo and the alcohol helps with appetite and irritability. It doesn't feel like too bad a problem since I get thru most of day without and drink for a couple of hrs and eat... then no more.

Probably fooling myself. If I wasn't such a 'tightwad'... I'd get private counselling.
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Yeah that is tricky SubDude. It sounds like your drinking is reasonably under control but as I'm sure you're extremely aware, it can slip out of control so very easily. Just be careful <3

theartofwar said:
I may be hypo, but i promise you my logic is sound.
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I would never quesiton your logic taow! Thank you very much for your input re: melatonin. I can report that I didn't feel groggy this morning, so I'll be happy to have 3mg tonight :)
And my god it was so nice to not be hungover this morning %)

The interesting thing I found with using the melatonin as a sleep aid, as opposed to the usual herbal sleeping preparations that I've been using, is that it didn't do ANYTHING for my night-time anxiety. In fact it kinda made it worse! I kept drifting off to sleep but then I'd hear a noise and bolt right back awake immediately. I had to sleep with the light on because I was so paranoid. This is pretty usual for me at night whenever my partner is away for work, regardless of whether I've been drinking or not (and obviously because I hadn't had any alcohol last night my anxiety was a lot worse). But herbal stuff e.g. valerian root extract usually help with that anxiety and paranoia. Melatonin didn't. Not that I expected it to, really.

So I didn't actually get a great nights sleep but I will try a slightly larger dose of melatonin tonight, coupled with some chamomile tea beforehand for the anxiety, and see how that goes.
 
n3ophy7e said:
Thank you Mehm <3 :)


Yeah that is tricky SubDude. It sounds like your drinking is reasonably under control but as I'm sure you're extremely aware, it can slip out of control so very easily. Just be careful <3


I would never quesiton your logic taow! Thank you very much for your input re: melatonin. I can report that I didn't feel groggy this morning, so I'll be happy to have 3mg tonight :)
And my god it was so nice to not be hungover this morning %)

The interesting thing I found with using the melatonin as a sleep aid, as opposed to the usual herbal sleeping preparations that I've been using, is that it didn't do ANYTHING for my night-time anxiety. In fact it kinda made it worse! I kept drifting off to sleep but then I'd hear a noise and bolt right back awake immediately. I had to sleep with the light on because I was so paranoid. This is pretty usual for me at night whenever my partner is away for work, regardless of whether I've been drinking or not (and obviously because I hadn't had any alcohol last night my anxiety was a lot worse). But herbal stuff e.g. valerian root extract usually help with that anxiety and paranoia. Melatonin didn't. Not that I expected it to, really.

So I didn't actually get a great nights sleep but I will try a slightly larger dose of melatonin tonight, coupled with some chamomile tea beforehand for the anxiety, and see how that goes.
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I have a blend with chamomile , called sleepy time tea. Its got this family of bears on it in pj's all slumbering LOL , cracks me up whenever I looked at it =D.

Glad to hear you weren't groggy, their is no reason for melatonin to make you groggy, it will make you hungry and yes due to the fact it is putting you in a tired state any mental things (anxiety) can be amplified. That being said the stuff does work !!
Good for you man though, no hangover, second day done. Proud of you dude %) :D. I'm about to try to sleep, I've been woken up twice :( i dunno who wakes you up on the 20th of the month knowing full well you have been up 60+ hours and are in horrid pain to ask, and i quote, "what are your plans for this month" - I'm beginning to wonder if people are actually this naive or if im just sleep dep tripping my balls off !!! LoL . Ugh. TWO TIMES. wowow. End rant. :). <3
 
I'm still doing well without the booze, I had one slip up on new years eve but I'm not beating myself up over it. Havent had a drop since and thats all Ive had in the last 3 months or so. I'm starting to feel alot better physically. The alcohol was really putting a hurting on my stomach after drinking everyday pretty much the last few years. I still get pretty bad cravings for it from time to time, but I have a couple of relaxation techniques that help me work through it. My mood is so much more stable now. I'm still dealing with some paws symptoms from giving up heroin and benzo's a few months ago, but I know it will pass in time.

Things seem to be on the up and up, when I view it in this light. :)
 
I havent posted here in forever.

There once was a time where i would get drunk alone and read this thread. Half a liter of vodka a night was my poison. I use to be so depressed, I'd use the excuse that i needed it to sleep. I use to hide it from my roommates at school lie to my friends about whether i drank the night before, sneak a bottle in my parents house so i can get a 6 pack and have 2 beers openly but be getting ripped off vodka just so they wouldnt worry.

I have been sober for 8 months. It happened so suddenly and without reason. I thought it was something else but I was lonely looking for love just didnt know it. I met a girl back in april. I was literally killing myself with alcohol we were both train wrecks on the verge of death when we met. Our problems the same, caring people in a world that only wants what it wants and will suck the life out of you if you arent heartless. We were both so use to being used in our own ways. My drinking wasn't a concern of hers until we fell in love and i got so drunk i was sick for over 24 hours unable to eat or drink anything i must have almost killed myself with alcohol poisoning that night. She had such love and concern for me in her eyes that i could no longer kill myself slowly with alcohol. She was so worried for me for the first time someone wasnt cheering my suicide on.

She also had a slight benzo habit but a similar situation with the roles reversed provoked her to quit those. I never thought i was addicted to alcohol even after 2 years of drinking nightly till i was very intoxicated didnt do it, i was able to have a beer with my brother when he came back from basic training no issues. It wasnt until recently that i realized what it really was. My girlfriend's friend made a cake with alcohol and we were eating some of it, you could barely taste it. Then i got one that was too strong like a shot of hard liquor. The way it burned brought back so many memories. It wasnt the alcohol i was getting it was the pain it was my form of cutting myself and someone gave me a knife and said "just do it once, for old times sake." It wasnt a relapse but it was scary to think how much i still enjoyed that feeling. It plagued my thoughts all night right after that i stopped eating the cake and we threw the rest away.

I dont think ill ever be able to drink hard liquor again. It was so weird to have that come back after 8 months of complete sobriety. I didnt get drunk or anything it was just the burn it brought it all back and in that instant i wanted to get more. Its terrifying to me. Like i said im completely capable of the one glass of wine or the single beer thats not even tempting, its the pain from a time since passed that almost came back.

I still have no true desire to drink since i found her. Its nice to wake up in the morning and love my life. Its great to think that my liver isnt dying and i lost all the weight from drinking already. I just wanted to say there is hope and it can happen in an instant and in that same time frame you can make the decision that ends your sobriety. I wish you all the best of luck i never thought id be able to stop but here i am 8 months without catching a buzz.
 
theartofwar said:
I have a blend with chamomile , called sleepy time tea. Its got this family of bears on it in pj's all slumbering LOL , cracks me up whenever I looked at it =D.
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That's the one I have too!! :D <3


Charlie and szuko, it is so great to hear you're both doing so well, thanks for checking in <3


Another evening without alcohol for me. I cannot even remember the last time I didn't get drunk on a Friday night. It's 7pm and although I would KILL to be sucking on a beer or some red wine (and in fact I keep subconsciously looking around for my glass 8)) the worst of the cravings are over and I'm about to watch a movie to keep my brain occupied.
 
When it comes to alcohol my first drink is the "one to many", because after that first one I just can't stop so the best for me is to not drink at all which is not easy for me. Even if I try not to drink I fail 99% of the time and await the inevitable binge that awaits me. I wonder whence that unexplainable feeling comes,don't know if anyone knows what I'm talking about,it's that feeling of "I want to get drunk" and if I don't get drunk I don't feel normal,something like that. It's hard to explain...
 
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^^ Mate I hear ya. I was going really well last week with cravings, in that I hardly had much in the way of cravings when I was abstaining from alcohol. Last night I went out with my 2 best mates and I KNEW there was no way out of it without having a few drinks. I'm proud of myself though because I didn't drink nearly as much as I normally would. But today I am having some fucking gnarly cravings and have had to kwell my angst with some codeine.

michael how long was it since your previous drink(s) before those beers the other night?
 
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...Hmmm...just went the first 36 hours without any alcohol likely since 03/2010.

Side effects seem to include a much stronger desire for employment.
 
That's great to hear hun! Haven't seen you around here for a while :) Good job on being sober. Do you have plans to continue with sobriety?
 
ruined it - after over a month with no alcohol I started drinking again - Im such a fucking moron :(
 
Well, in this location it's gonna be until noon before it's even a possibility, so at least another five hours! You all know how it goes though, that long drunk that creates a million problems, lasts a year, creates two problems to branch off each of those, lasts another year.

I hit my bottom again about two months ago and am trying to salvage a relationship that did one of those 'She Cheats'>'Open Relationship or Pack my Bags'>'Get Laid'>'She Gets Absurdly Jealous/Hypocritical/Manic-Depressive/Strung Out' situations. It was pretty hard to not drink, as it was the only way to feel any emotions for a while and my social network was flayed as this occurred immediately after we moved out to another region together.

The surprising thing is, aside from one day tapering down from about 10-12 units a day to 3, no physical withdrawal effects are present. Was even gifted with a small alprazolam by a particularly life-saving warm individual and haven't even needed it yet. A little sleeplessness, duh, but not even a shake. That combined with a quick 4>2mg buprenorphine decrease just a few days ago is making me a bit worried that I'm already dead via seizure.

Then again, if that's the case you probably aren't reading this anyway! =D

Wooger, chin up my friend, eat a wooger from your nose as punishment and try another month if you so desire.
 
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