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Methoxetamine - Tell Us More

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ahah, good plan!

*runs off to email the Sun & the Daily Mail about this new killer drug* ;)

sorry... back to serious discussion.
 
Hey I called it meowxy ages ago get with the programme :p

Personally I've found methoxetamine to be different from ketamine, so couldn't compare it, but yeh it's all fruit I suppose and ymmv as the say on the internet!

I like my ketamine, but I like this for the differences, it feels less "techno" more soothing n' soft, even the visuals are unalike for me and at my last higher dose I did drop of the edge and went soaring away into the etherneverlandplace :D

That soft edge of it for me is what's so nice, being hugged away in a bubble of warmth and contentment - nothing is a worry.

My apologies for comparing it to oranges and apples - I'm probably just fretting about folks coming in to EADD to read up on it, new to it and the site, thinking its a ket substitute. For me anyway it isn't. And it's a fairly new RC now gaining a lot of attention.

It's maybe like saying md and things like M1 mephedrone are like cheeses - some a ripe heady stilton others a mild philly....ok I'll stop with the food n' drug analogies now :o
 
MXE is like bungee jumping off the Eiffel Tower in a clown's costume, but ketamine is like trying to fit wheels to a tomato.

i trust that this finally settles the situation. ;)
 
What happens when wraps pf Mket MINX MXE SEMTEX SmackKet ( i made that up) or whatever you wanna call it starts getting passed around at parties /festivals etc when people are not so informed or are more inclined to take risks . ? Is smackKet so strong ,weight for weight .so people who would normally take K take a similar amount and may get more than they bargained for perhaps getting themselves in a situation they wished they had not? I can def see sitations where someone is offered line of MXE at party thinking it was same as K , do a big line then ...... full on experience / possible bad sitation....

OR

are the apples and oranges close enough in potency for that not to be a worry?? I can certainly see a problem with MXE taking longer to work therefore premature redosing....!!
 
Makes me wonder tho, if there's any 'basis' to it all or if its just sensation? Like alcohol/opiates. Im all for transhumanisation but to what end?
 
doombadger said:
Makes me wonder tho, if there's any 'basis' to it all or if its just sensation? Like alcohol/opiates. Im all for transhumanisation but to what end?
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Quite - one tends to get those moments on dissociatives, when ideas of trans- and post-humanism seem not only appealing, but within mental and technological reach.

One view is that, in the end it is all just sensation - it's a fun park. No more or less.

I remember one experience years past where I was convinced I was sensing another person, entity, desperately trying to communicate, singing snatches of words, turning the hyperspace dimensional fields of force, trying to reach out to touch this infinitely exciting new, unknown other.

After a long struggle, at the peak of the experience I finally turned the corner, found the right hole in the space-time grid I was sliding through, found the correct meshing of body part to environment to produce communication... to discover that this other entity was in fact, myself. Like an animal confused by its reflection in a mirror, I had been chasing my own tail the whole time.
 
you brain cant defy the laws of physics!

Actually I was watching something the other day about epilectics having intense religious experiences because of a certain part of the brain becoming more active. so im guessing alot of psychadelic drugs have the capability to activate that part of the brain that deals with supernatural beliefs, hence all the common themes of 'alien' 'speaking to god' erm 'gnomes' etc in more traditional psychadelics. I guess disosiatives have the whole 'trans-dimensional' thing because of combination of that part of the brain being activated and the fact that you are being totally pulled away from the meaning of your surroundings.

edit - bit OT now but heres an abstract I found on the subject

"A group of neuroscientists at the University of California at San Diego has identified a region of the human brain that appears to be linked to thoughts of spiritual matters and prayer. Their findings tentatively suggest that we as a species are genetically programmed to believe in God.

The researchers came upon these cerebral revelations in the course of studying the brain patterns of certain people with epilepsy. Epileptics who suffer a particular type of seizure are often intensely religious, and are known to report an unusual number of spiritually-oriented visions and obsessions. Measurements of electrical activity in the brains of test subjects indicated a specific neural center in the temporal lobe that flared up at times when the subjects thought about God. This same area was also a common focal point overloaded with electrical discharges during their epileptic seizures."
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specialspack said:
One view is that, in the end it is all just sensation - it's a fun park. No more or less.
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To a large extent this is the view I take. There is no meaning. The meaning of life is an entirely human construct. I'm willing to bet horses don't stand around in fields all day wondering why (they've been fooled into thinking) they are the centre of some grand plan.

I remember one experience years past where I was convinced I was sensing another person, entity, desperately trying to communicate, singing snatches of words, turning the hyperspace dimensional fields of force, trying to reach out to touch this infinitely exciting new, unknown other.

After a long struggle, at the peak of the experience I finally turned the corner, found the right hole in the space-time grid I was sliding through, found the correct meshing of body part to environment to produce communication... to discover that this other entity was in fact, myself. Like an animal confused by its reflection in a mirror, I had been chasing my own tail the whole time.
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This is very different to my k-hole experiences. I've never once presumed (in a deep k-hole) that I am in charge of my own destiny in any way for those 45 minutes. Rather it has always felt like being shown around. In a disembodied kinda way.
 
Well well well....what just dropped through my letterbox....

As for temporal lobe siezures, I am pretty sure I have experienced one.

Tapering off lorazepam way too fast, brought on visual micropsia, a very realistic, intense stench of pyridine, and religiose visual/sensory 'hallucinations'/experiences.

And I am NOT the religious type, far, far, far from it.

Anyhow...bugger god, bugger him sideways with a broken bottle...lets go find me some gnomes=D
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
This is very different to my k-hole experiences. I've never once presumed (in a deep k-hole) that I am in charge of my own destiny in any way for those 45 minutes. Rather it has always felt like being shown around. In a disembodied kinda way.
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This was an unusual one for me. It was quite jarring precisely because I'm used to being "shown around" by forces unknown. I didn't feel in charge of my own destiny really, I was afloat in confusion and trying to fail about and communicate.

But to discover that all along, that the forces showing me around were in fact "me", whilst still deeply under the influence, was very profound - and hilarious. I remember almost laughing at the fact the awe-inspiring experience was reduced to a solipsistic game.

The psychedelic experience is produced by your mind, so of course the feeling of an other presence, or of something else in charge can only come from within your mind - though not necessarily a part of your normal conscious mind. I believe that experiences of "entities" and cosmic others are simply parts of your brain trying to talk to other parts.

(I must stress that reporting back on strong dissociative experiences is very much like reporting back on a dream - the mind, returning to normal consciousness attempts to build a narrative around the experiences that happened, which is never the full truth of the experience).
 
Can't disagree with the sense of any of that.

reporting back on strong dissociative experiences is very much like reporting back on a dream - the mind, returning to normal consciousness attempts to build a narrative around the experiences that happened, which is never the full truth of the experience
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Aye. The language of altered consciousness just doesn't translate to our logically-framed normal waking awareness.
 
I actually can't wait to try this, sounds by far the best RC at the moment for what I'm looking for. I like the positive feeling for days I get after doing some bumps of K & going into your own dimension where you are just the centre of it all. Doesn't sound like any K replacement (I fucking love K) but the even more positive feeling some have described sounds well worth investigating! %)
 
Wow that was one intense experience last night. I still havn't slept. Not a stim enforced awake, just more- bah i dunno, im just chilling with a 4 pack of guinness. Definitely not trying to make sense of it all lol.

Remember that sentence seemed to take a year to write. Shortly after I lay down. Incredible, terrifying, awe inspiring. Words are completely inadequate to convey what happened. It was my 4th time taking, i approx took 175mg sublingual in 4 doses, 50, 25, 25 75- fairly accurate.

Dont know if anyone has seen the fremont experience in las vegas, well it was like a badly tuned medium wave radio in comparison.

Completely 3d, immersive- actually stared and fell into pits of hell, actually took off into outer space, toured my own cellular system. Quite, quite insane. Felt I could- not control it- but kind of steer it, provided i didn't resist anything. Some utterly incredibly profound realizations, not as comfortable as it may sound. Remember wishing intensely I could record my mind. 'Hallucinations' every bit as strong as micro dot lsd tablets, but more internalised. No where near as ego shattering.

Stirred not shaken today. Hope I don't dream anything from it. Will take a couple of zoplicone round 7, hopefully snooze of the residue. A eye opening experience. Positive. Takes a degree of fortitude to hold your nerve. Wouldn't like to go that deep on anything like regular basis. Actually really wont push it that far again for a while. Need to be humble infront of this alter, theres a underlying sense that it could actually snap you with the deftest of touches should it so desire.

Some trip!
 
lol, way to shell shocked to be rattling of that level of guff tbh! Best thing is just to drink these last 2 tins an light the fire :)
 
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I think it's a bit shit seeing various people around the place jumping on the 'ketamine-replacement' bandwaggon with this stuff, kinda irresponsible as it's not really that similar and I would heed doombadger and others' words as to the powerfulness of this chemical.

It's one i've been meaning to try again actually, but even doing a riklet-dose it really hit me quite hard, was pretty wonky and euphoric zooming through my mind and life at only about 10mg sublingual (plus a bit snorted) or something. Seems most people need more than that, but unless you have any sort of proper ketamine tolerance, this drug seems to hit pretty hard in its effects and realisations; i'm still feeling some of the insight and effects from my 'trip' on it a few months ago really.

Not really a drug I would recommend taking out to snort in toilets at shit clubs for a few wonky laughs actually hah.
 
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