Clonazepam effects are hard to place for me - can anyone relate?

[mr. red]

I've only done them a few times, last dose was 6mg but I really enjoyed it, although I was not in a good/social mood at all. I had to go to a family dinner and people didn't interest me in the least, although it didn't bother me much. I am a shy person naturally, so clonazepam just kind of shut me down for the most part, although 6mg with no tolerance was probably overkill. I am prescribed Ativan for sleeping and enjoy it, but it doesn't really have a tangible feeling like clonazepam.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

yer thats the truth for sure an the effects of clonazepam are one of the few that stay good over time, not many benzos can claim that.

Most benzodiazepines, if used frequently enough, will inevitably cause tachyphylaxis. No one benzodiazepine can be used compulsively without eventually destroying the allosteric sites on the GABA receptors where all benzos bind to.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

^ weird because clonazepam is twice as potent as lorazepam.
.5mg clonaz= 1mg loraz

 

[TheDankaholic]

Yeah that's crazy because I
m RX'd 1mg of Clonazepam twice a day & have as much access to Lorazepam as I could want as my step mom gets 90 2mg Ativan (Lorazepam) a month. Even with the 2:1 conversion ratio I find 1mg of Clonazepam to be better than 2mg Lorazepam unless I'm going to bed. Lorazepam is much better for sleep. I just love Klonopins all day action. You only have to dose like every 10 hours. I never thought of the comparison of Clonazepam being like Methadone is to Opiate addicts because it's so damn true. I hated having to constantly pop Xanax etc. but like my Done' I can take just one Klonopin and be good all day. For sleep though I always have and always will love Temazepam 30mg capsules. My Dr. won't write them though. I can get 4x 8mg Dilaudid a day w/60 1 mg Klonopin but I can't have Temazepam?? lol I missed the part where it was safer to give my Hydromorophone at a dose of 32mg a day and Klonopin but not Temazepam. Although I'm kind of grateful because you get a crazy benzo tolerance taking Klonopin all day and then Temazepam at night.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

I may not have considered mg conversion ratios but I know lorazepam has a profound amnesic effect for me but it still doesn't lay me flat. At least on the clonazepam I can remember what went on around me. I remember the .5 mg clonazepam AND .5 mg lorazepam still to be weak. Hence the large dosages. I think they are more for forgeting whats happened while intoxicated on benzodiazapines. The hours get fuzzy and really never happened, make time zoom by but produce practically no euphoria. Of course one loses inhibition too. Zolpidem is a much more potent and enjoyable GABA modulator, not the same, but better than benzos IMHO. More recreational.

i've gone as far as IVing zolpidem when i was scripted it and i wouldn't say it's better than benzos in any way unless you like your highs "trippy".
My usual ROA with it was insufflation and yes it burned and yes it was enjoyable, i will give you that.. but still not better than benzos. IMO.

 

[jamesBrown]

I keep reading about how clonazepam makes alot of peoples muscles relax. First of all, clonazepam is not a muscle relaxer. It is a benzo with mainly anxiolitic propeties, not hypnotic properties like temazepam(I am prescribed both). I dont think ANY benzo is actually considered a muscle relaxer...thats what soma and the like are for, they work much better at actually relaxing muscles because of the type of drug/chemical they are.
Benzos, such as clonazepam, are meant to relax you mentally, not so much physically.
Allthough I will admit that taking clonazepam to relax you and chill you out(or for whatever reason) can cause your muscles to relax as a sort of "secondary effect"......because it is relaxing your mind, and therefore, it makes it easier for your muscles to relax. Because alot of times, muscle tension is directly related to mental stress or some other sort of mental issue.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

I dont think ANY benzo is actually considered a muscle relaxer...thats what soma and the like are for, they work much better at actually relaxing muscles because of the type of drug/chemical they are.

Tetrazepam is a muscle relaxant that is a benzo..

oh yeah also.. diazepam is used as a muscle relaxant.
I don't know if you know this but benzos have 6 modes of action and they are.. sedative, hypnotic (sleep-inducing), anxiolytic (anti-anxiety), anticonvulsant, muscle relaxant and amnesic action.

nbd js

 

[benzico]

yer thats defo true cas they only mainly give out clonazepam over here to people with eplipsy.

 

[jamesBrown]

Tetrazepam is a muscle relaxant that is a benzo..

oh yeah also.. diazepam is used as a muscle relaxant.
I don't know if you know this but benzos have 6 modes of action and they are.. sedative, hypnotic (sleep-inducing), anxiolytic (anti-anxiety), anticonvulsant, muscle relaxant and amnesic action.

nbd js

I apologize

I realized that "muscle relaxant" is listed as one of the 6 modes of action for benzodiazepines and always knew that they were considered good muscle relaxers in certain scenarios but I always figured it was a secondary result of benzodiazepines strong mental relaxing effects(anxiolitic). Because if your brain is calmed, so is your entire body(usually).
I also have never read any respectable body of work that described the exact way that the chemicals that make up all the benzodiazepines supposedly responsible for "muscle relaxing"....exactly how they act on our muscles to "relax" them, and through what route on a molecular level.
Because I have never read or seen any proof that benzos actually relax muscles directly, I have always assumed that it was a result of its relaxing effects on the mind. I could very well be wrong and just not have looked into it enough and if so, please inform me otherwise. I have no problem with being mistaken and would like to know the exact truth if it turns out I was mistaken.

Its kind of like how certain medications/drugs block your nerves from sending pain signals to your brain but they dont actually kill your pain even though it seems like it...its just that the drug blocks the "sense of pain" from being sent to your brain, which is where it is actually recieved, understood, and then turned ino an actual "feel-able feeling"(couldnt think of a better way to type it). So you may think that the drug is a "paink killer" but in reality its just some type of nerve blocker.
Benzos can sometimes relax your mind to the point where any stress you had is relieved to the point that your musles dont tense up so much....making the benzo seem like its a muscle relaxer. But likeI said, this is only my opinion/or idea of how it worked. i could very well be wrong.

Someone please let me know if im mistaken. I would rather be wrong now and learn the truth, then to be wrong the rest of my life and make myself look like an idiot each time this issue comes up.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

i already told you that you're mistaken.. benzos are muscle relaxants through the same pathways as carisoprodol, meprobamate and phenprobamate.. all work on the GABA A receptors.. benzos work better for muscle relaxation better than all muscle relaxants besides the 3 i listed.. And trust me im not hating on muscle relaxants.. i love tizanidine and baclofen almost as much as i love clonazepam.
But i think your thoughts on benzos just working for muscle relaxation by relaxing your mind is just your opinion on how it works. I think it relaxes muscles through GABA receptors throughout the body and relaxing them (that's my opinion).
There so now we both have our opinions out there.
Someone else have any more ways a benzo can relax muscles? im just waiting for someone to say MAGIC.

I dont mean to sound like a dick.. but james you don't need to be right 100% of the time.. 99.9% is just as good.
I'm wrong all the time and i admit it, i don't start asking for other peoples opinions to try n make me look right..
just yesterday in the enbalming fluid thread i was mistaken on the temp in C that was absolute 0.. i thought 0 degrees but it turns out that is for water, not everything. And learned that some things boil at temps BELOW the freezing temp of water (which i thought was pretty cool). So you can learn things when you seek different answers than just what you want to be right.

There are GABA receptors throughout the whole body just like there are opiate receptors.. so if benzos agonize/antagonize the receptors in the muscle they can control muscle tone and reduce spaticity (SP?).
Just like how opiates work in your digestive system, it constipates you (you should know that one) but you don't feel it actually working on those receptors. Only the receptors in your brain that make you feel good. Same with benzos, they relax muscles but you don't actually get any feeling from the receptors themselves unless you move say, your leg, and you realize oh my muscles are relaxed.. but you CAN feel the benzos in your brain giving you a "good" feeling, this is what i think makes you think that they relax muscles by calming the mind, cuz you can feel them in your mind working but not directly in your muscles.


Again... nbd js

/rant

 

[waldo777]

I must jump in here, I've studied these types of drugs and can tell you all with 100% certainty some of the benzo's are definitely muscle relaxants, (sic?), not only because they are technically described and categorized as such, but more importantly b/c they are used as such in real life. For a fact, lorazepam (ativan) is given via IV in the hospital to stop seizures and convulsions. Midazolam is given in dental settings to relax and sedate the body without knocking the patient out, lastly, midazolam and diazepam are kept at the ready during lab experiments with mice and rats to be injected in the case of a seizure.

Yes benzo's calm the mind, but they also have a strong physical component, and this is all ignoring the fact that all drugs essentially can be said to really work on the brain and the physical effects are secondary----that's just semantics. And yes some benzo's like midazolam in the dental setting are also used for its amnesic (sic?) properties, BUT that doesn't change the fact that some benzo's ARE muscle relaxants regardless of the fact that they serve other functions as well.

Sorry, didn't mean to ramble and had no intention of being argumentative or rude if that's how it came out (which I think it may have at parts so my apologies). Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents and experiences.


ANYWAY....clonazepam takes about an hour for its full effects to be felt regardless of whether or not it is chewed, parachuted, or taken SLi---those ROAs may shave off a few minutes but that's it, its just a slow, long acting drug by its nature.