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Lysergamides The Big & Dandy Non-LSD Ergoloids Blotter Thread

Spacemonkey5000 said:
Also at boom festival there is a tent where you can can test your drugs, and almost everything sold as lsd was ineed lsd.

Tolerance is a bitch...
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Tested how?

Likely with Ehrlich's reagent. If you had read this thread, or done any research at all on the subject, you would be aware that that does not differentiate other complex ergoloids.

The only thing known that can differentiate these compounds is a GC/MS, and I doubt ther was a GC/MS tent at the festival :|
 
Well, I stand corrected then. They used TLC. Very interesting. Apologies for taking a dismissive tone about Ehrlich's, you know what they say about assumptions hehe ... Now, whether TLC would be specific enough to differentiate between the compounds in question, I honestly do not know, perhaps someone more chemically astute than I can speculate on that.

In any event as I've stated I believe that most of the "LSD" on the market is genuine LSD, but some significant minority is definitely not... There is proof positive of that, supra. I wonder if any of this showed up at that festival test site at all... Geographically i would guess yes, but who really knows...
 
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Maybe we should go ask the guys in ADD if there precursors to these drugs are cheaper / easier to obtain and if the process is easier / cheaper.
 
They are. This thread might stimulate some interesting discussion over at ADD though... Mods? (maybe one of you guys could change the title too? Lol it's bothering me)
 
SomeKindaLove said:
Well, I stand corrected then. They used TLC. Very interesting. Apologies for taking a dismissive tone about Ehrlich's, you know what they say about assumptions hehe ... Now, whether TLC would be specific enough to differentiate between the compounds in question, I honestly do not know, perhaps someone more chemically astute than I can speculate on that.

In any event as I've stated I believe that most of the "LSD" on the market is genuine LSD, but some significant minority is definitely not... There is proof positive of that, supra. I wonder if any of this showed up at that festival test site at all... Geographically i would guess yes, but who really knows...
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Since most of the acid at festivals like this usually are from a few of the same batches i doubt there was any huge numbers of fake acid here,

How do i know this? well a week at that place and the 100 or so people who tried to sell me acid had 1 of three different blotters or dots.
 
^very good point. This is also the case in festivals around here; dunno why I didn't think of it... The market at one festival ia unlikely to be representative of the market as a whole...
 
The last time i heard about fake acid in my country was some Ohm blotters with DOX,

This was about 3years ago, before that there was some bromo dragonfly blotters that actually killed a few guys:X

So 2 batches in 10 years is what i can confirm in sweden, although the bromo one was preety big and were sold at raves for almost a year.
 
Just something I heard about the bitter taste. I heard that blotters are treated with something bitter just for the reason to make them taste of something... Basically to suggest to badly informed users or noobs who don't know anything about what they are taking that they are actually taking something.

I don't have any proof or sources for that, I just heard it from someone who (in my point of view) has more experience with it... Not in taking - but he used to make money with it.
What do you think?
 
See, the thing about these "fake blotters" is most people wouldn't ever know ... If you got a DOx or, even worse, a d-fly, you'd definitely know (eep!) so in that sense, its an improvement ...
 
DwayneHoover said:
And I can see it happening without anyone ending up on a meathook. Cook tells "Triad":

You know, for X% less I can make you something very clean, so close no one will be sure its any different, end users will love, and will test positive on ergoloid test kits. What do you think?​
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Well according to the first poster on this thread you'd have to add "And it ends after 4 hours". Which means anyone with even the foggiest notion of what LSD is would know it wasn't LSD in a million years.

So our friends in the Yakuza would either say

1) Ok, I give you tenth price of what I give you for LSD.

or

2) Ok, Lets sell it as "the LSD that lasts as long as mushrooms" and sell it for 3 times the price of LSD.

I just worry that we're starting another urban myth. For the last 45 years whenever anyone has had a "dirty" trip or "It didn't feel like LSD" it's been down to the strychnine. 10 years ago I used to tell people there was no strychnine in LSD and they'd go "Don't be fucking stupid dude, I know the difference between strychnine and LSD".

Now it's not going to be strychnine, it's going to be "non-LSD ergoloids". I just urge caution before we instantly assume that every teenager who isn't satisfied with his LSD trip can state without fear of contradiction that "It must've been a different LSD".
 
SomeKindaLove said:
See, the thing about these "fake blotters" is most people wouldn't ever know ... If you got a DOx or, even worse, a d-fly, you'd definitely know (eep!) so in that sense, its an improvement ...
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How many of the fake blotters give trips just like LSD and how many of them end after 4 hours SKL? Is it easier to make the ones where the trip ends after 4 hours than the ones that are like LSD?

The trouble I'm having believeing it is I've taken LSD one weekend when the weather's been cloudy and I've been working hard all week and got nothing but a headache and hardly any psychedelic effects at all. Then I've taken the same stuff the week after when it's been sunny and I've been a different mindset and had the most psychedelic experience of my life. If that hadn't happened to me countless times I'd be saying "I've had non-LSD ergoloids too".
 
None of the compounds I mention has a four hour duration. slightly shorter than L, but more in the LSD range. They are not (much) easier to make, but can be made attracting less attention ... But I've said all of that before in this thread. I'm not saying I agree with everything the OP said, I'm presenting something else all together that has come to light in the past year that is still just starting to become known in the community ...

That is, most significantly, I have provided a GC/MS which proves that these things exist and have circulated, so I am having trouble seeing why people have trouble accepting that...
 
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SomeKindaLove said:
Well, I stand corrected then. They used TLC. Very interesting. Apologies for taking a dismissive tone about Ehrlich's, you know what they say about assumptions hehe ... Now, whether TLC would be specific enough to differentiate between the compounds in question, I honestly do not know, perhaps someone more chemically astute than I can speculate on that.

In any event as I've stated I believe that most of the "LSD" on the market is genuine LSD, but some significant minority is definitely not... There is proof positive of that, supra. I wonder if any of this showed up at that festival test site at all... Geographically i would guess yes, but who really knows...
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The folks that do the tests at Boom are from energy control, which i mentioned before... they do TLC at festivals etc, but they have a lab and do GC on any sample that is somewhat suspicious and like i said they have not reported any lsd analogues on blotter yet, (to the best of my knowledge... didn't manage to write them an email yet as i'll have to write in spanish and it'll take a minute of spare time and concentration to do so...)

but they not only offer their services at festivals but come to most spanish cities once a month, it's a really great institution and even is supported by the state...

f.e. i know the last mdma chrystal i had was really pure mdma with 82% and the remaining 18% were unreacted precursors, thanks to energy control... i really hope the rest of europe (world) picks up on this strategy of harm-prevention...

and apart from that, like i said, in the Netherlandfs it is also possible to get your lsd tested and they even tell you the mcg of a hit, and i have never heard of something other than lsd found there on blotter as well, only bunk or weak hits...

so it can't be that widespread! though i'd really like to taste such an analogue knowingly, sounds good as well!

But i feel Ismene, we should be careful not to start a new urban myth... these rumours spread far and wide, especially with something elusive as lsd...
 
I have no real idea what sort of market share this stuff has, probably not that huge ... But it definitely went around in decent quantity for a while there starting a few years ago ad probably still does. Id guess it's only one group of people making it but that's pure speculation and as we know one group of people can put out a lot of L.

But no urban myth here. This stuff is real. The "LSD conspiracy" of th OP is just some craziness someone came up with on acid ...albeit starting, as much craziness does, with a grain of reality. A lot of people come up with various explanations of why the L of today isn't what it used to be, see the famous article who's author escapes me at the moment about L in the 60s vs today ... Also a bunchpf b.s., rooted in changes in the user, not in the drug.

... None of which has anything to do with the compounds I am talking about. Different, and far more interesting,phenomenon.
 
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I can't find it now, but it seems like i remember Nick Sand talking about something along these lines a while back, so who knows how much LSx has made the rounds.
 
There were a lot of rumors and speculation about a batch of lysergic acid methylisopropylamide locally in late 2009, but nothing conclusive.
 
Morpholide too, but I never saw anything definitive. And a few others. I think its clear this has been happening for a while, but now we have actual evidence to support....
 
I want to know whats on my tabs but there are likely only dozens maybe only a hundred people in the world who would truely know what in saturated on any batch. Down the line we just don't know.

the one print that a friend accused of being "not LSD" has always been my gold stanard for dosing and LSD....i'm not sure i'll believe anyone until I meet the chemist
 
This would be so much easier to figure out if there were more opportunities for testing. I really wish there were more reasonable laws regarding testing of illicit substances.

I also wonder if any of these are more/less anxiogenic than LSD. If less, and someone has a really fun trip on an LSx early in their LSD career, they could well have a misconception of LSD's effects, leading them to claim actual LSD is something else. I've bought tons of LSD over the years, and only once did i get a DOx, and the variations in the rest up my trips i'd always just chalked up to the vagaries of LSD experience, but sometimes the varying durations and other more objective measures made me wonder about such things.
 
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