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oh no!! the magic??

nanoshot said:
I been rollin every weekend for the last 3 years straight, without missing a weekend. The magic dissappeared. Haven't done it in 4 months untill last weekend and it still wasn't that great. I heard it takes a solid year off to return to normal to feel the magic again.
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Do you mean it still wasn't that great (and there were still good effects), or there were absolutely ZERO good effects? I mean like absolutely zero euphoria, you just felt like you were on an amphetamine high minus any type of happy or good feelings? That's what it's like to lose the magic. Losing the magic isn't like you're gaining a tolerance and the good effects are reduced,... it is you get ZERO good effects from it.

And even if you take a long gap, those good effects do not return. That's what it is to 'lose the magic'.

I've 'lost the magic' (I really hate using that phrase), but basically when I take mdma I get an amphetamine high, but NO euphoria or nice feelings whatsoever. I take good mdma and I just get an amphetamine high and am still in a depressed and anxious state like when I'm sober. If I take a break like a few months off, the good effects DO NOT return, the amphetamine effects are just stronger because I haven't taken mdma in a while, but still zero euphoria.

lost the magic doesn't mean:
you're simply gaining a tolerance to mdma and can still get euphoria, just not as much as before.

It does mean that you're incapable of getting any good effects, even if you take a long break from it.
 
I have been rolling for 4 years, usually once a month with a few exceptions.
What i feel now is that, whenever i roll, i dont exactly remember after how good i was feeling or how fucked up i got. So it makes me believe i didnt roll good enough.
The first two years i would always completely remember the next day how good i felt and how hard i rolled where i could almost relive the feeling....Nowdays it seems that it takes longer for a roll to hit me and it doesnt hit me like BAM like it would in the beggining, so i take my next rolls closer together than i would normally do to get out of that uncomfortable come up feeling, and then after that it's kinda like a blur. It's like i know i got fucked up and i was having fun but dont exactly remember feeling like "aaaaaahhh im rolling so hard, eyes in the back of my head, i love uuu kinda feeling". So it's like, do i not feel like that anymore when i roll or do i just not remember or appreciate that feeling anymore even if it happens??
Does this happen to anyone else?
 
It feels like a strong mood lift, but without the massive music appreciation and the feeling that everything is fucking amazing (or magic :D).
 
for me, when I "lost the magic" was when I no longer would catch myself "blowing up" i mean, I still roll, feel great, get a good bit of empathy, but not as much as previously. But I never EVER get eye wobbling spine shivering, hairs on the back of the neck sticking up blow ups from light shows , music, physical stimulus, or any other method. Its like I just roll , but dont blow up....

(Im hoping that im not too much of an old fart with my terminology of "blowing up" dont know if its actually commonly used slang anymore or not)

Those of you who know what im talking about, please help to identify what "blowing up" consists of to you so that we can try to clearly define this phenomenon
 
I've been through a selfish stage with MDMA, and have experienced so-called 'magic loss'. At that point, I was waiting a week, supplementing with 5HTP, and getting _nothing_. Except generic serotonin/dopamine release, anxiety, night terrors, and lowered energy. Not that any of that stopped the cravings for the continually renewing peak.

What worked for me, in addition to appreciating and enjoying the (_full_) refractory period, was Aniracetam, omega-3 high-dosing (we're talking a handful per night, and (during the period in which I determined that mere two-weeks breaks were not going to restore Eden), enough VitC to cause the runs, not to mention Alpha-Lipoic Acid and 5-HTP. There have been promising results with SAMe, as well. Take no chances with antioxidant protection.

And let's not rule out sleep, as well as a self-imposed abstinence from the booze and ganj. (I understand that THC and MDMA's immediate metabolites compete for the same cannabinoid receptors.

Generally, however, if the damage is extensive, then some form of "contact cleaner" may be required... L-Carnitine and one of the better-known 4 racetams (pi/ani/oxi/prami) have been known to work wonders.

IMHO, without the empathy, you may as well be doing blow or speed. Remember, it's a trigger, not a 'fuel'.

PS ..."without the massive music appreciation"...?

I'm only half-joking here, but if that's the case, then you've got bigger problems than the one in this thread, FlippingTop. :)
 
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What exactly does it feel like to lose the magic?

Put it this way, when I first started rolling, I remember this girl squeezed my hand as we held hands... I felt this powerful intense loved up feeling overwhelm my entire being. Yes, just from that mere squeeze of the hand. It's the same feeling when you fall in love with another person, but so many times more powerful. Uplifting music could even induce that "loved up" magical feeling. This was over tens years ago during my first rolls.. Just recently, I realized it's pointless to drop pills because I no longer feel that magic. For me, the main reason for rolling is that magical feeling.

At an event recently, the same thing happened: a pretty girl squeezed my hand. On the ten scale, 10 being how intense it was during my first rolls, I would rate the feeling to be at a 2. Yes it was that low on the scale. I even took time off from rolling and dropped three good pills. Yet, nothing. But I do still feel other effects. My teeth were grinding heavily. My eyes still fluttered by the lights and lasers. I could still be on another level with the music. But that "magic" quality of being on the same loved up level as everyone was just not there anymore. and to me, that's the #1 reason I drop in the first place.

when I look at all my experiences with drugs, it's like that with EVERYTHING:

Weed: My first times being stoned were incredibly intense. And this was with shitty stress weed. I NEVER experience highs as intense as the first several times. NEVER. Not even when I lay off weed for a couple of years and smoked high quality shit from the bong, the highs never matched the first times... It's the same story with ecstasy: the rolls never match up to the first times... This even applies to alcohol

Alcohol: My first times drinking hard liquor, I had amazing buzzes. Nowadays, even though I don't have much tolerance (this tolerance applies to weed too), my buzzes NEVER match up to the amazing buzzes I had when I first drank hard liquor.

I think that another huge factor is the fact that the first time experience with anything is probably the most intense (sex not included in this). The first experiences with substances, you don't know what to expect and thus you're overwhelmed. But the more you start using the substances, the less overwhelming it becomes, in fact, you start to compare the highs in the present moment to the initial overwhelming first time highs..

Anyway, I never thought it would come to this, but I'm actually done with ecstasy. I used to ask myself when I'd stop using ecstasy. I guess I finally found the answer: I stop using ecstasy when the magic is gone. And for me, I've already reached that point.
 
lost the magic already?!?!?!?

So last night me and my friends decided to take some pokeballs. i wont name them but from the pillreports they were supposed to be bomb. i had rolled 4 weeks ago. then rolled again 2 weeks after that (stupid i know). i take 5HTP so i was convinced that my roll would still be fun. anyways i take this poke and about 1hr later im feelin good. just chill, not all floorey but like an afterglow feeling. about 2hrs in i took 10mg of 2CE and my "afterglow" completely stopped and i was just getting closed eye visuals. sorry that this is such a noob/confusing post but idk how else to explain it. so my question is do you guys think ive lost the magic already? if so what drugs can i experiment with in the meantime that wont have a cross-tolerance with ecstasy

its only my 5th time rolling so i dont think thats even possible to lose the magic but who knows

i will be taking 1200mg of St. Johns Wort this week to try and up-regulate my receptors. which i heard helps people "regain" the magic. plz dont comment about how abstinence will be the only thing to help regain the magic because im not rolling again for minimum 6 weeks.

EDIT- i would stop taking 5HTP minimum 3 days before i rolled. and i forgot to add that i drink minimum 2 cups of green tea a day, take a B vitamin complex and multivitamin
 
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If you took 5htp before your roll that's why you didn't roll. 5htp supposedly has a muting affect on a roll... don't take any SJW/5HTP before next time.

If you still can't roll on a few pills give it lots of time until your next roll.
 
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Not easy to answer, maybe you needed to dose higher...or the 2C-E could also have changed the nature of the roll, although I've never tried it.

Don't obsess about losing the magic. If you are going to use MDMA then find a frequency of use that allows you enjoy each experience and minimize side-effects.
 
you dont need to take all that fancy stuff. Just relax with the rolling and take a few months break everytime in between and then you can enjoy rolling for a very long time.
 
I took the blue ghost and I know people say the pokes have K in them, but these ones def had speed as well.

I took 2 and was rushing so hard, jaw fluttering, eyes rollin into the back of my head, and felt like my whole body was in orgasm cloud 9 euphoria.

Now Im a guy who probably lost the magic a lonnnng time ago...but honestly I think it was taking a break that brought it back for me. You have to forget what ecstasy feels like in order for it to feel exciting and fresh again.

Or maybe the white ghost are weak...honestly I cant say, but from eperience 5-htp right before a roll usually dulls it for me...and 2-CE? Dunno anything about that stuff. Maybe it overpowered the E..
 
I'm sorry, but this term is thrown around wayyyyyyy too much. I find it very interesting that BearLove said that phrase doesn't exist in the UK. Every drug experience changes over time as you get familiar with it. Smoking weed isn't the same as it was is was when I first started, drinking alcohol isn't the same as when I first started, LSD and mushrooms changed over time and so did MDMA. The fact that people who are fairly new to MDMA are constantly scared that they have already lost the magic is sad. Stop worrying about how good your rolls are going to be, space them out, and you will be able to enjoy them for many years.
 
There is no such thing as "losing the magic". There is nothing magical about taking drugs. You take the drug, the active chemicals go to work, and then you're done. If you did not wait long enough after your last roll it may not be as intense as it was before because you did not give enough time for your serotonin levels to balance out again. Did I "lose the magic" with alcohol because I became a little more familiar with the feeling and don't puke and roll around on the ground like an idiot teenager anymore? No. Did I "lose the magic" with weed because i can't smoke it and then laugh at a hamburger for 15 minutes anymore? No. There's nothing magical about this.

pLur4eVer<33 said:
i had rolled 4 weeks ago. then rolled again 2 weeks after that (stupid i know).
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There's your answer. You didn't wait long enough. Looks like the "magic" (serotonin) you're missing can be explained scientifically (not magically no magicians or wizards).
 
You don't believe that "loss of magic" can be attributed to the down-regulation of serotonin receptors? Surely there has to be some physiological aspect.
 
rolling_anon said:
You don't believe that "loss of magic" can be attributed to the down-regulation of serotonin receptors? Surely there has to be some physiological aspect.
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There may be some physiological aspect, but I think the point that some are trying to make is that it is being greatly exaggerated. It seems to be an idea that has spread within certain groups of MDMA users which then makes it much more likely that they will notice all sorts of negative side effects that they interpret as losing the magic. A self-fulfilling prophecy, or whatever else you want to call it.

Neurotransmitters are not the root cause of everything; thoughts and emotions can directly alter our brain chemistry.
 
shiznik said:
There is no such thing as "losing the magic". There is nothing magical about taking drugs. You take the drug, the active chemicals go to work, and then you're done. If you did not wait long enough after your last roll it may not be as intense as it was before because you did not give enough time for your serotonin levels to balance out again. Did I "lose the magic" with alcohol because I became a little more familiar with the feeling and don't puke and roll around on the ground like an idiot teenager anymore? No. Did I "lose the magic" with weed because i can't smoke it and then laugh at a hamburger for 15 minutes anymore? No. There's nothing magical about this.



There's your answer. You didn't wait long enough. Looks like the "magic" (serotonin) you're missing can be explained scientifically (not magically no magicians or wizards).
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Geeze shiz, when i roll magical stuff happens. Brain orgasms are magical!! lighten up a bit...
 
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