Shroom Smoothie?

[delta_9]

You misunderstand.

I speak only of the G protein-coupled psychoactive receptor sites with which psychedelic and other drugs interact.

I care nothing about what OJ does to taste buds.

And yes of course sugar is 'brain fuel' it's calories. You're grasping at straws that aren't even there.

 

[greenmeanies]

sorry, i thought my "just kidding" and :D would be enough to show that i was not seriously considering that orange juice is psychoactive in the way that psilocin is psychoactive. but i DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU to debate the positively mood-enhancing properties that a glass of fresh squeezed citrus can have on the mind of a +++ person who is SEEING TASTES and SMELLING MUSIC

 

[In_A_Transit]

I like to use yogourt to eat mushies with. turn mushrooms into dust, put into some mush dust in soem kind of delicious yogourt with lots of chunks in it, and VOILA ! Couldn't be any easier.

Never thought about putting them in yogurt! Thank you!

 

[delta_9]

sorry, i thought my "just kidding" and :D would be enough to show that i was not seriously considering that orange juice is psychoactive in the way that psilocin is psychoactive. but i DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU to debate the positively mood-enhancing properties that a glass of fresh squeezed citrus can have on the mind of a +++ person who is SEEING TASTES and SMELLING MUSIC

My apologies. I can sometimes be too....obtuse

 

[Leftley]

its meant to be a glass of lemon juice if you want to make your mushrooms stronger.
not the soft flavourful kind. the raw kind used in cooking. verrry citrusy and acidic.

orange juice is only used on shroom trips as the vitamin C takes the edge off a bit if someone feels a bit too fucked.
relaxes them a bit.
most effective ROA is eating them.

never heard of people plugging, injecting, or snorting shrooms.
people sometimes smoke them however this does NOTHING and if anything is a good way to get fungal spores in your lungs.
not nice.

i use that raw kind for lemonade when i have no lemons, its still yummy imo, but then again.. i eat lemons like apples.

yeah, i tried smoking shrooms once, three days later, bronchitus.>.<

 

[pharmakos]

drinking orange juice will change the pH of one's stomach. how much it will change depends on a lot of factors... but certain enzymes work differently and at different speeds depending on your guts' pH. IDK if this is what causes orange juice to change a shroom trip or not,

i do know that the brain needs fuel (food/beverage) in order to go through the metabolic processes that cause a "trip"

and to get things back on topic--a shroom smoothie should work, but you i would worry about proper absorption. my intuition tells me that if the smoothie is too thick then the psilocin/psilocybin won't absorb very quickly at all.

 

[delta_9]

drinking orange juice will change the pH of one's stomach. how much it will change it depends on a lot of factors...

It will depend on only 1 factor, the relative acidity of the stomach's current contents.(Which is of course what foods have been consumed and not yet fully digested and excreted)

The relative pH of the common acids found in a glass of orange juice(citric, malic, benzoic, succinate, and tartaric acid to be specific) is roughly 2.8

Stomach(gastric/hydrochloric) acid, on the other hand, has a pH of between 1-1.5 depending on diet.

So yes, on an empty stomach an 8 oz. glass of OJ will lower the pH of the stomach very slighty(note - slightly), so if consuming orange juice with mushrooms together, especially if you have eaten in the past few hours, expect no change at all.

i do know that the brain needs fuel (food/beverage) in order to go through the metabolic processes that cause a "trip"

Yes of course the body needs calories but what does this have to do with anything? A person who is literally starving to death, as in their own body is starting to use itself as fuel, is not going to be eating mushrooms

 

[pharmakos]

wow i hate little internet dicksize brain battles like this, but i guess i gotta defend myself.

okay, you didn't really explain anything factual about the effects of OJ on digestive pH. in fact i think you probably don't even understand the pH scale properly. its a logarithmic scale, so a change of 1pH higher is actually a 10x change.

and as for the second point of that you replied to... the process is a lot more complicated than your body simply burning calories to trip. i personally have noticed that if i fast for awhile, then take a psychedelic, then eat a meal an hour or two later, the meal will help the trip "kick in." its hardly proof, i know, but ya don't have to be so skeptical sir.

 

[delta_9]

in fact i think you probably don't even understand the pH scale properly

Dude I took chem 101 like 5 years ago get off my back. I'm too tired for this kinda stuff right now, I'm not about to argue with you about the pH scale.

Check my posts if you want I know my chemistry/pharmacology In fact I've only spent the last 5 years studying biochemistry and pharmacology. 8) My rep here is the last thing that needs defending.

to you're second part yes of course it's more complex but the reason I said something so silly is because bringing up issue of the brain needing "fuel" to do ANYTHING is in the first place silly. It's like saying "the sky is blue" It's common knowledge that no sane person could deny, hence why bring it up? That was my point.

Apologies for any confusion.

I'll be on tomorrow but it's bed time for me now

s all around

 

[Solipsis]

I think you'll find that psilocybin is converted to psilocin in the stomach by the action of an enzyme, not an acid.

That may be true so perhaps it's not that a conversion takes place...

But I think it makes for a more readily absorbable environment, in the 'solution' the alkaloids are probably more in ionized / protonated form which may pass through the stomach lining more easily.

Not sure though. But I tried it the 2nd and 3rd time I ever shroomed and I had little expectations because the point was rather to make fresh ones more easy to ingest... within 5 minutes I had strong OEVs and when the peak came I had the most intense ego death on my life for hours on end.

That potentiation was a huge surprise for me. And I don't think I am the only one to report success nor would I ascribe it to some vague effect of ascorbic acid has on its own or to placebo. You can never rule it out but I was not aware that it would make such a difference before it did.

By the way I agree that the smoothie shouldn't be so thick that it is heavy to digest. In fact orange juice or multivitamin / tropical multi-fruit juice is fine as the only other ingredient. It's not very tasty with fresh shrooms, if you want tasty the only thing that seems really okay to me is making a nice soup and dumping in chopped up pieces of shroom (though probably best to wait until the soup cooled off a little), mushroom soup is okay but it may contain a lot of starch making it again pretty thick. Watery is better. Just a random instant soup like beef works.

 

[pharmakos]

Dude I took chem 101 like 5 years ago get off my back. I'm too tired for this kinda stuff right now, I'm not about to argue with you about the pH scale.

I still have no idea what you were trying to say in the first post of yours that I replied to then. Perhaps it is ignorance on my part, but just stating the pHs of gastric acid and OJ didn't really explain anything. I am not as versed in this subject matter as you are, but I am fairly sure that you would have to pull out some pretty dense reference material in order to prove either way that my "slight-pH-change" theory is true or false.

I would do the research myself but I've never made it past sophomore classes and don't really have the know-how to do that kind of research.

It was food for thought that I put out for others to mentally masticate, and you just spit it out right away. =p

Check my posts if you want I know my chemistry/pharmacology In fact I've only spent the last 5 years studying biochemistry and pharmacology. 8) My rep here is the last thing that needs defending.

Yup I've been on BL for years, I'm familiar with your positive reputation. That doesn't mean that you actually contributed anything useful with that first post.

to you're second part yes of course it's more complex but the reason I said something so silly is because bringing up issue of the brain needing "fuel" to do ANYTHING is in the first place silly. It's like saying "the sky is blue" It's common knowledge that no sane person could deny, hence why bring it up? That was my point.

1. not everyone here is sane
2. lots of people emaciate themselves for days whilst using drugs of any sort
3. reminding people to eat is thus pretty damn important sometimes

and yeah, lots of s around for sure. My post before this sounded passive-agressive I know, but yours before that could've been taken as being pretty damn passive-agressive as well.

 

[delta_9]

but just stating the pHs of gastric acid and OJ didn't really explain anything

The reason I listed relative pHs was to set up for my next point, which is that when you introduce a weaker acid(OJ) into a much more powerful acid(stomach acid), you will see only a very slight drop in pH. So for starters we never even disagreed about anything. You said drinking OJ will change the stomach's pH and I fully agree with you.

Once again I am sorry if there was any confusion at all.

 

[pharmakos]

The reason I listed relative pHs was to set up for my next point, which is that when you introduce a weaker acid(OJ) into a much more powerful acid(stomach acid), you will see only a very slight drop in pH. So for starters we never even disagreed about anything. You said drinking OJ will change the stomach's pH and I fully agree with you.

Once again I am sorry if there was any confusion at all.

yeah looking back now i see that i overreacted. i've been trying to break a multiple-times-a-week dxm habit (quit for the new year), but a close friend attempted suicide monday and is in the ICU. i ended up dosing last night and i suppose i was a little belligerent. my apologies delta.

p.s. i still stand by my point about OJ kicking in a trip when one has spent awhile fasting before dosing. this perhaps is only noticeable when taking smallish doses.

 

[delta_9]

No apologies necessary friend We all have our bad days.

I might have sounded like I was pretty pissed but really I was just sleepy

I'm sorry to hear about your friend I hope he/she is ok.

s