Salvia: which other substance does it remind you, if any?

[ungelesene_bettlek]

Have you tried pentazocine or any of the other benzomorphans with a fair amount of kappa agonism contributing to their activuity? Getting lost in your kitchen because you've turned through 90' - now that's confusing...

you mean that stuff is comparable with salvia? in which dosage range?

 

[EntheoDjinn]

...........................the salvia intensity can momentarily override the LSD-psilocybin experience.Is it so or the effect of salvia or the remaining psilocybin/LSD trip change at all?

I think the best warning concerning the LSD/Salvia combination can be had by reading D.M. Turner's accounts in Salvinorin: The Psychedelic Essence of Salvia Divinorum.

Scary stuff indeed.

 

[nativenick]

salvia is to drugs as the platypus is to animals imo but if i had to liken salvia to anything it would be dxm. the overall feeling of depersonalization and general tone during a high dose dxm trip was very similar to my salvia trips but even then thats a weak comparison

 

[aanallein]

level 4+ dxm trip or super high dose mushroom trip condensed into 60 seconds.


the most intense drug combination I've ever encountered by FAR has been cocaine + small amount of alcohol + Salvia divinorum in a dark room with headphones playing goa. I was in a different dimension for well over 5 hours. I still can't believe how powerful and long that combination lasts. It is utterly without parallel. I was completely unaware of reality and my ego was nonexistent for the entire duration of the trip. Sound waves were so intense as to keep me immobile the entire time.. not that I was even aware I had a physical body anway.

 

[aanallein]

It felt like a very vivid, very sudden, very ego-dissolving dream sequence.

This is exactly how I would describe it.

 

[wonderflosity]

I tried Salvia for the first time last night, and had a level 3, bordering on level 4 experience.

It is kind of like everything and nothing at the same time.
My first 10 minutes or so were full of closed eyed visuals coupled with strange body sensations of gravity bending, and being fluid rather than solid. I also sensed the presence of others, and heard their song, but only saw them as shapes and impressions rather than full out images.

The next two hours of the trip were euphoric and full of self discovery. I wound up meditating on each of my chakras, which told me stories about myself and what I need to do to honor them. I constantly felt the connection of everything in the universe and the presence of divinity. I have been in similar states before, on mushrooms, ecstasy and lsd, as well as doing an open eyed chakra meditation while stoned.


I think that people's varying reactions to salvia has a lot to do with the place they are at in their lives and in their spiritual and intellectual development.

I think that in order to have a positive experience, you have to be at peace with yourself and your life, secure with your place in the universe and have a very innate understanding that the boundaries of reality that we normally see are just an illusion. If you are not ready to let go of your boundaries, it would be a terrifying experience.

 

[hamhurricane]

salvia does not remind me of any other substance, and that why i love it so much!
If standing between two parallel mirrors and watching your reflection repeat into infinity was a substance, i would say it reminds me of that.

Salvia is one psychedelic that I have actually not tried! So I have a hard time understanding people's comments about it.

Perhaps I should try it!? I don't know why I'm waiting (waiting on salvia and mescaline for some reason). Life is strange!

I do the same thing...for conceptual/psychonautical reasons i have chosen not to take LSD. I will someday, but im glad i got 2c-t-21 out of the way first:D

 

[mad_scientist]

Salvia is incredible stuff, feels like no other recreational drug, but then thats not surprising seeing as there aren't any other commonly used drugs that are selective kappa agonists. If you got hold of some enadoline I'm sure it would feel quite similar to salvia, but would probably be horrible as the only thing that makes salvia bearable at all is how short lasting it is!

 

[France]

Salvia does not necessarily remind me of any other substance, but rather a very sudden episode of sleep paralysis with hallucinations.

 

[topzigzag]

today after hitting some 20X, i completely hallucinated a real experience where my enire room was being un-zipped, and crumbling away and it was all so incredibly real, i had no connection with reality, because the next thing i remember is stumbling back up my stairs. my friends said i literally got up and violently jumped off the loft's balcony. that's 10-12 feet. i am very lucky to have only scraped an ankle and bruised my side. they said i was constantly yelling fuck fuck what the fuck. this wasn't my first experience with 20X, but definitely the most mind fucking experience i've had yet. omfg the entire world was being taken apart by zippers..

 

[France]

It seems that 'zippers' and the world 'unzipping' are common themes among Salvia experiences...

 

[Jake1er]

i always get the feeling of being trapped in conveyor belts, each being a completely different world... hard to explain, but it felt alot like i was being zipped up into several different completely alien realities simultaneously

 

[mutnat]

If standing between two parallel mirrors and watching your reflection repeat into infinity was a substance, i would say it reminds me of that.

I like that

knives [esp.twisting ones] scissors, propellers

all attempts to describe the unreal physical symptoms

divided in two, crumpled like paper, cut in two, cloned into a paralel dimention

all attempts to describe the moment of the breakthrough

and yeah, zippers

I agree that sub-breathrough experiences are the mostupleasant, especially when the times was not right: usually you go up to the scissors and get stuck there. with breakthrough you goup or rather down left much faster and pass through the scissors.

If you got toofast you wont remember shit though...

milder doses are different and therapeytically interesting, among other things

 

[Tunnelfission]

I think a lot of people fear and respect salvia right off the bat, SO many posts begin with and extreme response and having smoked salvia a couple dozen times this makes me have a deep hardy gut laugh.

It's not a feeling/territory/trip that many people find comforting, it's alien! reminiscent of childhood perceptions of going upside down or spinning down a hill perhaps... COMPARING salvia to anything is a task my friend...

some salvia trips where I get more visuals of architecture and themes I can resemble some of the faces/artwork I see as of a Mayan origin, these visions and feelings can be compared but even the nature of the trips are quite far off from one another. A friend combined the two and lost his **** for 6 hours. there was no helping him except keeping him out of trouble, the whole while asking me direly to join him and smoke "3 full bowls of the salvia to get to this secret place of machine friends", having already ingested mushrooms I understood the seriousness of his state so I didn't bother joining him.

 

[moe.ron]

for me:

salvia is the end of the world and the only light at the end of the tunnel is that when you come down you realize you're going to live. It is not a drug, it is a near death experience inducer... It is like nothing else I have ever done, and if I am lucky I will never experience anything like it again.

 

[junkie skumbag]

well i havent tried either but from what ive read it sounds alot like DMT

 

[RhythmSpring]

In words, perhaps it sounds like DMT, but in actuality, the way they feel is totally different. The two experiences happen on completely different planes of reality.

 

[an rud is annamh]

well i havent tried either but from what ive read it sounds alot like DMT

They're both short acting, intense and plant derived, and utterly insane. That's only three things. They are alike in the same way as a bus is like a phone - they are both smaller than a whale, and have wires in them, and people pay for them.

Here's how Father Ted Crilly, in a phenomenological debate with another priest, depicted normal consciousness:

Here's how he depicted DMT

and Salvia

 

[mutnat]

I think it's only similar to DMT in timelines, durations and such - intensity included. [not done dmt]

It is not a drug, it is a near death experience inducer

that's a awesome description of a full on breakthrough, possibly bordering with amnesiac dose. Milder doses are not like this though

an rud, interesting, got any link on the debate?

 

[an rud is annamh]

I think it's only similar to DMT in timelines, durations and such - intensity included. [not done dmt]



that's a awesome description of a full on breakthrough, possibly bordering with amnesiac dose. Milder doses are not like this though

an rud, interesting, got any link on the debate?

Heh, of course it wouldn't make any sense to anyone outside the UK or Ireland, it's a wee sly reference to a television program where the original image was used. (the character shown in the picture also once described something called a spider baby - "...with the body of a spider and the mind of a baby..." something that always reminded me of salvia somehow). I doubt there are too many priests debating salvia vs. DMT.

I was kind of taking the piss but the basic point is just trying to illustrate that the two experiences are two completely different mindfucks, although I would characterise the visual component of n,n-DMT as a "colourful multi-dimensional reality, totally replacing this one" and the salvia one as "the current universe put in a blender and then put back together by aliens".

The actual feeling is impossible to describe for either. Someone said earlier on bluelight that salvia fucks around with the flow of the very basic components of consciousness... where as I found DMT is sort of overlaid on normal consciousness (you could conceivably have a very visual experience on DMT while still remembering that you had taken DMT). That's not necessarily true for high dose DMT experiences. Virtually all the experiences I had on salvia caused me to forget for at least a few seconds that I had taken anything at all.