Heroin is... OK?

[verso]

Hello, everyone! Let me first say that I do not want this to come off as sounding anything at all like a blog entry. I am genuinely curious and interested into what others who have tried heroin before think of it.

I first began my love affair with pain killers about a year and a half ago, and since then I have really, really enjoyed them. Railing an Oxy (at that time the old formula, of course) or a Roxy... It was a great way to unwind after a long week.

But things have now changed, of course, with the new OC formula hitting shelves and the prices for just about everything else skyrocketing. Since then, I have thought more and more about trying heroin until last night when I, well, tried heroin. I picked up a couple of stamp bags of H that, from what my friend tells me, is some of the best she has ever come across.

Taking very, very small bumps, I began to climb higher and higher without experiencing any nausea at all, thankfully. The high was similar, I guess, to something like Opana, maybe, but I could not help thinking that I would prefer railing the Opana to this.

The H was not nearly as sedating as I thought it would be, and in fact, no matter how ridiculous this may sound, I almost felt as though I were thinking a bit clearer on H as opposed to taking something like an Opana or Roxy, that my mind was a bit less foggier than when I am taking painkillers recreationally.

I don't know, but my experience is certainly a confusing one. Maybe the H was not as "good" as it could have been? Maybe I was expecting something a lot different? The best part of my experience, I believe, was paying the price that I did. It beat the hell out of what I've been paying for pills. But the high itself was just, I don't know, not more satisfying or even equally as satisfying as some of the pills I have taken. Does this make sense? Has anyone experienced this before? Any ideas?

 

[Feste]

I've had a similar experience with H. I didn't find it all that interesting, but I do want to try it again from elsewhere just to double check it wasn't a problem with the batch (even though others seemed to like the stuff I got too).

 

[SDforever420]

Never tried H before but it makes pretty good sense. The quality of a oxy 80 is always goin to be the same. So you know how much you need to get where your goin. But a bag of H on the other hand. You never know the quality of it. Therefore you never know how much to do right away.

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

Most likely you got a bad batch. A gram of tar heroin in AZ is most likely equivalent to 320-500mg of oxycodone depending on the batch.

 

[verso]

Most likely you got a bad batch. A gram of tar heroin in AZ is most likely equivalent to 320-500mg of oxycodone depending on the batch.

I have the feeling that maybe "the rush," more prominent when heroin is taken intravenously, of course, may be what some find so appealing about it. I don't know that insufflating heroin is capable of producing that rush, and I wouldn't know how IVing heroin can compare to IVing oxycodone or oxymorphone. But, at any rate, I wasn't so much disappointed as I was dumbfounded. Heroin is a drug that has such a terrible stigma attached to it. All that comes to mind really is the Basketball Diaries and sniffing bags in the bathroom at school because of how unbelievably strong and addictive the substance supposedly is or can be.

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

I have the feeling that maybe "the rush," more prominent when heroin is taken intravenously, of course, may be what some find so appealing about it. I don't know that insufflating heroin is capable of producing that rush, and I wouldn't know how IVing heroin can compare to IVing oxycodone or oxymorphone. But, at any rate, I wasn't so much disappointed as I was dumbfounded. Heroin is a drug that has such a terrible stigma attached to it. All that comes to mind really is the Basketball Diaries and sniffing bags in the bathroom at school because of how unbelievably strong and addictive the substance supposedly is or can be.

Intravenous use is what makes its so addictive and powerful. That is how heroin is meant to be used. The BA isn't that high intranasally.

 

[verso]

Intravenous use is what makes its so addictive and powerful. That is how heroin is meant to be used. The BA isn't that high intranasally.

Heroin's intranasal BA is certainly less than IV, but I was under the impression that H could be taken into the nose and still work considerably well.

Also, and this is probably a very stupid idea but I have to go ahead and ask it anyway: Is it possible that taking painkillers recreationally and regularly could have raised my tolerance to heroin? If heroin is metabolized into morphine, then would that mean both the painkillers and heroin attach to the same receptor sites inside the brain?

 

[YellowNikes]

the pharmacology of opiates differ depending on the opiate, and it is not as simple as saying they all metabolize into morphine.
honestly i dont know that much about h(never tried it) but it is an opiate so ya its gonna feel like one and i do believe that the reason H is so famous is mainly because of its history and also cause the IV rush is supposed to be insane.

 

[monstanoodle]

Yes it can, does and will have done. You will be experiencing what is called down-regulation of your Opiate receptors (specifically your µ sub receptor).
This is partially what leads to tolerance.

If you get tar or powder that has an added compound than lowers it's vapourisation temperature (such as Caffeine) then maybe you'd like it better if you chased it?
It comes on quicker and seems to give me a more... "happy and blissful" sort of high compared to snorting.

But, like I said, here in the UK our gear is made so it's able to be smoked as well as IV'd, so if you're getting powder over in the US then you'd have to find a way to make it smokeable too.

 

[Tommyboy]

Verso, a stamp bag should feel like atleast 40mgs of oxycodone.

 

[verso]

Yes it can, does and will have done. You will be experiencing what is called down-regulation of your Opiate receptors (specifically your µ sub receptor).
This is partially what leads to tolerance.

If you get tar or powder that has an added compound than lowers it's vapourisation temperature (such as Caffeine) then maybe you'd like it better if you chased it?
It comes on quicker and seems to give me a more... "happy and blissful" sort of high compared to snorting.

But, like I said, here in the UK our gear is made so it's able to be smoked as well as IV'd, so if you're getting powder over in the US then you'd have to find a way to make it smokeable too.

Thanks for the reply! I don't know that I would be too interested in smoking it, but it's an option that I would consider more seriously than shooting it. IV-ing substances is just one road that I am not yet ready to go down.

I am planning to pick up a few more bags a little later this week. It's hard to say exactly how much one stamp bag felt like to me in its equivalency to oxycodone. It was a different feeling altogether, less like oxycodone, more like taking oxymorphone, but not exactly like oxymorphone, either.

I felt its effects relatively quickly; I would say that it hit its mark in about 8 minutes. It was strange, though. It felt less stimulating than oxycodone, but I had trouble sleeping (anxiety, maybe?) I had the pinned pupils; lights appeared brighter and warmer to me as they do whenever I take oxycodone or oxymorphone; I had the increased sense of general well-being, etc. The more tactile, touchy-feely effects felt more confined to my head than anywhere else on my body, and I had the itching but nothing at all compared to the itch I experience on oxycodone.

I think that, knowing my tolerance now and how much I can do without feeling sick, I will take the bag in one or two lines next time as opposed to taking the bag in small bumps five or six minutes apart, as I did before. Any other ideas or words of advice for me?

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

Verso, a stamp bag should feel like atleast 40mgs of oxycodone.

^ This

Heroin has a more sedating high than oxycodone. It produces a nicer nod than oxycodone. However oxycodone is more stimulating and possibly more euphoric. When I speak of heroin I am referring to IV. Heroin is well known as a powerful drug because people are talking about the IV route, not snorting or up the ass. None of that. It feels like just another prescription opiate any other route. Kind of like oxymorphone or morphine.