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DMT in propylene glycol E-Cigarette ?

tastethealex said:
Good idea, but quite frankly the dosage is just way too high, you would have to sit there and puff the entire contents of the liquid to get a single dose, which, if it doesn't make you nauseous first will take entirely too long to properly inhale.
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Sadly, I think you're right. I had a dream and now it's gone... :(

But what of the iolite vaporizer?.... (picture above)
Maybe it heats up too much for DMT as it's meant to vape herbs.
 
DMT vapes at 320F, which means if you really wanted to you could sprinkle ~100mg of DMT on top of a hookah and have an incredible session with a few friends.
 
iewed said:
DMT vapes at 320F, which means if you really wanted to you could sprinkle ~100mg of DMT on top of a hookah and have an incredible session with a few friends.
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320F? that's like 160C. dmt vaporises at around 60C (140F)!
 
No wonder he would need 100 mg :) Perhaps a typo although I don't understand how you would do that.
 
A hookah seems a little too uh.... big and awkward for smoking DMT. Wouldn't the DMT just seep into the flavored tobacco and take forever (30mins - 1hr) before completely vaporizing? Plus I think you would be getting different quantities in each puff.

Also, if it works, there you are in DMT space while the hot coal continues to burn your precious crystals...

The Machine is still the winner for the time being...
 
Black said:
320F? that's like 160C. dmt vaporises at around 60C (140F)!
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On wiki it says that the boiling point is 160C (Which is what I assumed was the vaporization point), it also says that the melting point is ~60C

My point about the hookah being that you would slowly consume the DMT over an hour period, which I assume would basically leave you in a mild tripping state throughout the course of the hookah session.

In theory everyone would receive about 20-25mg of DMT over 45 minutes-1 hour


It's not about reaching hyperspace or completely tripping, but enjoying a mild experience over the course of an hour
 
The Iolite would work far, far better than the average PG driven e-cig. And I would know.
 
iewed said:
On wiki it says that the boiling point is 160C (Which is what I assumed was the vaporization point), it also says that the melting point is ~60C

My point about the hookah being that you would slowly consume the DMT over an hour period, which I assume would basically leave you in a mild tripping state throughout the course of the hookah session.

In theory everyone would receive about 20-25mg of DMT over 45 minutes-1 hour


It's not about reaching hyperspace or completely tripping, but enjoying a mild experience over the course of an hour
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Have you ever done DMT before? Because 20-25 milligrams over the course of 45 minutes will leave everyone involved complete sober.
 
Opiyumphile said:
Have you ever done DMT before? Because 20-25 milligrams over the course of 45 minutes will leave everyone involved complete sober.
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I second that. Even if you do get some mild threshold buzz, you're essentially wasting precious DMT. I wouldn't even try it if I had a kilo. Imagine how much DMT just goes flying in the air from the burning hot coal on top of it.

You might as well just put some hash in there... it's a lot cheaper and easier to find, plus you'd probably get a better "buzz" if that's what you're looking for.

I'm looking more into divinatory/shamanic use of DMT so it's pretty pointless to go for that route.

Jon_Doe said:
The Iolite would work far, far better than the average PG driven e-cig. And I would know.
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Jon, how would one go about effectively vaping DMT using the iolite device?
By melting it onto plant matter like dried mint leaves?... Or is there a better way?... And how would you know? ;)
 
iewed said:
On wiki it says that the boiling point is 160C (Which is what I assumed was the vaporization point), it also says that the melting point is ~60C
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Apparently that is for the hydrochloride salt.
In ayahuasca there is probably different salts, it's thought to be mainly the tannate (salt of tannine or better said tannic acid) which boils a good bit above the boiling point of water.

For freebase what I can find is:
MP: 46C (115F)
BP: 60-80C (140-176F)
 
Visitor Q said:
Jon, how would one go about effectively vaping DMT using the iolite device?
By melting it onto plant matter like dried mint leaves?... Or is there a better way?... And how would you know? ;)
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I'm not certain what JohnDoe is referring to but as far as your question it would very easily accomplished in the same manner that Changa is made.
By dissolving the DMT freebase in a NPS of your choosing and then applying, via spray or soak, to an herb like Damiana or Mullein or marshmallow or something of the sort.
Once could also use Caapi leaves as your herbal substrate for some MAO inhibition. One could use their NPS to first extract from Rue and then, after filtering, using the now MAO saturated NPS to dissolve the DMT and then apply it to an herb.
Melting would work in the same manner but would distribute the goods as evenly and would possibly risk losing some to vaporization in the process.
 
Just a quick note, as I pass in the night.

this is an excellent method. I have used an LR306 and Ego battery one can find them by a quick search for ecig lr306 or ego ecig. VG readily absorbs plenty of 'spice' when heated a little. this blew me away, complete dosage control from foothills to skyplateau. a mixture of about 1/3 gram to 1ml was easily achieved and plenty potent.
 
arvidx said:
this is an excellent method. I have used an LR306 and Ego battery one can find them by a quick search for ecig lr306 or ego ecig. VG readily absorbs plenty of 'spice' when heated a little. this blew me away, complete dosage control from foothills to skyplateau. a mixture of about 1/3 gram to 1ml was easily achieved and plenty potent.
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You were able to breakthrough this way? How many pulls?

I'm really interested in trying this out. Has anyone had any luck with any other atomizers? Any detailed instructions for preparing the liquid?

Thanks.
 
Reviving an old thread.
I'm curious if anybody has attempted to determine the solubility of freebase DMT in pg. I'm considering throwing about .5ml PG in a glass container within a warm water bath and slowly add DMT mixing until the solution becomes over saturated.

I've read all around and the number of puffs per ml of e-juice is anywhere between 120-180 averaging 150. If it's possible to have a 1:1 ratio of dmt:solvent, the average puff would be 6.6mg. That would make blast off simple. I have a feeling that such a high solubility would be dreaming though.

This brings me to my second question. Is it safe to have a small amount of ethanol in this mixture to increase the solubility?
 
DwayneHoover said:
(this end of the cartridge is what is exposed pretty much directly to the heating element)
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The cartridge part is actually what contains the heating element. The best bet would be unscrewing the cartridge from the battery and putting the jwh right in the center hole of the cartridge (the side that connects to the battery, not the side you put your lips to) and then screwing it back on the battery. That way the material would in fact be directly on the heating element and would be the first thing to get vaped.

Chocolate-Salad said:
Reviving an old thread.
I'm curious if anybody has attempted to determine the solubility of freebase DMT in pg. I'm considering throwing about .5ml PG in a glass container within a warm water bath and slowly add DMT mixing until the solution becomes over saturated.

I've read all around and the number of puffs per ml of e-juice is anywhere between 120-180 averaging 150. If it's possible to have a 1:1 ratio of dmt:solvent, the average puff would be 6.6mg. That would make blast off simple. I have a feeling that such a high solubility would be dreaming though.

This brings me to my second question. Is it safe to have a small amount of ethanol in this mixture to increase the solubility?
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I'm pretty positive it would be impossible to get a full dose of DMT into 1-5 puffs from PG with DMT in it. You would need some sort of contraption that holds the vapor until you've milked enough to take a rip of it.
You would have to dissolve 30-50mgs of DMT into basically the equivalent of one little drop that would come out of a Visine eye dropper. I don't think it would fit and even with just the one droplet that would still be equivalent to 5-10 drags.
Some E-cig flavors do have minimal amounts of alcohol in them also, to answer your second question.


Like someone else mentioned in this thread an E-cig mod would be the best bet. More freedom and control over the voltage and things like that. Much more effective than the gas station cig-a-like looking electronic cigarettes.
There are also tanks that are made for vaping dry material. Connect an accessory like that to a mod and you may have a better chance at getting what you want from the experience. I know Atmos makes a reliable E-cig attachment chamber that works well for me to vaporize weed with. Then I unscrew it off and put back on my e-liquid nicotine tank and go back into cigarette mode.
 
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I currently have a tank on mine. But if it's somehow possible to dissolve at least 3/4 of a gram in a solution, maybe mixed ethanol and pg, then it'd be viable.
 
I was actually going to ask this question but since OP already did it for me I am thrilled to hear if it worked or not. I was thinking of buying one of these e-cigs for smoking synthetic cannabinoids only (and maybe some pcp :D) since I already quit smoking anyway.

If it works it will be a great ally to bring to festivals.
 
I could see it working for synthetic cannabinoids but I fail to see it working with DMT.
 
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