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heyian2222

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Hey everybody, just wanted a few opinions about heroin and opiates in general. Im interested in knowing what your thoughts are on this. Ive been an opiate addict for the past four years. The first year i spent using perscription opiates starting with vicodin, norcos, percocets, moving up to oxy and dilaudid and the stronger ones. The last three years ive been using heroin heroin and more heroin. Ive always heard that there are some opiates that are alot stronger than even heroin such as fentynyl and hydromorphone, oxymorphone (just what ive heard, not saying that they are) ive done all of these for months at a time in the first year and was able to stop for a week or two without getting to sick, just depressed. The first time i really got dopesick was from methadone. I was using 60 mgs a day for a few months then stopped and it was horrible. After that is when i started using heroin. I have never been more dopesick in my entire life than from heroin. the withdrawels come so swiftly so fast and it just hits you like a train. Now does anyone agree that heroin is just alot stronger than almost anything and creates the worst side effects of addiction. (I also think its just the stigma around it) or when i first started using pills was i just not using long enough and was my dose just not high enough to get that sick while withdraweling. Sorry if its kind of confusing question i would appreciate it if you did your best to answer it. Im just interested in some of the many opinions other people have about using opiates and what theyre thoughts are about it. it doesnt even half to be related to my question really just share your opinion.
 
Methadone w/d's are *usually* (depending on doses of each) worse than Heroins IMO/IME.
I just thought i would say that since you said you first went through w/d's from methadone.
 
In my experience, the more potent the opiate/opioid, the worse withdrawal is. Prior to using heroin, I'd been Rx'ed almost every pharmaceutical narcotic, except methadone, and detoxed off a few of them. On a mg/mg basis, hydromorphone, oxymorphone, and fentanyl are stronger than diamorphine (heroin), and I thought the WD's from these three were much worse than heroin. Even oxycodone WD was more painful than dopesick, but that's just my opinion. Also, I've only taken methadone once or twice, and never buprenorphine, but most people tell me methadone WD is worse than dopesick, as it has a longer duration. I think that one of the reasons why some people consider heroin WD to be the worst is because the one's dosage is usually much higher than with Rx'ed opiates. Like, I was doing 1 g/day of street heroin, and I knew it was 30-40% pure, so I was IVing 300-400 mg of diamorphine per day. This is equivalent to 900-1200 mg morphine, or 115 mg hydromorphone.
 
^^Indeed. There are a few opiates who are more mg/mg powerful than heroin, but heroin is more addictive because it's basically morphine that gets into your brain faster.

On a side note, I've used lots of opiates (never done heroin, however) and the only ones I had really bad WDs off were the -codones and methadone. Morphine and hydromorphine WDs were actually easier to deal with, but everybody is different. It also greatly depends on how long you were using.

I don't wanna sound like a dick but you should use paragraphs in your posts, I'm really high right now otherwise I would have given it the TL;DR treatment. ;)
 
If you get strung out on opiates, you will get dope sick. Using any opiates habitually, every day, for a while will make you sick, from oxys to morphine to heroin to percs. Doesn't matter. The more you take, the worse the kick. Someone who shoots a bag of heroin a day might have less noticeable withdrawal than someone who sniffs 10 oxys a day.

Methadone kick is HORRIBLE when you are actually strung out on the 'done. I think it is far worse than heroin, the only good thing about the 'done is that the govt gives it to junkies on the free and legal. I still would rather pop off some smack than take the govts handouts of methadone. Heroin withdrawls can't kill you (directly--you could certainly starve yourself to death or something if you were sick enough), methadone withdrawls CAN.

Eh. My 2 cents.
 
More powerful doesn't mean more pleasurable.

Please is determined by a combination of different variables included but not limited to: which receptors it has affinity for, how strong is its affinity towards these receptors, the synergy of the receptors, how good is it against pain.

And of course
Run a study using 200 participants and morphine and 10 different opiates. Then run a ANOVA with a 200 person within subjects double blind study using morphine as an active placebo and rating pleasure on a 1-10 scale.
 
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lol i knew what you meant after i posted cuz i looked for someone with one post and found them.. i tryed to use internet humor in that post but it's kinda hard to know when someones joking around or being a dick online.
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Yeah I know what you mean with the internet humor being kinda hard to notice and all*

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^ i should start doing that lol.. ok im done derailing their thread now.. proceed with whatever was going on before i whipped out my post count and dick sized*

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In my opinion, and this is just my opinion, nothing beats oxymorphone. I love oxycodone, but its stimulant properties keep me awake and that's not always pleasurable. I really like heroin; I like how much heroin costs, and I like ripping open the wax paper bags. Hell, I have even begun to enjoy its drip. But heroin doesn't feel as clean-burning to me. The high, in my opinion, is just a bit muddier. But oxymorphone, baby, oh yes... oxymorphone hits the mark. It's a heavy, dreamy, clean-burning high, and it is simply the best high that I have experienced so far.
 
oh by the way this is kind of off topic but i dont want to start a new thread. Does anyone else get like kind of manic depressive after the first couple days of opiate withdrawel or is that just me?
 
It is quite normal to feel that way during opiate withdrawal. I usually feel depressed and then manic, however. Benzos help out with that part a lot.
 
I'd say the length and severity withdrawal is tied to three things. The potency of the opioid used, the duration of said opioid and the dose at which one stops using. I'm speaking of strictly full-agonists here too by the way.

Like HdoubleODeezy said about methadone withdrawal being worse than heroin withdrawal and likewise with the OP. Methadone w/ds are substantially shittier because of the duration of methadone itself. Methadone isn't as potent as heroin MG for MG but because of the long duration of the w/ds can be terrible. The w/d might not be as intense as heroin w/d but it can certainly suck a lot of ass. If anyone has any thoughts on this that'd be much appreciated, I myself have never gone through methadone w/d.

However, when you look at very short acting opioids like hydromorphone, people tend to have very very intense withdrawals for only a few days (~3-4) before they start to feel better.

I wouldn't classify heroin as a very short acting opiate, maybe a short to medium duration one. The withdrawals are similar to hydromorphone in that in a few days (~5-6) heroin withdrawal will taper off and you'll start to feel better.

I can't speak for this, but I imagine the worst withdrawal imaginable would come from a very high potency, very long lasting and very high dose regimen of opioid. So I can imagine that fentanyl withdrawal must be the worse you could possibly have. Assuming that you were using the patches on a daily basis prior to stopping. *shudder*
 
i think fentanyl is actually pretty short-lasting- it just comes in a long-acting formulation. also, pretty sure methadone is more potent than heroin on a mg/mg basis. no offense and pls correct me if i'm wrong
 
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