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arcane surrealism of calea zacatechichi

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Just recently purchased an oz of Calea from a particular shaman which i am..., finding out about it through my recently renewed interest in oneiromancy and oneirogens. I can attest that, it definitely works wonders. The doors to the dreamworld have been kicked off its hinges as I've been able to recall (and mistake for reality the next morning) about 5 long, crazy fucking dreams after ingestion.

I personally ingest it in the traditional way of tea then joint in silence.

For the tea, I've read of people making teas out of like 8-15 grams.. NO, you DO NOT NEED THAT MUCH! I use about 1g or less of it in a tea bag (chamomile mint) with 2-3 additional tea bags of chamomile mint, green tea & peach or cinnamon; this is done to obviously mask the gutwrenching bitterness of it, mint is most effective Honey + a fuckton of sugar required, the resulting brew tastes quite pleasant with only traces of the bitterness lingering. At this point one can easily gulp it down in 3 gulps max. Also, you can strain the tea a good few times before it loses its effectiveness (adding more water and reboiling the remnants) around 4-5 more times.

For the joint rightafter I just roll a faaat one using king-sized Zig Zag paper, smoke the entire thing and feel as though I'd been smoking the joint for hours. Immediately after I retire to bed where, rather than finding one position comfortable for 10~ minutes then having to toss and turn or feeling tingling sensations which snap me out of my meditation/concentration, I can lie in peace in one position with EXTREME mental clarity. The tea + joint route is far more effective than either method alone (many reports of failed attempts with calea I've read have only utilized one route) which leads me to believe there are different alkaloids active from both oral ingestion and burning. You will not be disappointed when you fall into blissful surreal realms :P

Also it is very synergistic when combined with weed and on its own when not used for sleeping purposes it is a excellent meditative aid and relaxer. I am unable to feel stressed or phased by things which normally would screw with my day and instead I am able to calmly and rationally work through things. This mental clarity and tranquil disposition last for much of the day.

The Leaf of God, for sure.
 
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Interesting. I have had a couple experiences using only the tea. I did an absolutely horrible job at masking the bitterness, and holy shit is that bitter. But it seemed to have a definite effect on the intensity and lucidity of my dreams, with the first time being the most intense dreaming I've ever had.

May have to give this a try again sometime in the future.
 
If i could have beared the taste of the tea i would have exprimented more with it, but i just couldnt bring myself to take another sip
 
Hah glad I'm not the only one that had issues with the taste, is really something...mouthwash trembles before that bitterness
 
Trying to drink Calea tea makes poppy pod tea look like Pepsi syrup.

Has anyone had experience stuffing the leaf into gelcaps, or doing an extraction with alcohol (or even acid/base)?
 
This plant has always tempted me but I've never tried. Maybe some kind of plugging would defeat the taste issues and provide the necessary delivery? Anyone tried? Plugged (or shelved, anyway) Salvia D. is known to be effective (I know they're quite different).
 
knockando said:
This plant has always tempted me but I've never tried. Maybe some kind of plugging would defeat the taste issues and provide the necessary delivery? Anyone tried? Plugged (or shelved, anyway) Salvia D. is known to be effective (I know they're quite different).
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They actually taste quite similar and are taxonomically not too distant, but far more is known about Salvia. Nobody has any idea what the active ingredients of Calea are with any certainty. Random mumblings about glycosides.

There's a bizarre Iranian study where they gave it to cats and they showed EEG activity corresponding to cat REM sleep. It's so inconclusive that there's no point looking it up really, so I won't.

I worked in the "ethno" business for a while, and almost all the supposed Calea in cultivation (non-wildcrafted) is in my opinion a completely different plant, and it follows that quite a lot of calea sold is not calea, or inactive calea. You can piece this together from reading edot and wading through all the threads of people smoking green tea to meet the Vitamin B-entity... I forget the name of the non-Calea plant, but an associate was growing it for three years before we verified it wasn't Calea. There's even a photo of it on the wikipedia article I think. It's unclear how this fake Calea became so widespread, because it barely resembled the real one.

Not intending to slag the OP of course, what he had sounds like the real Calea to me. But it's a frequently mislabeled plant with unknown actives, so it's not surprising that reports on it are so contradictory. The only thing people agree on is that it tastes like bleugh.
 
sekio said:
Trying to drink Calea tea makes poppy pod tea look like Pepsi syrup.

Has anyone had experience stuffing the leaf into gelcaps, or doing an extraction with alcohol (or even acid/base)?
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A dried aqueous extract combined with an ethanolic extract gelcapped should do the trick, but it's not "shamanic" enough for a lot of people. A lot of people require about an ounce of leaf or some ridiculous amount, which is far too much to gelcap.
 
I don't blame those who gave up on Calea because of the taste... I have to add 8 teaspoons of sugar plus 1/6th of the whole bottle of honey I have to it to make it NOT taste like a liquified ashtray; even then, it still slightly does but it's bearable. However I've found that the calea is most effective when I have not ingested any other drugs beforehand. So if I smoke some bud earlier on or if I've had a few drinks I know to skip on the calea for the night as it would just be a waste, though calea on a DXM afterglow resulted in a much more pronounced sedation, though the dreams were fuzzy.

In regards to what alkaloids are exactly present in calea, I read somewhere that it was very similar in structure to salvinorin-a? Maybe sally and cally are related somehow, which would explain why that combo gets heavily praised alot.
 
Having made a few spliffs of Calea in my time, i do rememeber relaxation and slight brightening.
 
slimvictor said:
I hated the taste, which was comparable to San Pedro, but I tried a miniscule amount and still got effects. This has reminded me of the herb, and I will probably go try another miniscule amount tonight.
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Miniscule amount in what, tea or smoked?

To everyone that did the tea route, how did you go about it? Did you just chuck some calea material into a pot of boiling water? My method is just getting a teabag (the ones with a staple and string), open it, mix in about 1g~ of calea, seal it shut, put it in and as it boils I will bring the heat down to simmer, and keep on pressing the bag against the wall of the pot, hoping that it would yield more of the actives inside.

Moreover, I don't want to even imagine what a tea consisting of half an oz of calea tastes like.. Ayahuasca and DXM are a walk in the park to ingest compared to a 1g tea...

-long-lasting shuddering...- o_O

Edit: Woke up a little while ago from the longest and most vivid flying dream I've had in too long. Last one was almost a year ago! Somehow me and my friends came to the conclusion that I had attained Superman's powers, thus leading me to soar through the sky, fire eye-lasers at target-rich enviroments (i.e. my own neighborhood) and racing my friends (they walked.. I flew :P) to the deli in order to Jedi mind-control the clerk into not selling him a pack of cigarettes, which I succeeded in doing, and I proceeded to chainsmoke the pack 8 feet above him while sitting lotus position in the air and dropping ashes upon his head. After that many barrel rolls, sky dives, mid-air meditations and Top Gun-esque antics were made, for hours...

The last thing I remember from this same dream was flying past and witnessing Eddy Murphie assuming the role of a Medieval jester and royal adviser and advising the "Queen" (who happened to be this homosexual rastafarian manager I hated) that G-strings laced with ketamine and orange peels are the secret to better dancing.

@an rud is annamh: If someone was intentionally spreading a fake product, that's a dickhead move. So far I can verify that I haven't read the forum rules, because I'm posting vendor info.

FTFY - Soli
 
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@an rud is annamh: If someone was intentionally spreading a fake product, that's a dickhead move. So far I can verify that [vendor] does sell the real deal, and I advise EVERYONE to hop on that shiet.
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I'll take your word for it (I can't comment on these things on bluelight) but most vendors who are selling the "fake" calea (really the misidentified calea) are doing it not to trick people, but because they don't know/can't tell. Unsurprising, given how reluctant most people are to test it, as both herbs are equally disgusting.
 
an rud is annamh said:
I'll take your word for it (I can't comment on these things on bluelight) but most vendors who are selling the "fake" calea (really the misidentified calea) are doing it not to trick people, but because they don't know/can't tell. Unsurprising, given how reluctant most people are to test it, as both herbs are equally disgusting.
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How does one tell them apart then? If an impostor plant is so widespread then how can I be sure what's on Google images is real? Or for that matter if the plant I'm growing is?

:{ d. }: that is a hilarious dream. Especially the Eddie Murphy part haha.
 
I'll have a look on edot for the thread in a bit. As far as the live plant goes, once you see the wikipedia article for the "plant commonly thought to be calea" whose name I don't remember, you will immediately recognise if you have that one, whereas the wikipedia article for calea zacatechici had, the last time I looked at it (I'm pretty lazy right now, ha) several different pictures, which on close inspection are different plants. It gets more confusing though if you know you don't have the "plant commonly thought to be calea", the real calea makes about 3 different kinds of leaves depending on the humidity (you'll notice this if you take them in for the winter). The "plant commonly thought to be calea" also never flowers in temperate climates.

I have both plants. One thing is for certain, the "plant commonly thought to be calea" is not as bitter as actual calea (though fresh calea isn't generally as bitter, and supposedly there's a palatable variety a la salvia)

As far as dried plants sold on the internet go, I think I'm allowed to say the bigger, very well known vendors (which are US-based) stock the correct product. Some of the smaller ones don't, and they all seem to get it from this one wholesaler who is a total nutcase.

Oddly enough this information was pretty scarce even when I understood the supply chain. It's a fairly weird industry, if you could call it one, because it's run by business-minded hippies but the mysterious chinese factories involved in the RC industry seem to be involved in some way as well. There's a lot of vendors clearly selling cannabinoid blends that swear up and down that their blends only contain herbs, and I think they believe it. Edot is full of these types, despite being a very friendly place. You will often see threads there where someone "discovers" a new active plant, and vendors cash in, and then the plant suddenly seems inactive - but I don't mean to imply that shilling is going on, just craziness of all sorts. Elemi oil is a big exception to this, of course, since it's definitely active, but I'm totally off topic now.
 
Calea is fantastic stuff for dreaming, best oneirogen I've tried. The bitter taste can be avoided by getting the concentrated tincture and putting it in gelcaps...dose is important though, too high and it makes you quite restless so its actually harder to get to sleep, then when you do the dreams are so intense that you wake up exhausted, like you've been tripping out all night! I found even just a small amount of the leaf smoked would noticeably intensify dreaming, though only if it is smoked within a few hours of going to bed. Not really any obvious effects if you smoke it and stay awake though except a very mild threshold, wonder if it is cholinergic in action or something else.
 
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